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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:14:24 PM EDT
[#1]
I just spoke to some expats in HK last night. They had just shipped their kids out of the country to stay with family abroad. They said the police were identifying any teens that participated in the protests and arresting them and their whole families, though it hadn’t made the news.
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:15:58 PM EDT
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I doubt that the HKers will go there, necessarily. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IMO, losing control of HK, and having it turn into a “second Taiwan” that breaks away from the mainland (and receives military aid from the West) is the worst nightmare for China. They simply cannot allow that to happen. If China sees any realistic possibility if that happening in HK, they will crack down HARD, and not give a shit about world opinion, IMO. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:16:59 PM EDT
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Some sort of massive crisis in which China will have to come to their aid and they will have to give up some freedoms in order for China to save/help them...maybe
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:17:34 PM EDT
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It’s getting froggy
Here’s an unedited video of above
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:18:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the Trump could do, likely by EO, would be just immediately deport every third Chinese educational visa holder once per year, and only give future ones at "random." The Universities and colleges would scream, because they love those full price cash Chinese students, but TFB. What the Chinese really fear are religious zealots and student protests. Student protests would happen if there are no jobs, or the ability to go overseas disappears. Rheostating the Chinese to create tensions among Chinese students would be a great policy. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:19:00 PM EDT
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I just spoke to some expats in HK last night. They had just shipped their kids out of the country to stay with family abroad. They said the police were identifying any teens that participated in the protests and arresting them and their whole families, though it hadn’t made the news. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:19:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personally, I doubt it too. But China is going to be so fucking paranoid about it that their response, if they see anything they think is an indication that things might be going in that direction, might well create the very self-fulfilling prophecy they are so desperate to avoid. I would love to know how much Xi is driving the bus day to day on HK. Just to black swan this, going hard on HK might be the event perceived to eliminate the Mandate of Heaven. The CCP might already perceive this, and is pulling back, especially since the pro-Unification Taiwanese can't spin this positively at all, and the Uigyurs know they are fucked. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:20:16 PM EDT
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Why not focus on the scions of billionaire CCP members when revoking visas to really seed discontent in their garden of assholes? |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:27:49 PM EDT
[#9]
 Clashes erupted at the Chinese University of Hong Kong - BBC News |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:32:46 PM EDT
[#10]
I know it sounds silly and wishful thinking, but I would totally send several ARs, handguns, and cans of ammo to Hong Kong protesters if there were any way to do so.
I just hope that the protesters (most of whom seem to be students) are smart enough to have been reaching out to the criminal underground, and are attempting to arm themselves. Hopefully they have learned some lessons from the students who were killed at Tiannamon Square. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:34:03 PM EDT
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They will wait for a distraction with bigger news elsewhere then wipe out all enemies of people in HK.
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:34:32 PM EDT
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 US calls on China to resolve Hong Kong unrest peacefully: Marc Short |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:36:32 PM EDT
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They will slaughter a decent number of men women and children in Hong Kong and harvest their organs. Those left will be given a choice. Die, or agree to sign a combined apology and loyalty oath to the communist party. Which will probably be a hundred pages long, written by an army of sociopathic lawyers which will basically make anyone who signs it a slave of the party for the rest of their lives, their children's lives and their children's children.
Then cover up the whole thing with lots of positive spin, censorship and corporate cash. Who knows, perhaps the actual body count will be as little as a hundred people. Some people will notice. But nothing will be done. Nothing can be done. One does not go against the party and live. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:38:19 PM EDT
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Post your predictions! Is there a specific trigger point they are waiting for? Like a policeman being killed, or a police station being burned down? Is it just a matter of time? Are they going to be willing to “wait and see” or are they going to crack down soon and try to “nip it in the bud” before it becomes too big to manage? How will they do it? Massive show of military force (like Tiannamom square), or infiltration of lots of plainclothes and undercover to kill protest leaders, etc., or something in between? When that happens, they’ll pull a repeat of Tiananmen Square. Commies like stacking bodies. It’s one of the few things they are actually good at. World class, in fact. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:40:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would I export my leverage? |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:41:32 PM EDT
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I know it sounds silly and wishful thinking, but I would totally send several ARs, handguns, and cans of ammo to Hong Kong protesters if there were any way to do so. I just hope that the protesters (most of whom seem to be students) are smart enough to have been reaching out to the criminal underground, and are attempting to arm themselves. Hopefully they have learned some lessons from the students who were killed at Tiannamon Square. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:43:58 PM EDT
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I'm frankly surprised we haven't seen another hot spot in the world flare up with support of PRC resources and funding in order to take western attention off of HK. I'd expect that to happen first...
