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Posted: 12/13/2019 5:31:17 PM EDT
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A kid is diagnosed as Autistic when they are not functional. A kid is "on the spectrum" if they are functional to some degree. Rain Man, the character was "on the spectrum" , Asbergers is "on the spectrum" though somewhere in the 2nd 5th.
When I taught HS, I had kids that were very low on the spectrum and Some that were pretty high. It's the middle of the road gifs that you should be afraid of. Contrary to popular belief that can be "normal" on minute and extremely violent the next when something sets them off. It's not about being politically correct, or making parents feel good (I don't know any parent that would want an Autistic kid any more than a parent would want one with Downs Syndrome) it's about the severity of the condition. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 5:36:16 PM EDT
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iirc, the definition in the DSM changed because autism is manifested "on a spectrum" and isn't binary like "you're infected with rhinovirus" or "you're not infected with rhinovirus" It's not feel-good, it's a more accurate description of autism, because many people are "autistic" but wholly functional, while others are cripplingly autistic Ex-wife works in Special Ed. specializing in kids with genuine and severe autism. The one positive thing I will say about her is that she is truly gifted with the ability to get through to autistic kids and help them. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 5:37:43 PM EDT
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 Autistic Reporter, Michael Falk, Enchanted By Prison's Rigid Routine |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 5:39:04 PM EDT
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Have you seen some of the shit boomers post here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where are all the Autistic senior citizens? Where are the middle aged Autists? 
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Posted: 12/13/2019 5:41:47 PM EDT
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Im just realizing Ive never seen someone with "autism" who was older than early 20's. They all get locked in a group home when they get kicked off their parents insurance at 27? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where are all the Autistic senior citizens? Where are the middle aged Autists? |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 5:48:27 PM EDT
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Back in MY day, physics only consisted of atoms, and by gone that's the way we liked it! You kids with your electrons, and all this quark business, liberal conspiracy I tells ya!
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Posted: 12/13/2019 5:51:02 PM EDT
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... being "on the spectrum"? Aren't they either autistic or not? Is "on the spectrum" just a euphemism to make mommies feel better? I understand there are different degrees of autism, so maybe that's what the "spectrum" is about. There are degrees of the common cold, too, so if your kid has a cold, is he "on the cold spectrum"? I'm not being rude or insensitive ... I'm just reacting to the double-talk and feel-good language we seem to have to have these days. I never heard the phrase "on the spectrum" until about a year ago, so is it a change in the disorder or just a change in terminology? Once they merged the two, they needed a term to describe "just how Autistic your kid is", so they created a Spectrum. Its like a rainbow, only without all the colors. And EVERYONE is on it. If you're totally Neuro-typical, you're still on the SPECTRUM. You get a spectrum. YOU get a spectrum, EVERYONE gets a spectrum. Schools love that juicy $$$ for all those IEP kids. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 5:54:23 PM EDT
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Im just realizing Ive never seen someone with "autism" who was older than early 20's. They all get locked in a group home when they get kicked off their parents insurance at 27? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where are all the Autistic senior citizens? Where are the middle aged Autists? Besides that, go read the traits of autism and tell me you've never met anyone exhibiting at least some of them that wasn't a kid. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:02:04 PM EDT
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When they got rid of the distinctions between "asperger's" and "Autism". Once they merged the two, they needed a term to describe "just how Autistic your kid is", so they created a Spectrum. Its like a rainbow, only without all the colors. And EVERYONE is on it. If you're totally Neuro-typical, you're still on the SPECTRUM. You get a spectrum. YOU get a spectrum, EVERYONE gets a spectrum. Schools love that juicy $$$ for all those IEP kids. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... being "on the spectrum"? Aren't they either autistic or not? Is "on the spectrum" just a euphemism to make mommies feel better? I understand there are different degrees of autism, so maybe that's what the "spectrum" is about. There are degrees of the common cold, too, so if your kid has a cold, is he "on the cold spectrum"? I'm not being rude or insensitive ... I'm just reacting to the double-talk and feel-good language we seem to have to have these days. I never heard the phrase "on the spectrum" until about a year ago, so is it a change in the disorder or just a change in terminology? Once they merged the two, they needed a term to describe "just how Autistic your kid is", so they created a Spectrum. Its like a rainbow, only without all the colors. And EVERYONE is on it. If you're totally Neuro-typical, you're still on the SPECTRUM. You get a spectrum. YOU get a spectrum, EVERYONE gets a spectrum. Schools love that juicy $$$ for all those IEP kids. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:03:43 PM EDT
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When they started giving vaccines to 6mo babies |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:06:00 PM EDT
