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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:48:52 PM EDT
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GREAT QUESTION!!!
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:52:58 PM EDT
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Given I have a couple of their scopes....in for info and missed drama!
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:54:42 PM EDT
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I thought it was a missing member.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:56:48 PM EDT
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He's gone from swampfox now?
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:56:59 PM EDT
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People actually buy those crappy optics?
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:57:51 PM EDT
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It seemed like when Mike was with them, they were blowing up the boards/social media...now, not so much. Were they a case of just great marketing (ie...Mike)?
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:00:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:03:16 PM EDT
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They seemed like all the other China optics. They probably work ok, and have some fancy features, but no one knows for sure yet if they are as tough as the known, tested stuff. (I realize some folks have beaten the shit out of some holosuns and they keep working. It's not the same as 20 years of war aimpoints)
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:04:22 PM EDT
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I have a bunch of their stuff and it's been great. I just bought a bunch more on the 4th sale. I have mounts, does and big scopes. All are pretty nice
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:11:56 PM EDT
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Don't know the details, but when their vendor forum disappeared alot of good discussion about their products disappeared with it
Cringe marketing but their products I've used - from dots to scopes - have been great |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:20:47 PM EDT
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Every time one of these threads pop up I post the same thing. I've got one of their Tomahawk LPVOs. It done a decent job, I don't abuse it, and its only on a range gun. Only draw back is its kinda heavy.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:24:28 PM EDT
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Didn't know they were gone.
They've been ok in range use and "try a style" optics. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:24:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seemed like when Mike was with them, they were blowing up the boards/social media...now, not so much. Were they a case of just great marketing (ie...Mike)? All the Chinese optics companies are marketing companies first imo. Poortex is at least trying to move away from that I think. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:26:10 PM EDT
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The people that crap on their optics are generally the people that don't own them and have never used them and are just going off "muh Chyna" while posting from their Chinese made phone or computer.
 Attached FileMine has been 100%, never lost zero, and the glass is crystal clear. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:26:22 PM EDT
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Duke Nukem aka the OG Tactical Wheelbarrow
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:36:21 PM EDT
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I remember reading some threads about them 2-ish years ago, seemed like people were liking them and they listened to their customers, but no experience myself. I think the market is just flooded with good options from budget to baller, also seems like most people I know are doing less buying other than ammo and even that's slowed down for a lot of people. Life is getting expensive and people's priorities shift, wouldn't be surprised if they had to deal with production/inventory issues like a lot of people had to over the last few years.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:40:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was a missing member. Me too.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Duke Nukem aka the OG Tactical Wheelbarrow  |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:47:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seemed like when Mike was with them, they were blowing up the boards/social media...now, not so much. Were they a case of just great marketing (ie...Mike)? “Great” marketing? Not really. Weird, viral internet marketing full of straight up bullshit all over boards and social media? Absolutely. I’m just glad the influencers have gone quiet. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:49:59 PM EDT
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They should use product names that aren't random nouns.
That alone would allow me to take them more seriously. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:00:22 PM EDT
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Just realized hadn’t seen their name in awhile. They were a rising company and now I wouldn’t have even remembered to check for Black Friday Sales.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:07:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The people that crap on their optics are generally the people that don't own them and have never used them and are just going off "muh Chyna" while posting from their Chinese made phone or computer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20220828_161643_jpg-2884893.JPG Mine has been 100%, never lost zero, and the glass is crystal clear. That’s just stupid. How many options are there for non Chinese phones, computers or devices? How many options are there for scopes? In general, I don’t use Chinese devices to save my life and doesn’t really matter how dependable they are. The firearm with scope, dot or what have you is a different story. Dependable “is” the number one rule. If someone says grab a rifle the shots going down, #1 has an acog and a micro T-1. #2 is a Trijicon accupoint 3x9. And yes. I do own a couple of vortex LVPO’s. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:17:33 PM EDT
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Got the red dot and the green dot, they work great.
I'd buy another. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:21:44 PM EDT
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Trash company with trash product and trash "community presence" advertising of their trash branding disappears, more news at 11. So surprise, many strange.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:26:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:30:55 PM EDT
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I had two of their Arrowhead LPVO’s I used to test different magnifications and see what Razor HD I wanted. I gotta say, I really liked them.
