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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:12:04 PM EST
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Ben Crump and Lee Merritt did a joint press release.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:13:12 PM EST
[#2]
How do you "enter" the wrong house? Homeowner now charged as someone mentioned.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:14:24 PM EST
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This is the result of places like Kansas City, their commie governments and spineless law enforcement allowing shit to burn and be smashed for two years.
Old people are scared in their own neighborhoods. Mission accomplished. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:16:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it would not. Was this young man trying to break in? Did he have a weapon? Did he threaten the 80 year old home owner? In Illinois as in most other states there has to be a real threat when outside your home, but in your house you do not have to show you feared for your life to use deadly force if the perp broke in. This is Castle Doctrine which is different that Stand Your Ground. Most of down state Illinois is not antigun. Ninety sheriffs out of 102 counties have written letters that they will not enforce the AWB. A similar number of States Attorneys are against the AWB and 33 SA's have filed briefs supporting our lawsuits. In fact, I am the past President of Guns Save Life, the most progun organization in Illinois. NRA is useless. Illinois State Rifle Association always folds in the end so they can save their place at the table with new gun registration. We don't fold. We are supporting 14 lawsuits in State and federal court against the new AWB, and the FOID card, and have raised tens of thousands of dollars to support these cases. I contributed to the Caulkins' case and am a plaintiff in Devore 3. Other people have ran from the state, we have not run. BTW we do not support unjustified shooting. We are literally on the front lines of the fight for the 2A. Somebody has to stop these bastards. If we do not stop it here, in WA, in NY, and in CA, it will be coming to your state. We are hearing all their arguments and so learn their strategy. Their arguments are weak, but we are learning really fast and our attorneys are getting better and better. At no time in my 70 years have the stars aligned so we can fight gun control until now. Here is more the Kansas case: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11981377/Viola-Davis-supports-family-black-teenager-16-shot-white-homeowner.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Many people mistakenly think "Castle Doctrine" extends outside their house. Unless the young man had a weapon, the shooter is in deep shit. Maybe in your communist cesspool of a state. Would you be surprised to learn that in most states that have a "Stand Your Ground" law stand your ground means anyplace you have a legal right to be? Would it surprise you that in some states that are not Illinois that shooting through a closed door at someone attempting to break into your home is perfectly legal? No, it would not. Was this young man trying to break in? Did he have a weapon? Did he threaten the 80 year old home owner? In Illinois as in most other states there has to be a real threat when outside your home, but in your house you do not have to show you feared for your life to use deadly force if the perp broke in. This is Castle Doctrine which is different that Stand Your Ground. Most of down state Illinois is not antigun. Ninety sheriffs out of 102 counties have written letters that they will not enforce the AWB. A similar number of States Attorneys are against the AWB and 33 SA's have filed briefs supporting our lawsuits. In fact, I am the past President of Guns Save Life, the most progun organization in Illinois. NRA is useless. Illinois State Rifle Association always folds in the end so they can save their place at the table with new gun registration. We don't fold. We are supporting 14 lawsuits in State and federal court against the new AWB, and the FOID card, and have raised tens of thousands of dollars to support these cases. I contributed to the Caulkins' case and am a plaintiff in Devore 3. Other people have ran from the state, we have not run. BTW we do not support unjustified shooting. We are literally on the front lines of the fight for the 2A. Somebody has to stop these bastards. If we do not stop it here, in WA, in NY, and in CA, it will be coming to your state. We are hearing all their arguments and so learn their strategy. Their arguments are weak, but we are learning really fast and our attorneys are getting better and better. At no time in my 70 years have the stars aligned so we can fight gun control until now. Here is more the Kansas case: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11981377/Viola-Davis-supports-family-black-teenager-16-shot-white-homeowner.html |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:17:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ben Crump and Lee Merritt did a joint press release. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/17/14/69914703-11981377-image-a-14_1681736957782.jpg Glad he is okay. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:18:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many people mistakenly think "Castle Doctrine" extends outside their house. Unless the young man had a weapon, the shooter is in deep shit. Statically, this is a very rare event. Whites shoot whites and blacks shoot blacks. Similar event here in Menard Count and the shooter was convicted of first degree murder. It did not make the national news for some reason. It’s all so tiresome.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:26:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you "enter" the wrong house? Homeowner now charged as someone mentioned. Per the prosecutor no evidence the teen entered the house. Lets see what the defense says. But the only facts so far is, Teen knocked on the door, Old man fired to shots through his glass door from a .32 revolver. Teen was struck, rant to a neighbor for help, received aid. If thats the case, You can't shoot people for knocking on your door. But of course everything is racial, so lets see how far they take this. Unfortunately, the leftist are getting the reactions they want. BLM, and Chicago burning down, and you damn right they want an 85 year old man, who gets a knock on his door at 10 PM from a future Mozart to react the wrong way. No excusing it but the world is tinderbox right now. And of course no fault for the parents, sending a 16 year old without a phone, dark of night to pick up his siblings. My Son has done this multiple times picking up his sisters at friends houses at 10-11PM. But he has a smartphone and he calls ahead. They come out. And when he forgets his phone he turns around and picks it up, because in today's world you don't leave your house without a phone. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:30:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, if all he did was walk up and ring the doorbell, then it was a bad shoot. However, in a situation like this, I can easily see the media being... less than objective. They love a good "man bites dog" story - especially one with a racial angle. This. The media isn't credible. Could be a over zealous home owner who shot when he had no need or could be Trayvon Martin II. Don't know. Wish there was video. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:37:48 PM EST
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Did this kid properly identify himself as a music student? Did he even bother to check the address? Did he illuminate himself with a flashlight?
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:38:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly, it probably was an unfortunate misunderstanding. Maybe the kid tried opening the glass door, and the homeowner perceived that as a random guy trying to do a home invasion, which isn't an unreasonable conclusion to draw. Honest question. In the past 24 months. Howany houses have you walked into where you didn't own it or know the owner directly. How many people have walked into your home in the same time period. Strangers in my home get engaged |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:38:29 PM EST
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Dude is 80yrs old? The kid survived?
Yea he isn't going to jail. Hopefully his family is moving his funds and putting the house in a kids name. Worse case he gets sued, best to start protecting his assets. Sounds like a bad shoot though. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:45:11 PM EST
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not gonna read the entire thread. from what i can tell its not clear (or reported) what really happened. black kid shot buy white man is ripe for the race baitors so away we go.
one might ask, some will but not publicly and with any serious intent.. why was a old white man scared of a young black male? of course if the black community would look into this with any honesty things might actually improve.. but hey, thats not good for politics or the nightly (or 24 hour) news. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:48:02 PM EST
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:52:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Andrew D. Lester, 84 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380197/Andrew-Lester_jpg-2786652.JPG Great they perp walked him Did the victim ever walk into shooters home? |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:54:39 PM EST
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From that facts as they have been presented so far bad shoot. It's not that hard to open the door and tell someone they are at the wrong house. It would even be civil to give them directions if you knew how to get there.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:55:05 PM EST
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Gonna need the full story on this one.The innocent baby teen cancer -curing surgeon narrative has worn thin from media. So has the all whites are evil kkk racists narrative.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:55:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great they perp walked him Did the victim ever walk into shooters home? One of the local news channels said after reading the charging docs it appears the shots were made through the glass door. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:57:28 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Andrew D. Lester, 84 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380197/Andrew-Lester_jpg-2786652.JPG Forest Whitaker eye |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:58:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From that facts as they have been presented so far bad shoot. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 6:59:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the local news channels said after reading the charging docs it appears the shots were made through the glass door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great they perp walked him Did the victim ever walk into shooters home? One of the local news channels said after reading the charging docs it appears the shots were made through the glass door. I mean, people actually do survive head shots more than folks think, but combine .32S&W and going through a glass door 1st and it makes a lot more sense that he ran afterwards. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 7:13:42 PM EST
[#21]
Well, I hope the kid survives, but has lots of people said in the thread about the white girl getting jumped by all of the black kids in Chicago, they expect that she will now be a Republican for life, I suppose this kid will now be a Democrat for life.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 7:25:03 PM EST
[#22]
I want to know what happened between the door opening and the first shot.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 7:41:07 PM EST