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A kid is diagnosed as Autistic when they are not functional. A kid is "on the spectrum" if they are functional to some degree. Rain Man, the character was "on the spectrum" , Asbergers is "on the spectrum" though somewhere in the 2nd 5th. When I taught HS, I had kids that were very low on the spectrum and Some that were pretty high. It's the middle of the road gifs that you should be afraid of. Contrary to popular belief that can be "normal" on minute and extremely violent the next when something sets them off. It's not about being politically correct, or making parents feel good (I don't know any parent that would want an Autistic kid any more than a parent would want one with Downs Syndrome) it's about the severity of the condition. Let me introduce you to the shitbaggery known as qualified public housing, SS/DI, medicare/Medicaid family caregiver payments, etc. Can't get in with a real disease, doctor shop for an easily faked one half the schools (who get more funding for having special needs kids) are willing to support. No precise definition, no clear cut tests, mostly done by subjective observation. PS, Just to be clear: I have patients who are mentally obliterated on 24/7 life support being kept alive because they are the families income stream. Now compare that to some quack diagnosis of autism. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:07:02 PM EDT
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Besides that, go read the traits of autism and tell me you've never met anyone exhibiting at least some of them that wasn't a kid.  first time I read the symptoms of autism, I panicked, I was like “holy shit, I have 20% of the symptoms, am I autistic?”
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:08:34 PM EDT
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Little Johnny isn’t stupid, he’s just on the spectrum. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:13:28 PM EDT
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As the parent of an autistic and epileptic 20 year old who is never gonna be able to live on his own, I'd like to give a big friendly "fuck you" to everyone who thinks the autism spectrum isn't a thing. That is all.  |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:15:16 PM EDT
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My wife has “come from the units” as a teacher aide and is now a staff training coordinator at a developmental disability institute. In my limited times there, and my companies work in group homes I can surely attest to the fact that autism has a broad reach. Some are what’s considered low functioning and some are high, to a guy like me it’s the social inadequacy that revels them.
Staff that dedicate themselves to helping are grossly underpaid, overworked and typically subject to bites, slaps, fists and sometimes severe injury. The ones that break my wife’s heart are identical twins where 1 is a successful business man and the other has severe autism and can’t tell when he’s about to shit his pants and start eating it. It’s a horrible illness/condition, and the severity differs greatly across the board. She has “individuals “ that have memorized the phone book in its entirety, but think a pint of milk costs a million dollars. My issue rests in the classification of shitbird kids and bad parenting skills that result in off behaviors where parents want to assign blame. True autism is a merciless and unrelenting horror to all involved and some of the “on the spectrum” diagnoses are an insult to those families dealing with true hardcore cases |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:16:51 PM EDT
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Because Autism stopped being perceived as a strict disorder, and starting being seen as a spectrum with a wide range of various impairments.
Following the publishing of the DSM-IV, it was noted as a spectrum, and with the DSM-5 in 2013 the term “Autism Spectrum Disorder” was solidified. That’s when Aspergers went away, and ASD was new norm. As with all this stuff it’s constantly evolving. -A total aspie |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:18:12 PM EDT
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Twelve out of every ten children in America are "on the spectrum." |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:19:50 PM EDT
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People either do, or don't have autism. Even someone at the lowest end of "the spectrum" of autism, has to have autism. So it is still either a positive or negative determination of whether or not they have autism.
Using a spectrum for autism is no different than using as spectrum for cancer, burns, broken bones, and other disorders. To be rated anywhere on the spectrum, someone still has to have autism. It is only degrees of severity or description of the type. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:24:26 PM EDT
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Where are all the Autistic senior citizens? Where are the middle aged Autists? Mental health? In home ihss care? Senior living care? Special needs group homes? In the ER waiting room? Homeless under a bridge? County lockup or prison? I doubt you spend much time at any locations that might house a middle aged autistic person. Therefore, you don’t see them. It doesn’t mean they don’t exist. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:32:25 PM EDT
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...... These days, I'm wondering how many total kids are "on the spectrum" mainly for that sweet sweet SSI money (I know of two). And there has to be a social service agency to manage the social worker that monitors the child. Forever. Mo’ money. And specialists to evaluate. And do yearly followup. Mo’ money. Through all that let’s hope that some good comes to the individual child. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:34:50 PM EDT
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When the doctors had parents saying "My child has various colors of light shining out of their ass! What does it mean?" Then the doctors said "Your child is on the spectrum." |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:40:16 PM EDT
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Twelve out of every ten children in America are "on the spectrum." |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:41:20 PM EDT
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When the become a politician.
