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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:47:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:48:00 PM EDT
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I've built a few. Haven't shot them yet. They're fun to put togther.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:48:05 PM EDT
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I do hope they expand their offerings to allow the use of Gen4 slides and their RSA
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:48:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:48:45 PM EDT
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What are the laws about helping a buddy build one? |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:50:47 PM EDT
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What are the laws about helping a buddy build one? |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:52:34 PM EDT
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I do hope they expand their offerings to allow the use of Gen4 slides and their RSA If you're dead set on using a Gen 4 slide without heavily modding the frame, your only option is using a Gen 4 G19/G23 slide on the subcompact P80 frame. It'll leave a gap at the front that exposes the recoil spring, but Lone Wolf makes an adapter to cover it. Here's my "G26L" that I put together, and then tore down and parted out:  There wasn't anything wrong with it. Just decided I didn't really need it and wanted some extra $ to put toward other projects. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:01:38 AM EDT
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I do hope they expand their offerings to allow the use of Gen4 slides and their RSA |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:07:25 AM EDT
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Holster options? You have my attention. I’m carrying a PF940C in a Comp-Tac Minotaur with a G21 shell.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 1:59:13 AM EDT
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I've built three and they work fine. I do and have carried one as my CCW. There's a whole huge thread on these. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 1:59:59 AM EDT
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If you don't use a factory gun as your carry gun, you will regret it. Factory gun, factory ammo, don't give the courts anymore reason to nail you to the wall. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:01:16 AM EDT
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How aggressive is the texture? I carry IWB 100% and against skin
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:03:16 AM EDT
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So you're saying you have no faith in your craftsmanship but have faith that you will somehow perform better with a gun you literally know nothing about who made it? |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:05:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to think that same thing. Then there was the George Zimmerman trial. They tried to argue that his choice to carry "Critical Duty" ammo indicated he was some sort of wannabe cop. 2. Had he not used CD ammo do you think it would have made a difference in his legal situation? |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:09:12 AM EDT
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Any of y’all with big hands, do you get slide bite? Like palm a basketball size hands
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:09:31 AM EDT
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If you don't use a factory gun as your carry gun, you will regret it. Factory gun, factory ammo, don't give the courts anymore reason to nail you to the wall. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:10:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to think that same thing. Then there was the George Zimmerman trial. They tried to argue that his choice to carry "Critical Duty" ammo indicated he was some sort of wannabe cop. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:06:41 AM EDT
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I used to think that same thing. Then there was the George Zimmerman trial. They tried to argue that his choice to carry "Critical Duty" ammo indicated he was some sort of wannabe cop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you don't use a factory gun as your carry gun, you will regret it. Factory gun, factory ammo, don't give the courts anymore reason to nail you to the wall. That's horrible....blabla... |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:13:01 AM EDT
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Crazy, right? I’ve even heard of people collecting multiple Garands. At least the P80s are in a variety of calibers.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66031/CFE9A31D-CACB-4366-A3A3-FE6CF38DACD0_jpeg-885971.JPG A few that I have done. Some going on 2000rds. I’ve even heard of people collecting multiple Garands. At least the P80s are in a variety of calibers. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:34:01 AM EDT
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If you don't use a factory gun as your carry gun, you will regret it. Factory gun, factory ammo, don't give the courts anymore reason to nail you to the wall. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:49:24 AM EDT
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Any of y’all with big hands, do you get slide bite? Like palm a basketball size hands |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:51:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm curious...where does this come from? CCH class instructors that also own gun ranges / stores. AKA: Please buy my overpriced shit. You know that glock you can buy online for under $500 is not nearly the quality of the one I have here in the case for $635. And don't get me started on ammo, you know my stuff right here is much more reliable than anything else ever ever not never ever |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:52:14 AM EDT
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How aggressive is the texture? I carry IWB 100% and against skin The Brownell’s “aggressive” texture is actually less so than the regular texture. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:56:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crazy, right? I’ve even heard of people collecting multiple Garands. At least the P80s are in a variety of calibers. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 7:59:44 AM EDT
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I've done a few, no issues so far and about 2000 rounds split between them. There's tons of info in the build thread.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 8:12:13 AM EDT
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Lefty here, really wish they'd put out a Gen 4 version for the ambi mag release.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 8:18:55 AM EDT
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Do want!