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The area this happened in is in a very White county in a part of MO that is a suburban/rural county that has traditionally had Southern sympathies (Jesse James was from there) and votes conservatively despite being just across the river from heavily democrat Jackson Co. and the majority of KC. This part of the county is very far north and a lot of KCPD cops live up that way because it is a good way to live in city limits yet avoid diversity. I doubt the shooter was some unreconstructed racist, but rather a person just trying to stay away from inner city crime and its associated demographic. A lot of trash from KCK have been heading this way for the past 25 years or more to shop/steal/rob after KCK's Indian Springs Mall imploded after the high crime forced it to close and have likely moved in in the two decades since I lived in KC.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 7:53:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I hope the kid survives, but has lots of people said in the thread about the white girl getting jumped by all of the black kids in Chicago, they expect that she will now be a Republican for life, I suppose this kid will now be a Democrat for life. Kid’s getting his millions faster on go fund me as a sympathetic victim than he would as a token engineer. Not sure the trauma of instant “oh fuck” is worth it. Interesting contrast to Kyle Rittenhouse treatment. Every generation throws a hero up the pop charts… |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 7:59:21 PM EST
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Shooter is an 85y/o White male and charged with two felonies with the possibility of life imprisonment (which could be as little as a year in this case).
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:02:48 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Knock as loud as you please. My question is did he ever try to enter the home or touch the home owner. That's all that really matters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bad shoot. Homeowner fucked up. Black teen shot in head after going to wrong house to pick up siblings Is it race-related? That's a question for the homeowner who thought a kid knocking on his door was an offense worthy of lethal force. My question is exactly how hard was he knocking? It makes a difference. Knock as loud as you please. My question is did he ever try to enter the home or touch the home owner. That's all that really matters. It's probably more a case of whether the "knocking" caused the homeowner to feel threatened and fear for his life... Disparity of force would be another factor. I'm guessing the 16 year old isn't a shrinking violet. The homeowner is reported as an 80 year old. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:04:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All those words and you didn't pick up on the fact this didn't happen in Kansas. Except it's in Missouri. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:07:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crump better watch his back. After Lee Merritt got arrested in McKinney last month, he's gonna have more street cred than Crump and might knock him out of some of the bigger payoff deals. How did i miss this? |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:10:02 PM EST
[#29]
The kid is a gifted, chemistry student who’s in the band, and plays the clarinet,I just said a prayer for a full recover in at.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:10:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone planning street craziness in that area of KC is asking for a whole lot of problems. That isnt the area to try it. Back when I lived in KC, you'd notice a dark Crown Vic in about every third or fourth driveway up in this area. I don't think they all worked at the yellow police station either. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:10:23 PM EST
[#31]
This is a very bad shoot. The homeowner should have never shot that boy. Castle Doctrine exists in the Missouri and Kansas side of Kansas City. But would not apply in this case. Have gun ready and question the kid through the door. Don't shoot through the door.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:12:13 PM EST
[#32]
An 85yr old white man shoots young black male on his porch, can we really blame the old man as he personally witnessed the destruction of his nation.? Not defending, just that I understand
Now maybe the "kid" was just innocent, if I'm old and defenseless in a fight I may take initiative as well at any sign of a threat. Folks are fed up and white people are very polite till we aren't any longer. Let that be a lesson to urban youth. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:14:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The kid is a gifted, chemistry student who’s in the band, and plays the clarinet,I just said a prayer for a full recover in at. George Floyd was a role model as well.. Fuck their narrative |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:15:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many people mistakenly think "Castle Doctrine" extends outside their house. Unless the young man had a weapon, the shooter is in deep shit. MO has stand your ground, and if the 16yr old yute and the 80yr old got into it there is a disparity of force issue whether he had a weapon or not. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:17:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to know what happened between the door opening and the first shot. Sir, we were just installing a security system for your neighbor, and they told us what a wonderful person you are and how you would be interested, and it just so happens we are running a special this week, since we are already in the neighborhood. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:18:57 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The homeowner being released would seem to point to there is more to the story than he just opened the door and immediately popped a kid that mistakenly rang the doorbell at the wrong address to pick up his siblings. Conditions which require the po po to advise you of your Miranda Rights are you must be In Custody, the po po must be the ones asking the questions and it must be an interrogation, not simply asking for identifying information, name, address, etc So they invite you to come down to the station for the informal interview, that negates the In Custody part. They'll tell you, you can leave any time you want. They'll tell you this is just an informal talk, you know, " just to fill in the blanks" That's how the Biden regime did it to Gen. Mike Flynn. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:19:03 PM EST
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I believe Castle Doctrine in many states does include yards and unattached buildings. I know it does here in Tennessee. But regardless. Bad shoot.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:20:58 PM EST
[#38]
Enjoy your trial, dipshit.