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:44:34 PM EDT
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I know it sounds silly and wishful thinking, but I would totally send several ARs, handguns, and cans of ammo to Hong Kong protesters if there were any way to do so. I just hope that the protesters (most of whom seem to be students) are smart enough to have been reaching out to the criminal underground, and are attempting to arm themselves. Hopefully they have learned some lessons from the students who were killed at Tiannamon Square. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:46:20 PM EDT
[#19]
like this....
China gonna china. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:47:54 PM EDT
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Play favorites and exploit their factional rivalries? |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:48:14 PM EDT
[#21]
I think they'll finally crack down using trained wolverines, pepper foggers, and a big Growler loudspeaker.
Problem is they've already passed the tipping point for what will and will not appease the protesters. They're sniffing full-blast American Revolution style freedom and that's worth fighting for. Problem is your average Chinese Communist doesn't exactly put a high value on any human life that is not his own. It'll turn bloody. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:49:06 PM EDT
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I don't think you're alone. I also think if your filibustering became known, you'd have an INTERPOL Red Notice placed on you in record time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know it sounds silly and wishful thinking, but I would totally send several ARs, handguns, and cans of ammo to Hong Kong protesters if there were any way to do so. I just hope that the protesters (most of whom seem to be students) are smart enough to have been reaching out to the criminal underground, and are attempting to arm themselves. Hopefully they have learned some lessons from the students who were killed at Tiannamon Square. I would think lots of suppressed pistols and explosives/detonators would be the best. Allow you to blend in and then cause mayhem. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:52:31 PM EDT
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Who would intervene to stop them?
The USA? Europe won't, Japan won't,Russia won't... Trump might be able to get them to mediate their instinct to muscle this with some trade concessions... A reasonable person might think that China has a reason to negotiate if nothing else than for good will on the global stage...we'll see...I guess |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:53:34 PM EDT
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I wonder what weapons would be the most useful for them? I would think lots of suppressed pistols and explosives/detonators would be the best. Allow you to blend in and then cause mayhem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know it sounds silly and wishful thinking, but I would totally send several ARs, handguns, and cans of ammo to Hong Kong protesters if there were any way to do so. I just hope that the protesters (most of whom seem to be students) are smart enough to have been reaching out to the criminal underground, and are attempting to arm themselves. Hopefully they have learned some lessons from the students who were killed at Tiannamon Square. I would think lots of suppressed pistols and explosives/detonators would be the best. Allow you to blend in and then cause mayhem. 
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:56:44 PM EDT
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They don't have to "crack down" on anything. Identify people, and once things calm down arrest and charge them. Just like our government did with the Bundy Fiasco. A simple exit ban on any identified people (which they already have heavily done) keeps them from running. Time ALWAYS favors the government. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 2:57:48 PM EDT
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All sorts of ways you could play it. Let it be known that the government paid bribes to the colleges to keep them in school. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Play favorites and exploit their factional rivalries? |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:00:05 PM EDT
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I thought I read that Trump let them know that it would be a terrible decision to do anything in Honk Kong. With any luck, they will think long and hard about a crackdown and understand that it has potentially far reaching negative consequences, especially for trade. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As soon as Trump’s out of office With any luck, they will think long and hard about a crackdown and understand that it has potentially far reaching negative consequences, especially for trade. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:04:49 PM EDT
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China's biggest issue here is collateral damage... with very, very valuable collateral. Going in hard could cost them billions (not even considering the international response). HK is the mother of all cash cows for a China. They have to figure out how get the bull out the china shop (pun intended), but there's a bunch of bulls, they move fast, and they're hard to tell apart from the china. Someone posted a really good video on it not long ago. The short of it was that as HK slips to other Chinese cities, their vulnerability increases. The mainland is less and less likely to put up with the shenanigans and poor image with HK playing less of a role economically. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:16:18 PM EDT
[#29]
They are running modern day internment camps and the international community does nothing.
