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Link Posted: 2/27/2020 11:24:22 PM EST
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Guess you should move this to the EE or get a dealer icon, since in this post and one a few further below this one you keep bringing up who wants to pay.
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Do you really want me to explain it to you?  It will be a long explanation. Who is paying for this?
Guess you should move this to the EE or get a dealer icon, since in this post and one a few further below this one you keep bringing up who wants to pay.
@LawyerUP clarified a couple of postings above this one that he was joking.
Link Posted: 2/27/2020 11:49:40 PM EST
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Context clues. Read the definition.
You just want to talk shit I’m not gonna enable you
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I wish news agencies could figure their shit out.

I've read one article that states that the school resource officer in this situation was at that school all day every day and wasn't called --- he was already there.

I've read another article that states he was a school resource officer that split his time between three schools that are close together there and was at another one when the incident occurred and was called there.

So which is it?

I still maintain that I've dealt with some of the worst kids you can possibly deal with and I've never needed or wanted to put cuffs on them or call the police to put cuffs on them and take them away - especially a little six-year-old. If you can't handle a six year old then don't work with kids. I've had training in physically restraining a child with autism that would self injure and I've pulled that move ONCE on a boy who didn't have autism but was bigger than me and going after my wife, but I've never needed or wanted the police to get involved. And I homeschool every single child of school age that comes through my door so I've never had issues with a school or expected them to handle any kid in my care.

I homeschool all of them ... the ones that arrive addicted to drugs or withdrawing. The ones that are pregnant or recently had a child that was taken from them. The ones that hoard food, cut themselves, come onto adults sexually, come on to each other sexually, can't read at fifteen, damage my property, fight my kids, fight me, shove me, hit me, and more. I've ADOPTED twins who were passed around sexually by their bio family to one another and friends so often that my daughter had a hysterectomy before she was in the double digits age-wise. The boy I restrained? That's now my son, one of the twins. I know damaged kids. I know them well because I was one with a similar story to the twins. There is a right way and a wrong way to deal with damaged kids.

You can use your words to deescalate just about any situation you find yourself in. If you need to physically restrain a child from harming themselves or someone else then go for it but the little girl in that video was calm, she wasn't fighting, she wasn't threatening anyone or being bad at the time he cuffed her. She was remorseful, apologetic, agreeable and asking/begging for a second chance. At the point he cuffed her ... it wasn't required to do so. The situation seemed to have passed.

The school could have suspended her and called someone from her family to come get her. They could have put her in some sort of isolation like in school suspension for the rest of the day if no family could come get her and then suspended her out of school for several days after that. There were options available. It sounds like the school didn't want her cuffed and stuffed but the bragging officer - who had a very lengthy disciplinary history including abusing his own kid from what I've read - enjoyed being the total authority over tiny kids. Made him feel big in the trousers, I think.
This is your second post practically bragging about the abuse you’ve taken from kids. We don’t all share the same hobbies.
The cops not getting much sympathy in this thread, but the school shoved their problem onto the cop because they didn’t want to deal with her.
Excuse me, @ryann, I can assure you that the love, dedication, and investment I have made into my family and every single foster child that comes through my door is not now nor has it ever been a 'hobby.' I shared my personal experiences with children who behave poorly and act out to illustrate that handcuffing and arresting a child is NOT the answer. It is possible to deescalate a situation without utilizing anything on a cop's toolbelt when a tiny child is the one on the receiving end. But you already knew that. However, since your hobbies seem to include being as disingenuous as possible when speaking to someone who would dare challenge your point of view, I'm not surprised that you would go there about my family.
I didn’t go anywhere near your family, I just commented on your need to brag about the physical abuse you’ve so proudly experienced; I’m not supporting this cop handcuffing this kid, bit I’m also not advocating anyone be assaulted by anyone of any age.
I’ve encountered teens who have attempted to assault me, and instead of hugging them and de-escalating (whatever that means to you) I prevented an attack on myself via pain compliance.
If I want to be assaulted I’ll hire a dominatrix
I read to me that he was talking about his kids and you decide to turn the conversation sexual.  Interesting.
You read sexual into the dominatrix comment? What you should have gleaned is that if I want to be assaulted I’ll choose to be assaulted.
It read to me “look at me I’ve been assaulted” you should be willing to be assaulted too.”
You can use your words to deescalate just about any situation you find yourself in.-iteotwawki
You want him on your jury if you were the defendant in a self defense trial?
I got it from a thing called the dictionary:

dom·i·na·trix
/?däm?'natriks/
noun
noun: dominatrix; plural noun: dominatrices; plural noun: dominatrixes

A dominating woman, especially one who takes the sadistic role in sadomasochistic sexual activities.
Context clues. Read the definition.
You just want to talk shit I’m not gonna enable you
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Link Posted: 2/28/2020 4:47:12 AM EST
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That would be a good point in a country where police officers are allowed to make those decisions unrestrained by a Bill of Rights. However, officer social justice still has to act within the parameters of the Fourth Amendment, which doesn't allow unreasonable seizures. Even pretrial detainees aren't allowed to be subjected to being punished just for the lesson of being punished. For some reasons, some schools think they legally act as parents in regards to students.  But they don't.  They still have to comply with the Fourth Amendment, unlike parents. Ironically, there was a school search locally a few weeks back, and the SRO proudly announced to the media that the 4th amendment doesn't apply in schools because the school acts as the parent. Uh...actually that's completely wrong according to the SCOTUS.
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I'm so glad that we have lawyers here.  How the hell did I make it out of childhood without this bull shit.

you should have grown up when I did. you would have never made it out of 1st grade.

