The non-disclosure disclosure could have a tactical benefit if it is predicted we might have to use a very advanced piece of technology in an uncontrolled environment (war).

Say, for example, the U2 was remotely piloted in 1960 and it was shot down over the Soviet Union.  Eisenhower would have relished the opportunity to claim it was not only NOT ours, but was probably alien and that we also had been experiencing violations of our airspace. Oh, and those aliens are assholes.

Further, if you let out enough bread crumbs (or be overt and state where the alien tech is being stored: X-Y-Z Corporation) then you can bet it will be something that foreign powers won't be able to resist.

China has back doors installed in who knows what.  If you know someone is going to try and break into your facility you could really gain valuable information about our vulnerabilities before the first shots are fired.  Also, if it is private corporations that have this stuff then it would only be corporate espionage being committed by China, not a provocative state-on-state incursion.  

Many of us think there's a battle taking place within .gov and Aerospace contractors. Those running the programs with recovered vehicles want things to continue as they are.

Others in DoD and other agencies want controlled disclosure to the public. I would place Mellon, Elizondo, Gorsch, etc in this second group. Some think Elizondo never really left government service but instead is filling his assigned role in pushing for disclosure.  He has stated many times that he doesn't want to see anyone prosecuted for hiding this all these years or sidestepping oversight. I think this is the right approach.

We live in interesting times and I'm now thinking more revelations are coming sooner rather than later

I hope you're right, but I've been disappointed more than once in the last few years. When we saw a purported info leak, I was thinking that certainly a breakthrough in disclosure must be imminent, then... crickets.

EDIT:
Last link was a bust.  You can watch interview live here:

https://www.twitch.tv/kingmilkfart

^^^ thanks!

Just a stream of some guy yelling at his screen. Anyone else?

I edited the above post with a new link.

That is right out of the DR. Who series.

Is this a joke?

No. I was able to watch about the last half of the interview on that link.

Exactly. Most people accept that helicopters exist, but most of humanity has never touched one or held a part of one.

 Watch all the committee members portfolios. When they sell all their stocks that’s a flag. Can you imagine the day disclosure happens? The stock market will crash to the circuit breakers for a few days is my guess. Then they will buy back all their positions for pennies on the dollar. They stock market will soar with the new anticipation of all the new technologies.

Full interview



After interview discussion

Key points:

-Grusch followed all the correct whistleblower procedures.  ICIG considers his claim "Urgent and credible".  Went public because he was facing retaliation.  Confirms people have been murdered to keep this secret.  Spent 4 years making sure he wasn't being fed bullshit.
-He told Sean Kirkpatrick (AARO) everything but was never followed up with.  AARO seems like bullshit.
-First craft crashed in Italy in 1933 and was recovered by us after the war.  Vatican involved.
-China/Russia have also recovered craft and have been trying to reverse engineer.
-Hints at some sort of agreement made between NHI and U.S. that could affect "future of humanity."  Possibly related to nukes.  Malmstrom incident with UAP turning off nukes actually happened.
-NHI aren't benevolent.  Hints people have been killed.
-Interdimensional aspects to travel or origin, not traditional "traversing outer space".
-We have fired on craft and "there are methods to bring them down."
-Strong hints that bodies/live "pilots" have been recovered.
-Coordinated disinformation campaign has been ongoing for decades to confuse the public.

He is saying a lot of the same things Elizondo has strongly hinted at.  I think a lot of the "he seems like a liar" comments are stemming from the fact that he's an awkward geeky intel guy who isn't very personable.  He strikes me as the type who would be the annoying guy at work that nobody wants to grab a beer with.  That doesn't mean he's lying.

Excellent summary.

After seeing the whole interview, I believe him. I’ve been a geek and in IT for 35, and people with his mannerisms are something im accustomed to seeing.

Whatever else is true/false with this story the above in bold is very plausible.  Many people forget that there are a lot of people out there who are very functional but have some form of social disorder.