A touch heavy, but for the price, they were excellent. I had two of their prism optics too. I was very pleased with all 4 items. I went to Razor HD’s & Sig 5X red dots, but they were a great way to test the water. They all seemed well built & functioned properly. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:32:10 PM EDT
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Half the posts here are trashing them and yet every poster with one has only had good things to say. I have been looking at them. Everything I have read indicates a satisfied customer base. This reminds me of all the Romeo 5 hate in years past. Romeo 5s rock BTW.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:33:54 PM EDT
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Plenty of options for Chinese optics already
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Half the posts here are trashing them and yet every poster with one has only had good things to say. I have been looking at them. Everything I have read indicates a satisfied customer base. This reminds me of all the Romeo 5 hate in years past. Romeo 5s rock BTW. Romeo 5’s are great. The 5X is just fantastic since it takes a AAA battery. They’re damn near bulletproof. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:37:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Half the posts here are trashing them and yet every poster with one has only had good things to say. I have been looking at them. Everything I have read indicates a satisfied customer base. This reminds me of all the Romeo 5 hate in years past. Romeo 5s rock BTW. I know the two I have are great.  shrug. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:40:02 PM EDT
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I own four of their compact green reticle 1x scopes. Except for one on a turkey shotgun they all sit on .22's. You are simply not going to find anything better at twice the price. At the time, it was the ONLY green reticle instead of a dot available (I cannot use red dots due to eye surgery. Too much sparkly weirdness)
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:41:32 PM EDT
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I bought a "Justice" 5 months ago and it sits on my backup steel challenge gun. Glass is a touch small for me but it's otherwise been a great optic.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:43:57 PM EDT
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I don’t do gun games, maybe I’ll get my ass out there one day, but for those that do - do you see their optics in matches? What’s the info? Do they hold up to the abuse and high round count or is money better spent elsewhere?
Think the answers to those questions are relevant. ETA: A “range only” gun isn’t a good enough example. Something that’ll take gun game abuse - the bumps, bangs, and drops plus high round count is most likely good enough for daily carry. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:46:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI thought Mike was one of the people running Gideon? Not just in the CS dept. BTW, for those who don't know, Mike was also in on the ground floor of Primary Arms, before Swampfox.. So I think Gideon will do well. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:50:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's just stupid. How many options are there for non Chinese phones, computers or devices? How many options are there for scopes? In general, I don't use Chinese devices to save my life and doesn't really matter how dependable they are. The firearm with scope, dot or what have you is a different story. Dependable "is" the number one rule. If someone says grab a rifle the shots going down, #1 has an acog and a micro T-1. #2 is a Trijicon accupoint 3x9. And yes. I do own a couple of vortex LVPO's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The people that crap on their optics are generally the people that don't own them and have never used them and are just going off "muh Chyna" while posting from their Chinese made phone or computer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20220828_161643_jpg-2884893.JPG Mine has been 100%, never lost zero, and the glass is crystal clear. That's just stupid. How many options are there for non Chinese phones, computers or devices? How many options are there for scopes? In general, I don't use Chinese devices to save my life and doesn't really matter how dependable they are. The firearm with scope, dot or what have you is a different story. Dependable "is" the number one rule. If someone says grab a rifle the shots going down, #1 has an acog and a micro T-1. #2 is a Trijicon accupoint 3x9. And yes. I do own a couple of vortex LVPO's. No. It's not stupid. There are options for non China phones but you're too lazy to research them. But the fact is that YOU prefer the features and quality from the Chinese phones than from the Korean and the Taiwanese phones. There are also plenty computer hardware made in Korea and Taiwan, but you're also too lazy to research them. You would rather virtue signal scopes because it's easy for you. Stop being lazy and practice what you preach. 
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:00:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was a missing member. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:01:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Half the posts here are trashing them and yet every poster with one has only had good things to say. I have been looking at them. Everything I have read indicates a satisfied customer base. This reminds me of all the Romeo 5 hate in years past. Romeo 5s rock BTW. I had a few. I have nothing good to say. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:02:45 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a few. I have nothing good to say. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Half the posts here are trashing them and yet every poster with one has only had good things to say. I have been looking at them. Everything I have read indicates a satisfied customer base. This reminds me of all the Romeo 5 hate in years past. Romeo 5s rock BTW. I had a few. I have nothing good to say. I hope you're referring to Swamp Fox and not my perfect and indestructible Romeos. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:03:11 PM EDT
[#39]
The guys over at we like shooting advertise for them and they are pretty good about calling out crap company’s and products.
Never shot a swampfox tho |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:03:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope you're referring to Swamp Fox and not my perfect and indestructible Romeos. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Half the posts here are trashing them and yet every poster with one has only had good things to say. I have been looking at them. Everything I have read indicates a satisfied customer base. This reminds me of all the Romeo 5 hate in years past. Romeo 5s rock BTW. I had a few. I have nothing good to say. I hope you're referring to Swamp Fox and not my perfect and indestructible Romeos. Correct. I have no experience with the Romeos. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:42:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Great” marketing? Not really. Weird, viral internet marketing full of straight up bullshit all over boards and social media? Absolutely. I’m just glad the influencers have gone quiet. Wasn't this the company that sent a bunch of free shit to a unit in Afghanistan in exchange for some pictures of them mounted on duty rifles at a FOB, and then did the whole marketing shtick around it?  |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:45:57 PM EDT
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I like mine, but I'm not a Tier One Operator.
