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Posted: 9/6/2022 8:47:19 AM EDT
[#1]
Nobody will touch this?
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Posted: 9/6/2022 8:47:55 AM EDT
[#2]
Paratrooper > Marine.
Fight me. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 8:49:19 AM EDT
[#3]
Kind of apples and oranges. You would drop the 82nd to seize an objective. You would land 1st MarDiv to seize a country.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 8:49:20 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Paratrooper > Marine. Fight me. ^ |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 8:50:46 AM EDT
[#5]
Who has f15's?
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Posted: 9/6/2022 8:50:57 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Paratrooper > Marine. Fight me. LOL that's pretty much what happens whenever they come into contact with each other. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 8:56:40 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who has f15's? Neither last I checked. The Potato did have USMC flanking him during his last speech. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 8:59:20 AM EDT
[#8]
Cav Scouts.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:00:13 AM EDT
[#9]
When everyone is elite, everyone is mediocre.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:00:24 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither last I checked. The Potato did have USMC flanking him during his last speech. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who has f15's? Neither last I checked. The Potato did have USMC flanking him during his last speech. I think he's speaking MAGTF. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:01:46 AM EDT
[#11]
Airborne > legs.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:01:55 AM EDT
[#12]
Neither is elite.
1st Marine Division are legs 82nd are legs that waste a good chunk of their training time on something they'll never use in combat. Both are just grunt line units. Fight me 
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:02:59 AM EDT
[#13]
They both are elite units and it is hard to quantify
Having said that army units who have worked with both would rather work with the Marines. The Marines treated them fairly while the 82nd treated them with disdain. There is a lot of issues in the army in the way units are treated amongst themselves to include guard and reserve units. I saw it first hand in the 21 years I spent in the army and guard. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:03:37 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither is elite. Fight me 
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:05:20 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of apples and oranges. You would drop the 82nd to seize an objective. You would land 1st MarDiv to seize a country. Reminds me of this little clip.  Navy Seals vs Green Berets - Jocko Willink & Tim Kennedy |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:05:52 AM EDT
[#16]
Me and Major Powers are building an ee-light company of fighting men.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:06:25 AM EDT
[#17]
Neither, both.... they have different specific mission requirements. Elite if we’re using that term is SOF
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:07:03 AM EDT
[#18]
Marines elite? Muhahaha.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:07:27 AM EDT
[#19]
Paratroopers, and it isn't even close.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:07:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:07:39 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They both are elite units and it is hard to quantify Having said that army units who have worked with both would rather work with the Marines. The Marines treated them fairly while the 82nd treated them with disdain. There is a lot of issues in the army in the way units are treated amongst themselves to include guard and reserve units. I saw it first hand in the 21 years I spent in the army and guard. lol. no. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:08:28 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Paratrooper > Marine. Fight me. There’s some guy on YouTube who was USMC now 82nd I believe don’t follow him closely but he does these topics in YouTube videos. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:08:36 AM EDT
[#23]
That's pronounced "e light"
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:09:18 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Paratrooper > Marine. Fight me. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:09:51 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's pronounced "e light" 
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:11:57 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Paratroopers, and it isn't even close. LOL why, because they fall out of airplanes? |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:12:37 AM EDT
[#27]
If you want something fucked up real bad, quickly, you use Marines. If you want to use it in the future, you use Army.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:13:27 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a buddy that was a Marine Paratrooper that jumped out of the back of OV-10 broncos in 1st Angilco. What now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Paratrooper > Marine. Fight me. Marines have a division of them? They don't? How quaint. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:14:06 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a buddy that was a Marine Paratrooper that jumped out of the back of OV-10 broncos in 1st Angilco. What now? Attended jump school with ANGLICO in my company. Also USMC beach logistics battalions or whatever they’re called have Marines on jump status I believe. Of course the Recon, MARSOC but I have no clue for scout sniper? Marines are undergoing training at Yuma too. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:15:26 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Me and Major Powers are building an elite company of fighting men. An eelight company, I believe is how he put it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:16:22 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Marines have a division of them? They don't? How quaint. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Paratrooper > Marine. Fight me. Marines have a division of them? They don't? How quaint. An Ov10 parachute qual would be sweet! |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:16:33 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Marines have a division of them? They don't? How quaint. What is the largest sized USMC unit that jumps? A bunch of foreign countries have division but not the airlift to actually deploy them in airborne operations. China is investing in airlift capabilities for their jump status units. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:18:34 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An eelight company, I believe is how he put it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Me and Major Powers are building an elite company of fighting men. An eelight company, I believe is how he put it. I fixed it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:19:26 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An Ov10 parachute qual would be sweet! |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:20:15 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of apples and oranges. You would drop the 82nd to seize an objective. You would land 1st MarDiv to seize a country. LOL, no. You’re not seizing any country bigger than Luxembourg with a single division. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:20:57 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the largest sized USMC unit that jumps? A bunch of foreign countries have division but not the airlift to actually deploy them in airborne operations. China is investing in airlift capabilities for their jump status units. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Marines have a division of them? They don't? How quaint. What is the largest sized USMC unit that jumps? A bunch of foreign countries have division but not the airlift to actually deploy them in airborne operations. China is investing in airlift capabilities for their jump status units. Even in WW2 they only had a couple rgts capable. I doubt very much they can jump in with anything bigger than a company. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:22:28 AM EDT
[#37]
If it means anything a decent looking chick picked me wearing an RDF t shirt over a USMC wearing his blues in Washington DC back in the 80s. I believe he was newly assigned to Lejeune and I was 2 years in at Ft Bragg and home on leave.