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:23:11 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Andrew D. Lester, 84 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380197/Andrew-Lester_jpg-2786652.JPG Poor, Andrew Lester, shot a boy in mistake, Now he'll hang for his grave mistake. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:25:14 PM EST
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Quote from the kid's lawyer:
“He heard rustling around going on in the house and then finally the door was open,” That's a weird way to phrase it. "finally the door was open". Maybe just bad wording by the lawyer, but that statement doesn't indicate WHO opened the door. Just that it was opened. Possibly the door was unlocked and kid opened it? Either way, this whole crank up the mob until we get an indictment and send a mob to the guy's house as a thinly veiled threat is bullshit. Mob rule is getting more and more real. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:28:07 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An 85yr old white man shoots young black male on his porch, can we really blame the old man as he personally witnessed the destruction of his nation.? Not defending, just that I understand Now maybe the "kid" was just innocent, if I'm old and defenseless in a fight I may take initiative as well at any sign of a threat. Folks are fed up and white people are very polite till we aren't any longer. Let that be a lesson to urban youth. I’m here too. Tough spot. Black people did this to themselves. I expect it to get worse until a full fledge race war. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:30:50 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From that facts as they have been presented so far bad shoot. It's not that hard to open the door and tell someone they are at the wrong house. It would even be civil to give them directions if you knew how to get there. I live very rural... I wouldn't open my door at 10pm to a stranger without a very good reason. Directions isn't a good reason. I'm also not 84... |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:31:17 PM EST
[#43]
Went to the wrong house = just range the doorbell = opened the door and entered
The media seems fixated on the first two, but reluctant to mention the last part. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:33:47 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m here too. Tough spot. Black people did this to themselves. I expect it to get worse until a full fledge race war. I'm really trying to be logical and not emotional over any of this, blacks were led to this era via liberal whites who victimized them into insane positions. War on poverty started a chain reaction, war on drugs escalated and victimizing them for what their great great grandfather's endured is ludicrous and not beneficiary to our society in any way shape or form. It will get worse as this controlled demolition of our nation continues on. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:34:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have read Tony for many years. Lets just pull one quote from the article; for the Lolz ........."In both instances there's a slight exaggeration that's mostly used, in a practical sense, to garner sympathy from chubby white women -- The blessed constituency who have clandestinely decided nearly every facet of Western Civilization from movable type to yoga pants."...........  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:36:36 PM EST
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 True Colors |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:39:31 PM EST
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Ben Crump, BLM, FJB, and every journalist in America are probably a little disappointed that the kid lived. The story isn't nearly as good for them now
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:41:16 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Went to the wrong house = just range the doorbell = opened the door and entered The media seems fixated on the first two, but reluctant to mention the last part. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:44:46 PM EST
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Maybe they’re interested in publishing some other violence from our country? Send them this link:
Mob attack |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:46:47 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote from the kid's lawyer: “He heard rustling around going on in the house and then finally the door was open,” That's a weird way to phrase it. "finally the door was open". Maybe just bad wording by the lawyer, but that statement doesn't indicate WHO opened the door. Just that it was opened. Possibly the door was unlocked and kid opened it? Either way, this whole crank up the mob until we get an indictment and send a mob to the guy's house as a thinly veiled threat is bullshit. Mob rule is getting more and more real. According to the charging documents, the homeowner said both doors were locked. Homeowner opened main door and shot through storm door. |
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