I like the green circle/dot Liberty on my AKV, but the battery life isn't as good as some others.  Attached FileThey're still putting out new stuff on their website. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. It's not stupid. There are options for non China phones but you're too lazy to research them. But the fact is that YOU prefer the features and quality from the Chinese phones than from the Korean and the Taiwanese phones. There are also plenty computer hardware made in Korea and Taiwan, but you're also too lazy to research them. You would rather virtue signal scopes because it's easy for you. Stop being lazy and practice what you preach. https://i.ibb.co/gmZphrf/IMG-1127.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The people that crap on their optics are generally the people that don't own them and have never used them and are just going off "muh Chyna" while posting from their Chinese made phone or computer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20220828_161643_jpg-2884893.JPG Mine has been 100%, never lost zero, and the glass is crystal clear. That's just stupid. How many options are there for non Chinese phones, computers or devices? How many options are there for scopes? In general, I don't use Chinese devices to save my life and doesn't really matter how dependable they are. The firearm with scope, dot or what have you is a different story. Dependable "is" the number one rule. If someone says grab a rifle the shots going down, #1 has an acog and a micro T-1. #2 is a Trijicon accupoint 3x9. And yes. I do own a couple of vortex LVPO's. No. It's not stupid. There are options for non China phones but you're too lazy to research them. But the fact is that YOU prefer the features and quality from the Chinese phones than from the Korean and the Taiwanese phones. There are also plenty computer hardware made in Korea and Taiwan, but you're also too lazy to research them. You would rather virtue signal scopes because it's easy for you. Stop being lazy and practice what you preach. https://i.ibb.co/gmZphrf/IMG-1127.jpg My made in China Samsung cost more than the domestic phones and has better specs. Comparing that situation to a China made scope when non-communist scopes of superior quality are available everywhere is just... retarded. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:49:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't this the company that sent a bunch of free shit to a unit in Afghanistan in exchange for some pictures of them mounted on duty rifles at a FOB, and then did the whole marketing shtick around it? Very well could’ve been, I do remember people mentioning seeing pics of them mounted on military combat guns. That said, I think they’re a great true entry budget level product. I wouldn’t mounted it on my duty weapon. I am considering getting another LPVO from them or Arken for my daughter’s range AR, they’re great for a use like that. Arken just released a 1-8 that advertises Japanese glass. I haven’t even watched a review on it yet, but that could be interesting. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:51:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. It's not stupid. There are options for non China phones but you're too lazy to research them. But the fact is that YOU prefer the features and quality from the Chinese phones than from the Korean and the Taiwanese phones. There are also plenty computer hardware made in Korea and Taiwan, but you're also too lazy to research them. You would rather virtue signal scopes because it's easy for you. Stop being lazy and practice what you preach. https://i.ibb.co/gmZphrf/IMG-1127.jpg Samsung doesn't have any of their phones made in China. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:52:04 PM EDT
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No issues with mine.
Don't recall how long I have had it but probably 2 years. Tough to find a micro green dot and I can't see red dots.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 12:37:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't this the company that sent a bunch of free shit to a unit in Afghanistan in exchange for some pictures of them mounted on duty rifles at a FOB, and then did the whole marketing shtick around it? Yup. Some dudes mounted them on SCARs, took them out to the HESCOs in Afghanistan and took some pictures. After that it was, “SWAMPFOX IS SOCOM APPROVED!!!!” “How durable is a SwampFox scope?” “DURABLE ENOUGH FOR FULL AUTO SOCOM SCARS!!!” “How many rounds did they actually fire?” “SWAMPFOX IS BASICALLY THE BACKBONE OF GWOT!!!!” |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 12:38:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very well could’ve been, I do remember people mentioning seeing pics of them mounted on military combat guns. That said, I think they’re a great true entry budget level product. I wouldn’t mounted it on my duty weapon. I am considering getting another LPVO from them or Arken for my daughter’s range AR, they’re great for a use like that. Arken just released a 1-8 that advertises Japanese glass. I haven’t even watched a review on it yet, but that could be interesting. #MilitaryCombatGuns |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 12:46:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The people that crap on their optics are generally the people that don't own them and have never used them and are just going off "muh Chyna" while posting from their Chinese made phone or computer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20220828_161643_jpg-2884893.JPG Mine has been 100%, never lost zero, and the glass is crystal clear. Dude, what's wrong with your feet? |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 12:55:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOmega sight looks just like the SRO. Mike better have his resume updated. |
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