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:49:57 PM EDT
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Same here. Ill keep your family in my prayers. Breaks my heart knowing my beautiful little daughter won't ever live a normal life. 
There are few things I truly hate but autism is one of them. It's a torturous disorder, especially because there's so little sympathy out in the world for sufferers and caring for them over the years is so difficult. We're lucky though; We have a friend with a severely autistic son who is 12, in diapers and still not talking. Our son's autism isn't nearly as bad. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:58:00 PM EDT
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... being "on the spectrum"? Aren't they either autistic or not? Is "on the spectrum" just a euphemism to make mommies feel better? I understand there are different degrees of autism, so maybe that's what the "spectrum" is about. There are degrees of the common cold, too, so if your kid has a cold, is he "on the cold spectrum"? I'm not being rude or insensitive ... I'm just reacting to the double-talk and feel-good language we seem to have to have these days. I never heard the phrase "on the spectrum" until about a year ago, so is it a change in the disorder or just a change in terminology? Though I do not work in a setting that specializes in it, I have had the opportunity to teach quite a number of kids who have Autism Spectrum Disorder diagnoses. One of the things that you learn when you work with or interact with many different individuals with the diagnosis is that while there are some characteristics that are frequently present, the presentation is very different. The difference is not really as simple as categorical levels of severity as you suggest (though there are certainly individuals whose Autism can have a more or less serious impact). |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:59:08 PM EDT
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We are all on the spectrum. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 7:16:12 PM EDT
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Our son is Autistic. Developmentally delayed. Non verbal. Severe sensory disorder... Maybe a dozen other diagnosis. He's 11 and has the mental and physical abilities of an 18 month old.
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Posted: 12/13/2019 7:16:45 PM EDT
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Autistic, same as Retarded ?
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Posted: 12/13/2019 7:37:15 PM EDT
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The last DSM had several diagnoses, including Autism, Asperger's, Rett's Disorder, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder and PDD-NOS (Has the symptoms of one or more of the other diagnoses but doesn't meet the criteria for any of them). DSM-V acknowledges that Autism manifests on a spectrum so they changed the diagnosis to "Autism Spectrum Disorder" with severity levels 1-3, with three being the most severe. This diagnosis includes the former diagnoses of Autism, Asperger's and PDD-NOS. Rett's Syndrome was moved to a different category and Childhood Disintegrative Disorder no longer exists. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 7:41:22 PM EDT
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Where are all the Autistic senior citizens? Where are the middle aged Autists? ETA: Diagnosed in 1975; Asperger's wasn't a thing yet. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 7:42:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im just realizing Ive never seen someone with "autism" who was older than early 20's. They all get locked in a group home when they get kicked off their parents insurance at 27? |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 7:49:02 PM EDT
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When they got all the mom's on psych drugs they had a free hand going after the kids...