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:22:50 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the largest sized USMC unit that jumps? A bunch of foreign countries have division but not the airlift to actually deploy them in airborne operations. China is investing in airlift capabilities for their jump status units. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:23:44 AM EDT
[#39]
In all honesty,
If you were to grab a standard line battalion of Infantryman from each, The quality density would be very similar. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:25:12 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even in WW2 they only had a couple rgts capable. I doubt very much they can jump in with anything bigger than a company. It’s been brigade sized for Army since WW2 so far and I still don’t have mustard stains 
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:29:43 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are probably only 1500 active Marines world wide that jump. 18th Abn Corps cut their brigades like 525 military intelligence, 18th field artillery brigade, 20th engineer brigade, 16th Military Police brigade etc. down to only 1 battalion on jump status for each. Other than the 82nd Div, we got 173rd and 2nd brigade 11th Airborne which was going to be deactivated 10 years ago but held on.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:29:54 AM EDT
[#42]
Not even close.
I did a tour in the 82nd. I've also waded ashore from my fishing boat. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:33:31 AM EDT
[#43]
Can you be released for standards from either?
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:35:37 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL why, because they fall out of airplanes? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Paratroopers, and it isn't even close. LOL why, because they fall out of airplanes? No because they can put an entire Brigade in your back yard in a matter of hours, not just the infantry Battalions, the entire goddamn Brigade soup to nuts. It's a shame that the 82nd has practiced doing that ad-infinitum for decades but has not performed the trick for the world to see, it's fucking impressive as hell. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:36:29 AM EDT
[#45]
I have a good friend that was in an “airborne” unit and was surprised to learn that only about half of them actually jumped. How many in the 82nd are on jump status?
Also yes an apples to oranges and airborne likes to tout that they can be anywhere within some many hours, but the Marines are always forward deployed somewhere. Supporting assets are completely different and missions aren’t the same. What has the 82nd done post 1945? |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:37:48 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Paratrooper > Marine. Fight me. what about Marine Paratroopers? my grandfather was one... 2nd Div. Tinian, Saipan..etc...etc. |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:40:33 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a good friend that was in an “airborne” unit and was surprised to learn that only about half of them actually jumped. How many in the 82nd are on jump status? Also yes an apples to oranges and airborne likes to tout that they can be anywhere within some many hours, but the Marines are always forward deployed somewhere. Supporting assets are completely different and missions aren’t the same. What has the 82nd done post 1945? Can’t remember if the Engineers were 20th Eng Bde or 82nd for Urgent Fury and 2 brigades for Operation Just Cause Panama and a company from 504 in A-Stan |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:41:54 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In all honesty, If you were to grab a standard line battalion of Infantryman from each, The quality density would be very similar. Most likely Lot of injured 82nd guys getting early exits though |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:53:24 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a good friend that was in an “airborne” unit and was surprised to learn that only about half of them actually jumped. How many in the 82nd are on jump status? Also yes an apples to oranges and airborne likes to tout that they can be anywhere within some many hours, but the Marines are always forward deployed somewhere. Supporting assets are completely different and missions aren’t the same. What has the 82nd done post 1945? Operation Just Cause? |
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:54:05 AM EDT
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82nd Airborne and Marine Infantry are pretty close in attitudes…..when I was a rookie street cop, I was tossed in the ghetto, one man cars, and my classmate, who was 82nd, was in the adjacent ghetto over. No one wanted to work in the ghetto, but we did, and we made the job fun.
We never had to wonder if we had each other’s back, we could smoke and joke, and had each other’s back in IA…… I went to the Feds, he went to the Highway Patrol, and then went to Blackwater…. |
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