Hong Kongers are on their own, they better act accordingly |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:16:45 PM EDT
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I'm frankly surprised we haven't seen another hot spot in the world flare up with support of PRC resources and funding in order to take western attention off of HK. I'd expect that to happen first... Or the cartel activity in MX? |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:30:51 PM EDT
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It used to be, but I believe it is now down to 4th in GDP for Chinese cities. Someone posted a really good video on it not long ago. The short of it was that as HK slips to other Chinese cities, their vulnerability increases. The mainland is less and less likely to put up with the shenanigans and poor image with HK playing less of a role economically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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China's biggest issue here is collateral damage... with very, very valuable collateral. Going in hard could cost them billions (not even considering the international response). HK is the mother of all cash cows for a China. They have to figure out how get the bull out the china shop (pun intended), but there's a bunch of bulls, they move fast, and they're hard to tell apart from the china. Someone posted a really good video on it not long ago. The short of it was that as HK slips to other Chinese cities, their vulnerability increases. The mainland is less and less likely to put up with the shenanigans and poor image with HK playing less of a role economically. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:31:59 PM EDT
[#32]
I’m gonna go against the grain here and say “parachute assault”.
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:43:10 PM EDT
[#33]
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4xfL8lnEdg/?igshid=r2is8pbmaol6
Give this cat a follow and back up before HK goes black |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:44:39 PM EDT
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You think Iran’s shenanigans are happening in a vacuum? Or the cartel activity in MX? AMLO ran on a platform as an extreme authoritarian where he promised to review contracts which were awarded by Mexico's state oil company Pemex to private companies saying he will check them for 'corruption'. What other authoritarian, Latin American politician ran on a similar platform of carrying out expropriations of privately owned property, businesses and infrastructure (hint: Hugo Chavez). Follow that with AMLO's administration's stand-down on El Chapo's son and subsequent release and now today's report of AMLO offering asylum to Bolivian President Evo Morales... Morales relationship with the PRC is well known and add in the disintegration of the Federal Police to be replaced with a National Guard reporting to some Mexican military officer appointed by dear leader... |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:47:01 PM EDT
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ITT we fully trust the CCPs economic numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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China's biggest issue here is collateral damage... with very, very valuable collateral. Going in hard could cost them billions (not even considering the international response). HK is the mother of all cash cows for a China. They have to figure out how get the bull out the china shop (pun intended), but there's a bunch of bulls, they move fast, and they're hard to tell apart from the china. Someone posted a really good video on it not long ago. The short of it was that as HK slips to other Chinese cities, their vulnerability increases. The mainland is less and less likely to put up with the shenanigans and poor image with HK playing less of a role economically. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:50:38 PM EDT
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I know it sounds silly and wishful thinking, but I would totally send several ARs, handguns, and cans of ammo to Hong Kong protesters if there were any way to do so. I just hope that the protesters (most of whom seem to be students) are smart enough to have been reaching out to the criminal underground, and are attempting to arm themselves. Hopefully they have learned some lessons from the students who were killed at Tiannamon Square.  First Firing of "Liberator" 3D Printed Gun https://3dprint.com/73842/download-3d-printed-gun/ |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:53:13 PM EDT
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Political differential diagnosis for fun...
What if China decides that HK is a cancer and cuts it off completely from the mainland as it's own semi-autonomous state so that they don't risk losing the whole shooting match if HK rebels and lifts the veil on the tenuous grip the party has on the country? |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 3:55:57 PM EDT
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everyone in America should be doing the 'I stand with Hong Kong' bit as the more attention, the more success the have and it limits the Chinese options.