Make Corporal Punishment Great Again!
Link Posted: 2/28/2020 8:59:17 AM EST
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I'm so glad that we have lawyers here.  How the hell did I make it out of childhood without this bull shit.

you should have grown up when I did. you would have never made it out of 1st grade.

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That would be a good point in a country where police officers are allowed to make those decisions unrestrained by a Bill of Rights. However, officer social justice still has to act within the parameters of the Fourth Amendment, which doesn't allow unreasonable seizures. Even pretrial detainees aren't allowed to be subjected to being punished just for the lesson of being punished. For some reasons, some schools think they legally act as parents in regards to students.  But they don't.  They still have to comply with the Fourth Amendment, unlike parents. Ironically, there was a school search locally a few weeks back, and the SRO proudly announced to the media that the 4th amendment doesn't apply in schools because the school acts as the parent. Uh...actually that's completely wrong according to the SCOTUS.
I'm so glad that we have lawyers here.  How the hell did I make it out of childhood without this bull shit.

you should have grown up when I did. you would have never made it out of 1st grade.

Make Corporal Punishment Great Again!  
Yeah, I've heard all the stories. It's your generous being scared of its own shadow that helped bring us to where we are now, with 5,000+ federal criminal laws on the books, not even including the state criminal laws.
Link Posted: 2/28/2020 9:02:39 AM EST
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@LawyerUP clarified a couple of postings above this one that he was joking.
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Do you really want me to explain it to you?  It will be a long explanation. Who is paying for this?
Guess you should move this to the EE or get a dealer icon, since in this post and one a few further below this one you keep bringing up who wants to pay.
@LawyerUP clarified a couple of postings above this one that he was joking.
Sarcasm is a difficult concept. Only Bloomberg pays me to post in GD, I don't freelance.
Link Posted: 2/28/2020 3:22:32 PM EST
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Sarcasm is a difficult concept. Only Bloomberg pays me to post in GD, I don't freelance.
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Do you really want me to explain it to you?  It will be a long explanation. Who is paying for this?
Guess you should move this to the EE or get a dealer icon, since in this post and one a few further below this one you keep bringing up who wants to pay.
@LawyerUP clarified a couple of postings above this one that he was joking.
Sarcasm is a difficult concept. Only Bloomberg pays me to post in GD, I don't freelance.
On this I agree. IRL I can convey sarcasm well, with the written word I come across as an asshole (I often am) or pissed ( which I’m hardly ever).
Link Posted: 2/28/2020 4:30:51 PM EST
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A FIRED COP IS THE KIND that arrests a six year old.

All charges against the little girl have been dropped. School says they never advocated for her arrest.
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Back when I was a teen and dinosaurs and hippies roamed the earth if a cop caught you with beer they would generally just take your beer and tell you to go home.  THis was a good system for all involved until some dickhead didn't go home and got more beer and then killed somebody.  So that cop that cut you some sack has his ass in a lawsuit.

So the cop just leaves the 6 year old and something happens to her or to somebody else so the cop now has their ass in a sling and the school says "well, we called law enforcement and they didn't do nothing."

So now after the optics the school goes "well, we didn't want this to happen."  So why did the school call law enforcement then?  What did they think was gonna happen?

Whatever the cop does better be by the law whatever that is.
Link Posted: 2/28/2020 10:10:29 PM EST
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Yeah, I've heard all the stories. It's your generous being scared of its own shadow that helped bring us to where we are now, with 5,000+ federal criminal laws on the books, not even including the state criminal laws.
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"Generous" is "generation"?

We still didn't have cops assigned to schools when I graduated in Jacksonville Florida.  We did have a Dean of Boys and Dean of Girls who handled discipline and yes that included paddling (swats).  We also could carry a pocket knife and shotguns, ball bats or axes could be seen in the window racks of students trucks in the parking lot.
Link Posted: 2/29/2020 11:32:14 AM EST
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"Generous" is "generation"?

We still didn't have cops assigned to schools when I graduated in Jacksonville Florida.  We did have a Dean of Boys and Dean of Girls who handled discipline and yes that included paddling (swats).  We also could carry a pocket knife and shotguns, ball bats or axes could be seen in the window racks of students trucks in the parking lot.
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Damn autocorrect.... damn the person who invented it.
Link Posted: 2/29/2020 11:40:34 AM EST
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Damn autocorrect.... damn the person who invented it.
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"Generous" is "generation"?

We still didn't have cops assigned to schools when I graduated in Jacksonville Florida.  We did have a Dean of Boys and Dean of Girls who handled discipline and yes that included paddling (swats).  We also could carry a pocket knife and shotguns, ball bats or axes could be seen in the window racks of students trucks in the parking lot.
Damn autocorrect.... damn the person who invented it.
Duck him.
Link Posted: 3/1/2020 9:20:42 PM EST
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Classy.
Link Posted: 3/2/2020 2:09:51 PM EST
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Fellow cops shared concerns during Orlando officer’s arrest of 6-year-old, report says: ‘She looks like a baby’

https://www.theledger.com/news/20200302/fellow-cops-shared-concerns-during-orlando-officers-arrest-of-6-year-old-report-says-she-looks-like-baby

It's nice that the other officers shared their concerns.
Link Posted: 3/2/2020 3:30:55 PM EST
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Classy.
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Duck him.
Classy.
Say what?

A reference to one of the most well known and silly autocorrects, directed at the man who invented it is what you are compelled to call out as classy?


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