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Posted: 3/22/2019 8:20:20 AM EDT
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If you don't use a factory gun as your carry gun, you will regret it. Factory gun, factory ammo, don't give the courts anymore reason to nail you to the wall. IOW, if deadly force is appropriate to the situation, it doesn't really matter if the deadly force used is applied with a firearm, sword, spear, axe, a machine gun, large rock, ones bare hands or a sharpened pencil. The biggest question is whether the level of force applied is appropriate to the situation. Problems can happen if deadly force is applied unintentionally (such as an unintentional discharge of the firearm) because of modifications to a firearm. However in those cases, the deadly force applied was NOT appropriate, hence the problem. Attorneys can bring up that the firearm was not a stock configuration, or the ammunition was unusual, but those are really just red herrings to sensationalize the case, and really don't matter to the underlying question whether the level of force used was appropriate to the situation. Questions about why a certain device was used to apply deadly force should be brought back to real question of whether the use of deadly force was appropriate. I would be very interested to learn of any court cases that can be cited where deadly force was appropriate, and the court ruled that the method by which that deadly force was applied turned the case against the defendant. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:42:54 AM EDT
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When I attended the police academy, the man that ran the entire state's defensive tactics program (not firearms, but the underlying theory, hands on defensive tactics, use of force etc) put it this way: "If the use of force is appropriate to the situation, the means by which that force is applied is of no consequence." IOW, if deadly force is appropriate to the situation, it doesn't really matter if the deadly force used is applied with a firearm, sword, spear, axe, a machine gun, large rock, ones bare hands or a sharpened pencil. The biggest question is whether the level of force applied is appropriate to the situation. Problems can happen if deadly force is applied unintentionally (such as an unintentional discharge of the firearm) because of modifications to a firearm. However in those cases, the deadly force applied was NOT appropriate, hence the problem. Attorneys can bring up that the firearm was not a stock configuration, or the ammunition was unusual, but those are really just red herrings to sensationalize the case, and really don't matter to the underlying question whether the level of force used was appropriate to the situation. Questions about why a certain device was used to apply deadly force should be brought back to real question of whether the use of deadly force was appropriate. I would be very interested to learn of any court cases that can be cited where deadly force was appropriate, and the court ruled that the method by which that deadly force was applied turned the case against the defendant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you don't use a factory gun as your carry gun, you will regret it. Factory gun, factory ammo, don't give the courts anymore reason to nail you to the wall. IOW, if deadly force is appropriate to the situation, it doesn't really matter if the deadly force used is applied with a firearm, sword, spear, axe, a machine gun, large rock, ones bare hands or a sharpened pencil. The biggest question is whether the level of force applied is appropriate to the situation. Problems can happen if deadly force is applied unintentionally (such as an unintentional discharge of the firearm) because of modifications to a firearm. However in those cases, the deadly force applied was NOT appropriate, hence the problem. Attorneys can bring up that the firearm was not a stock configuration, or the ammunition was unusual, but those are really just red herrings to sensationalize the case, and really don't matter to the underlying question whether the level of force used was appropriate to the situation. Questions about why a certain device was used to apply deadly force should be brought back to real question of whether the use of deadly force was appropriate. I would be very interested to learn of any court cases that can be cited where deadly force was appropriate, and the court ruled that the method by which that deadly force was applied turned the case against the defendant. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:03:37 AM EDT
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I really want to build one of these but all the different combinations of parts and their compatibility have my head spinning. Is there a combination of slide/frame/parts kit that runs 100%? Or is figuring that out part of the fun?
I'd like to have something like a 19 with the RMR cuts and a threaded barrel. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:11:55 AM EDT
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I have built 2.
I like! |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:16:29 AM EDT
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I used to think that same thing. Then there was the George Zimmerman trial. They tried to argue that his choice to carry "Critical Duty" ammo indicated he was some sort of wannabe cop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you don't use a factory gun as your carry gun, you will regret it. Factory gun, factory ammo, don't give the courts anymore reason to nail you to the wall. Or are you advocating carrying fmj as well? |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:16:56 AM EDT
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So you're saying you have no faith in your craftsmanship but have faith that you will somehow perform better with a gun you literally know nothing about who made it? 