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Posted: 11/12/2019 4:00:24 PM EDT
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Post your predictions! Is there a specific trigger point they are waiting for? Like a policeman being killed, or a police station being burned down? Is it just a matter of time? Are they going to be willing to "wait and see" or are they going to crack down soon and try to "nip it in the bud" before it becomes too big to manage? How will they do it? Massive show of military force (like Tiannamom square), or infiltration of lots of plainclothes and undercover to kill protest leaders, etc., or something in between? |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 4:19:33 PM EDT
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ITT we fully trust the CCPs economic numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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China's biggest issue here is collateral damage... with very, very valuable collateral. Going in hard could cost them billions (not even considering the international response). HK is the mother of all cash cows for a China. They have to figure out how get the bull out the china shop (pun intended), but there's a bunch of bulls, they move fast, and they're hard to tell apart from the china. Someone posted a really good video on it not long ago. The short of it was that as HK slips to other Chinese cities, their vulnerability increases. The mainland is less and less likely to put up with the shenanigans and poor image with HK playing less of a role economically. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 4:19:50 PM EDT
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Mexico is what concerns me. Call me crazy here but I'm wondering if the attack wasn't state approved. The Mormon colonies in Mexico sit on multi-generational tracts of land, water rights, mineral rights, infrastructure, and in the case of this particular group: pecan orchards. As more of these families start to abandon their homes and property, it would be much simpler for the AMLO administration to conduct land expropriation activities in order to facilitate the expansion PRC/PLA interests. After all, the Mormon's did abandon all these resources... AMLO ran on a platform as an extreme authoritarian where he promised to review contracts which were awarded by Mexico's state oil company Pemex to private companies saying he will check them for 'corruption'. What other authoritarian, Latin American politician ran on a similar platform of carrying out expropriations of privately owned property, businesses and infrastructure (hint: Hugo Chavez). Follow that with AMLO's administration's stand-down on El Chapo's son and subsequent release and now today's report of AMLO offering asylum to Bolivian President Evo Morales... Morales relationship with the PRC is well known and add in the disintegration of the Federal Police to be replaced with a National Guard reporting to some Mexican military officer appointed by dear leader... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You think Iran’s shenanigans are happening in a vacuum? Or the cartel activity in MX? AMLO ran on a platform as an extreme authoritarian where he promised to review contracts which were awarded by Mexico's state oil company Pemex to private companies saying he will check them for 'corruption'. What other authoritarian, Latin American politician ran on a similar platform of carrying out expropriations of privately owned property, businesses and infrastructure (hint: Hugo Chavez). Follow that with AMLO's administration's stand-down on El Chapo's son and subsequent release and now today's report of AMLO offering asylum to Bolivian President Evo Morales... Morales relationship with the PRC is well known and add in the disintegration of the Federal Police to be replaced with a National Guard reporting to some Mexican military officer appointed by dear leader... Oh, the Chinese do love pecans, too. I worked a pecan farm a long time ago, and the Chinese were the biggest customers. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 4:22:25 PM EDT
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They will play the long game. Wait until its no longer in the limelight then they will slowly take over with the "soft" approach. Then when its blows up again it will be too late. Within two-three years before its game over for HK.
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Posted: 11/12/2019 4:24:10 PM EDT
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China’s biggest issue here is collateral damage... with very, very valuable collateral. Going in hard could cost them billions (not even considering the international response). HK is the mother of all cash cows for a China. They have to figure out how get the bull out the china shop (pun intended), but there’s a bunch of bulls, they move fast, and they’re hard to tell apart from the china. If the Chinese had a big enough neutron bomb they could airburst over Hong Kong to wipe out everyone without destroying anything, I'm sure they'd use it. Hong Kong is full of those trash Cantonese speakers instead of proper Mandarin speakers anyway. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 4:30:14 PM EDT
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Hong Kong is a huge business hub for the United States.
They’re scared of President Trump because they have no idea to what extent he would go. If they started killing people, who knows what President Trump would do. It would hurt, that we can say for sure. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 4:41:21 PM EDT
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Hong Kong is a huge business hub for the United States. They’re scared of President Trump because they have no idea to what extent he would go. If they started killing people, who knows what President Trump would do. It would hurt, that we can say for sure. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 11:47:47 PM EDT
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The Chinese will wait decades.
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Posted: 11/12/2019 11:54:57 PM EDT
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I’m in Hong Kong for a few days right now. There was tear gas in central yesterday.
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Posted: 11/12/2019 11:56:39 PM EDT
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From what I've been watching I'm not so sure that's the case. Hong Kong's importance is way down w/ the other special economic zone cities like Shenzhen they've created. |
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Posted: 11/12/2019 11:59:49 PM EDT
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I don't know, HK isn't Kashmir, it's a First World "nation" with a lot of tech, comms, and a really porous border. |
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Posted: 11/13/2019 12:04:14 AM EDT
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Heard there's at least 10 or 11 provinces inside China right now that want to break away as well. We're only hearing about HK right now, everything else is being heavily suppressed in China. China has its hands full..
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