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Posted: 12/13/2019 8:30:40 PM EDT
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Years ago, (not really spectrum related) my little boy was drawing pictured of him and his brother shooting guns, playing Star Wars or similar. The female teachers and the female psych nurse, the female prinicipal all had a fit and made us take him to a therapist. They wanted to put him on ritilan too because he had too much energy in the classroom. I imagine, could be wrong, a lot of the kids they think are on the "spectrum" aren't that bad until they load them up with drugs. ymmv
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Posted: 12/13/2019 8:43:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2019 8:56:04 PM EDT
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Where are all the Autistic senior citizens? Where are the middle aged Autists? My soon to be uncle-in-law is in his 50s. On good days he makes messes. On rough days he wears a helmet. On bad days he gets a faceshield added to the helmet and often huge padded mittens tied on. When his sister and her husband die, he will be put in a home. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 9:09:57 PM EDT
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In locked group homes because their parents either gave up or died. Really. My soon to be uncle-in-law is in his 50s. On good days he makes messes. On rough days he wears a helmet. On bad days he gets a faceshield added to the helmet and often huge padded mittens tied on. When his sister and her husband die, he will be put in a home. Are you marrying a woman with a mentally disabled uncle? |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 9:24:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is it giving up if the special needs/ autistic adult is put in an assisted living facility locked or otherwise? Are you marrying a woman with a mentally disabled uncle? My wife to be grew up with the uncle her parents have cared for since before she was born. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 9:26:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThese days, I'm wondering how many total kids are "on the spectrum" mainly for that sweet sweet SSI money (I know of two). A TRUE autistic kid is a handful. Edited to remove a too harsh statement. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 9:32:07 PM EDT
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That was last year brother. Now it's thirteen out of every ten 
I have a nephew who is autistic, and my sister is a fucking saint. No idea how she didn't pull her hair out years ago. It's been a hard journey, that's for sure. These days, I'm wondering how many total kids are "on the spectrum" mainly for that sweet sweet SSI money (I know of two). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Twelve out of every ten children in America are "on the spectrum." Now it's thirteen out of every ten
I have a nephew who is autistic, and my sister is a fucking saint. No idea how she didn't pull her hair out years ago. It's been a hard journey, that's for sure. These days, I'm wondering how many total kids are "on the spectrum" mainly for that sweet sweet SSI money (I know of two). My boy is assburgers level on the spectrum. There ain't any paycheck coming in for THAT. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 9:32:31 PM EDT
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Twelve out of every ten children in America are "on the spectrum." |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 9:35:46 PM EDT
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Yes, but there are many levels of cancer, too ... even within specific types of cancer (Stage 2, Stage 4, etc.). And the same can be said of many conditions and diseases. Yet you hear that terminology only with autism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's one in the same. Saying "on the spectrum" just implies (rightly so) that there are many levels of functioning with autism. I hear different stages of cancer mentioned all the time. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 9:36:48 PM EDT
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Have you seen some of the shit boomers post here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where are all the Autistic senior citizens? Where are the middle aged Autists? 
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Posted: 12/13/2019 9:37:35 PM EDT
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Where are all the Autistic senior citizens? Where are the middle aged Autists? |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 9:53:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back then they were just retarded. But we can't say that anymore. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 9:55:46 PM EDT
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Where are all the Autistic senior citizens? Where are the middle aged Autists? It is very common to meet the parents of a kid with Autism and to realize the apple didn't fall too far from the tree. It also seems that the severity tends to get worse in new generations. It makes me think it could be an environmental factor or maybe maybe it's just accumulation of whatever causes Autism, over the generations. Also, Autism is a tricky differential diagnosis. In many people, the manifestation of Autism is so similar to ADHD that the person is diagnosed with ADHD, instead of Autism. Also, a huge percentage of people with Autism have other co-morbid mental disorders, and often those get identified, rather than an Autism diagnosis. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 10:17:10 PM EDT
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Well....we are all on a spectrum. 0-100.
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Posted: 12/13/2019 10:21:44 PM EDT
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Let me ask you, how many vaccines are you willing to take? Watch a regular news channel and watch all the BigPharma ads on vax. You would be a pin cushion if you took all the recommended vaccines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/13/2019 10:36:19 PM EDT
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Fuck, I wish. My boy is assburgers level on the spectrum. There ain't any paycheck coming in for THAT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Twelve out of every ten children in America are "on the spectrum." Now it's thirteen out of every ten
I have a nephew who is autistic, and my sister is a fucking saint. No idea how she didn't pull her hair out years ago. It's been a hard journey, that's for sure. These days, I'm wondering how many total kids are "on the spectrum" mainly for that sweet sweet SSI money (I know of two). My boy is assburgers level on the spectrum. There ain't any paycheck coming in for THAT. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 10:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These days, I'm wondering how many total kids are "on the spectrum" mainly for that sweet sweet SSI money (I know of two). |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 10:54:01 PM EDT
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Also, Autism is a tricky differential diagnosis. In many people, the manifestation of Autism is so similar to ADHD that the person is diagnosed with ADHD, instead of Autism. Also, a huge percentage of people with Autism have other co-morbid mental disorders, and often those get identified, rather than an Autism diagnosis. |
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