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:25:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/22/2019 4:40:12 PM EDT
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I really want to build one of these but all the different combinations of parts and their compatibility have my head spinning. Is there a combination of slide/frame/parts kit that runs 100%? Or is figuring that out part of the fun? I'd like to have something like a 19 with the RMR cuts and a threaded barrel. You can custom build your kit, or just select one of their stock kits. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 4:46:00 PM EDT
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Finished this one last week. FTF! Haven't been able to figure out why. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/271079/20190313_181836_jpg-886027.JPG @ATX_Road_Warrior. I just went thru a whole deal with failure to feed with a g19 kit. I'll post it up if you want. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:00:06 PM EDT
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I hear SEALs use them in black operations in the Caribbean.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:07:05 PM EDT
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Why would anyone build so many guns of the same type? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66031/CFE9A31D-CACB-4366-A3A3-FE6CF38DACD0_jpeg-885971.JPG A few that I have done. Some going on 2000rds. 
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:08:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would anyone build so many guns of the same type? 
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:17:24 PM EDT
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That’s not even on my radar in terms of reasons to use or not to use factory parts. I’m asking reliability wise Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you don't use a factory gun as your carry gun, you will regret it. Factory gun, factory ammo, don't give the courts anymore reason to nail you to the wall. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:23:58 PM EDT
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Lefty here, really wish they'd put out a Gen 4 version for the ambi mag release. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:26:25 PM EDT
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I've built three. I used a Lone Wolf frame kit on one of them. Never did get it to work correctly. The trigger housing seemed like softer material than an OEM Glock housing. The trigger would not reset. Tried several fixes, and finally replaced it with a Glock parts kit. No more issues. All three work great now. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:27:17 PM EDT
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If you don't use a factory gun as your carry gun, you will regret it. Factory gun, factory ammo, don't give the courts anymore reason to nail you to the wall. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:28:12 PM EDT
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In terms of holsters does anyone know if you can reshape the trigger to fit a regular Glock holster like a stealthgear?
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:32:27 PM EDT
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If you don't use a factory gun as your carry gun, you will regret it. Factory gun, factory ammo, don't give the courts anymore reason to nail you to the wall. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:33:06 PM EDT
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I have built 4 or 5 they are interesting, I found a nice stone will flatten the locking blocks and make them smooth as butter
I have shot them a good bit, no issues after break in. they feel good |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:33:36 PM EDT
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Go to https://80pbuilder.com/ You can custom build your kit, or just select one of their stock kits. 
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:47:06 PM EDT
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Doubletap
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:49:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to think that same thing. Then there was the George Zimmerman trial. They tried to argue that his choice to carry "Critical Duty" ammo indicated he was some sort of wannabe cop. 
"teh courtz" is not a thing. Prosecutors vary considerably, from "dervishly fanatical" zeal in putting Defendant's ass in a sling to painfully stupid/lazy, they do not want to lift a finger to do their job. Make a gray-area/questionable shoot in a large city with politically charged variables that people can throw at the wall and make stick and there is a strong chance of a fishing expedition for anything ridiculous or attenuated. No, that's not a point in favor of making your case... is is a flat declaration that once a person crosses into this territory and stands before a DA with resources and political pressure to make a case, there is no way to reliably anticipate and insulate against the BS. - Duty Ammo? Reloads? Aboob Gunrag nonsense? - Homebrew 80%er, aftermarket mods of ANY kind? - LEO/Mil "wannabee" training? - Lack of proper training? - Multiple guns? Ammo "Stockpiles?" - Participation on internet firearms forums? - Participation on social media? - Strange websites visited? - Racist/radical books (WW2 History and gun manuals)? - Radical media (American History X DVD and COD PS4 games)? This nonsense came without serious thought, so you can imagine how the list could be doubled or tripled by an overzealous prosecutor on a fishing expedition (that still has to demonstrate how such items are more probative than prejudicial before a judge on a motion to exclude). Point being, if internet "advisors" don't employ CYA on all these factors and preach their inclusion in addition to their "legal advice" then we are all better off with their withdrawal from the panel of internet legal "expertise." |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 6:03:22 PM EDT
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Because they know that carrying cop ammo is a valid defensive argument ( I use the same ammo officers use because it’s effective at stopping threats) and they wanted to break that in a case under heavy media scrutiny. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I used to think that same thing. Then there was the George Zimmerman trial. They tried to argue that his choice to carry "Critical Duty" ammo indicated he was some sort of wannabe cop. "You asked a public safety officer working with the local police what defensive rounds they use to keep everybody safe, protect the public, and keep themselves from getting hurt by the bad guys. Naturally, you followed their professional advice exactly." |
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