Paratroopers better than Bidens stormtroopers

Remember when the Marines jumped into Panama?

I had a teammate that jumped into Panama.  

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The answer is always battle-hardened, elite shock troopers.

I did my time at an SF group, so I have no idea what the 82nd standards actually are. It's probably full of fat trannies at this point.

Lol.  The Army's mission is to seize a country and "occupy" it.  Marines are more suited for islands.

Jumping is only an added capability.

Airborne units are better because of the kinds of guys they attract.

I was 11b line Co for an airborne unit and then a leg unit. The difference was clear.

Didn't work with Marines, so I can't comment on that.

When you say “elite,” you mean like the global elites? Like the WEF and George Soros?

That’s a tough call.

Sadly, I have to give the nod to the US Marines. They were picked as FJB’s symbolic elites at the recent red light rally against Trumpofascism, and the closeted Warrior Monk General is knee deep in the Bohemian Grove.

It’s a sad day. Smedley Butler is rolling in his grave, Evan Carlson not happy in the people’s afterlife either.

82nd jumps in to secure an airfield to allow follow on forces to land and expand.

1MarDiv lands at a beach to allow follow on forces to land and expand.

That being said, anyone can land on a beach.  Only a paratrooper can jump from the sky more than once.

Well, the 82nd will usually be put into the conflict ahead of 1st Marines. It is joint doctrine and how the force structure works. They'll probably land at an airfield rather than jump in though.

Both are quality and have different roles.

If you are dropping soldiers in on land to take objectives, you grab 82nd/101st Airborne and make the assault.

If you need a beach/water born assault to take an objective, you get the 1st Marines.

If you need a surgical strike, depending on needs, you grab the SEALs, Army SF, etc.

Get the right tool for the job.

A lot of you guys are getting wrapped up in the different missions, capabilities, equipment, etc.

If you were to randomly select 1000 17-21 year old Infantrymen with less than two years of service from each,
1000 22-25 with five or less years of service, and 500 26- 30, etc.

Give them an IQ test, time them on the same obstacle course, 2.5 mile run, etc. you see that each are a pool of similar quality density that sought out an assignment above the average .mil gig.
The will both have a quality density below that of Ranger Bn, SF, MASOC, SEALs, etc. but above the military Gen pop males.

Umm,
you drop the 82nd in and they run around doing their thing for a few days then what? They can only be self sufficient for a short period of time.
you bring a marine division and you can spread hate and discontent for years.

So yeah, ill take a division of marines every time.   Plus one good SAM site can make the 82nd disappear.

lol yes.

Eighty second! Patch on his shoulder!

Throws down his weapon and steps on it, the eighty second don't give a shit!

Airborne!

This post nailed it.

Parachuting is just another means of insertion. It's what you do when you're on the ground that matters.

Most of the 82nd units/guys I worked with were pretty damn professional and motivated.

Marine paratrooper > Army paratrooper

Well, they both are gonna end up on the ground eventually so what they do from there is the deciding factor for me.


Ive got friends from high school that were 82nd and others that were marines - all of them GWOT vets.


If I was picking someone to be by my side i'll take the marines.

Does the 82nd have tanks, AAVs (obviously not, but the bradley is close enough), engineering battalions, arty, etc, organic?

AFAIK, they’re two totally different kinds of unit, but I really don’t know shit about Army units.

Everybody knows the real elite unit is the 3074th Mess Kit Repair Battalion (Airborne) (Provisional).

The Marines no longer have tanks, either.

And, yes, the 82nd has it's own organic engineers and field artillery.

Neither one is "elite" if you can be randomly assigned there by HRC.

In an actual no shit contested mass drop isn’t the projected losses pretty bad? Like 40% combat effective after the drop or something like that?

As someone who has served with 82nd and other units and later treated 82nd and other units.

The 82nd has a higher quality Soldier than the Average Army.

They also have a huge fucking ego.  Not as big as 1st Cavalry division but pretty fucking big.

That being said, I would rather be a random leg Army guy working with 1stMarDiv than a random leg Army guy working with the 82nd.

What makes 1st Marine Division any different than any of the other three?

We seized Afghanistan with like 10 ODA's.

Yes

Legs's suk

PS: My parents were married long before I was born

Marines are already part of the White House security and present at Presidential speeches.

Clearing villages house by house in Marine territory in 2004. Near Karbala. They are responsible for setting up the perimeter on three sides and we are doing the sweep. 5 min into it the fucking Iraqis start getting in their cars and driving out of town. Right passed the Marines.

I have worked with both and will chose an Army unit to be on my flank every time.

I supported 10th Mountain, the 82nd, 25th and 101st in Iraq and Afghanistan at various points. I'm a leg and I never got treated badly by the 82nd, and none of my troops ever complained about it.
I have my choice of combat patches and I chose to wear the 82nd.
Had more limited interactions with the Marines but never had aby trouble with them either.

82d has Cav Scouts….

How long is a MarDiv actually self sufficient for?

And a few good anti-ship missiles and the Marines disappear. They can't even come up with a reliable landing craft.

The Marines are getting rid of their tanks, and yes the 82nd had their own Arty and Engineers. An Army division is intended to be able to fight independently.

1st Marine division has 22,000 marines the 82nd airborne has 57,000 soldiers .

I'm not sure what kind of equipment both have .

Neither of those numbers reflect reality.

Probably depends on who is in charge and what units are working with them

Friend who served a tour in Iraq had nothing good to say about the 101st.  And he is a decorated combat veteran.  The unit he was in was responsible for keeping the roads open in his AO and escorting convoys.    He stated when they had a large vehicle break down in the 101st AO they did not offer to help in anyway to include providing overwatch.    Fortunately his men were well trained and were able to get the vehicle hitched up to another vehicle to tow it back to base.  They provided their own overwatch

Contrast that when they had a vehicle break down in the Marine AO the marines came out of the field and provided overwatch for the convoy and sent marines in to assist the convoy in getting the vehicle hooked up for towing.   He said they were very professional and friendly unlike the 101st.  

Just one story of many.

I have seen it done many times. You remove the back hatch, set up a stool, they side in nuts to butts, and take off. The pilot dumps them out in a climb. It is a dump truck run.

+1

Strike Hold, All the Way, Airborne!

Marines had Para-Marines at the beginning of WWII. Because of the way they were used they were killed of quickly.  The Marine Corps did away with parachute based combat units. The disbanded Para Marine units were scattered among regular infantry battalions just in time for Iwo Jima.

He likely slid out the back of an OV-10.

The Marines come and go on tanks. They dump them when they don’t need them and get surplus ones when they need them. With the shift to China and islands, tanks are not very useful when the bomb trucks can fly over.

It is certainly not the 4th MARDEV  

Which one has less forced diversity?

Hahaha true

What % of an airborne division is on jump status?

So much fail in here….




82d Deployments since 1945….
1965 Dominican Republic
1968 Vietnam
1983 Urgent Fury (307th CBT EN jumped with 1/75, other units air landed)
1989 Just Cause (2 BDE combat jump)
1990 Desert Shield/Storm (1st ground troops deployed as speed bumps)
1994 Uphold Democracy (no-go combat jump to kick in the door for the marine landings)
1999 Kosovo
2001 Afghanistan
2003 Iraq

There’s around 15,000 paratroopers. It’s a light infantry division with organic combat engineers, field artillery, and combat service/support. It was 100% on jump status. Not sure if it still is.

I like ANGLICOs. They jumped with us a few times.

When did that become a thing?

It’s been a while, but in Iraq our SF group told our augmentees to wear the patch they came with, and I thought big Army decided the same.

What the AR and NG does when they get home is probably another thing entirely.

I never dealt with the 1MarDiv overseas, but I had multiple interactions with the 82nd that left me with the impression that their unit had a lot of organizational problems.  Example:  I was part of a contract security group guarding a secret military installation somewhere in the middle east.  Said installation was attached to, but wholly separate from, a very large military base with a ton of US and coalition military, civilians, TCNs and God knows who else wandering around.  The high speed place had a gate that connected it to the large US base.  One of my jobs was to make sure only people that were authorized to enter the installation got through the gate.  We would regularly turn around bored soldiers exploring the area, lost UN turds looking for whatever, MP's that thought they could pull our people over for speeding if they made it through our gate, Generals, and other assorted people that did not belong.  

The military component at that base decided they needed some extra manpower while running missions.  Mainly to set up perimeters and carry their shit, not help them kick doors.  So they somehow got a company from the 82nd.  We had been told they were coming and that all arrangements had been made.  The 82nd would be housed on the main base and only come to the secret installation when it was time to go do bad things to bad people.  The 82nd shows up and NO arrangements had been made.  The secret base dropped the ball on the special secret squirrel ID's needed, because the machine to make them broke.  The 82nd never bothered to send a roster of the people in the single company of the entire 82nd airborne DIVISION that was allowed on the base.  A fun little SNAFU erupted between the ninjas running the place and the 82nd, with myself and my fellow contractors in the middle.  The special people could not understand why they could not get a simple list of names of the very few people being allowed on the super secret base.  The 82nd didn't understand why we would not just allow anyone with an 82nd patch on their uniform into the base.  Yes they really did say that and thought it was a good idea.

We eventually got a roster and the 82nd complained every time they came on the installation and we would cross check it against their CAC cards.  They still wanted their patches to be access media.  Not sure how the missions they were involved in turned out, I stayed out of other people's business, but after a while the 82nd stopped coming and they just got a few more fancy black helicopters on the pad.

Moral of the story, little birds are cool and I thought it was funny to tell people I worked at a water treatment plant.  Oh and something about paratroopers, I am not sure just rambling at this point.  Marines were always cool, if a little too uptight.  I hear they are better when they have alcohol.