I'm one of the types who wants more concrete evidence than has been shown so far before I make up my mind, but I've yet to see any evidence that he is lying either.

Of the whole interview these stick out to me most. Probably because Im viewing the UFO thing through a Biblical lens. The vatican has been involved in UFOlogy for a while. 10-15yrs ago their public acceptance of possible alien brothers out there, Fatima and their keen interest in outer space having their own telescope.....

The concrete evidence is what he's trying to get Congress to dig up.  He told them the defense contractor, the program name, and the gatekeepers.  He's not cleared to share the documents, photos, and details with the public.

Honestly, if he showed up with all of that, it would actually seem like disinformation because there's no way he'd have authorization to spill everything if he followed the correct whistleblower procedure.

what is NHI?

Non-human Intelligence.

"Aliens" come with the "from another planet in outer space" stigma and that may not be accurate.

I figured it was Aliens but the acronym threw me.

There is new language and terms being developed for disclosure to try to distinguish whats new from the stigmatized terms of the past.

UAP; Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
USP; Unidentified Submersible Phenomena
NHI; Non Human Intelligence
Ultraterrestrial; NHI originating from Earth
Extra dimensional; outside of our observable universe

I was watching this main video and upon refreshing it, it disappeared.

There was some discussion about the body language "experts" opinions on his testimony in prior clips and I commented on his likely high intelligence just resulting in awkward social skills.  Last night, I caught the fact that he went to college on a physics scholarship, so that probably explains a lot.  I've known a few people that smart and none had normal social skills.

For some reason it was taken down.  It was on their official channel.

For those looking for you the now private YouTube of the Coulthart/Grusch interview, it is still hosted on NewsNations website click below.#ufotwitter https://t.co/vdR5CJNlxj

Sean Cahill  (@mintyhyperspace) June 12, 2023

Thanks for the link.
I'm using it to share among friends - it's worth it.

I'm ready to be disappointed again but at 55 and having followed these development for years, I feel this is a credible buildup of events in line with the recent developments of the past few years.

(I believe it was taken down by the news channel in order to not simply gift Youtube with million of views for free - they'd rather build traffic on their own platform, probably)

PS Fuck YouTube

I've watched the Grusch interview several times, he seems rather technically and scientifically aloof which leads me to an idea that he could be misled.

The way he says "Fissile" as "Fizzle" his uncertain wording of image analysis, chemical/elemental seems like something he is guessing or trying to remember/understand which should have been more properly understood by him in order  to arrive at the conclusion he did.

I would have guessed he would have made a better attempt to better understand in order to validate his witnesses.

Not saying its not true, it seems peculiar.  Having worked closely with the NRO many years ago, I'd think he would have a better technological understanding to get this role.  I think his background or lack thereof makes him more easily duped and perhaps on purpose.   He's no J Allen Hynek as far as science goes.

When someone with the background he supposedly has pronounces “nuclear” as “nukular” like GWB it makes me wonder.

Not saying it necessarily makes a difference to his credibility but it is off putting.

Maybe a lot of physicists and nuke people say it that way, idk.

Sooo..... watching what I can so far (which is limited).

He seems to have a minor speech impediment, which could contribute to some minor off sounding words.  

Assuming he is a former NGA/NRO bubba, he likely did not have much contact with chemical/elemental stuff in person and thus I'd agree that he is more likely trying to remember what he heard vs what he worked with directly.  Most people who work for NGA/NRO are not scientists or engineers.

The news agency talking heads are effing morons and have a good chance of tainting any perception of him by their idiocy.  Some of their 'analysis' on what he was saying was painful to listen to.

I get more impression that he has a little bit of a social issue as I watch more of him.  Not a hit at his legitimacy I've seen far smarter people who had much worse social issues); just an observation.

"Maybe a lot of physicists and nuke people say it that way, idk."  One would be surprised how often things in certain areas get mispronounced by people who deal with those same things routinely.

I'm old - but in the 80s/90s NRO employees were usually PhDs of some sort and usually worked alongside intelligent peers.  That "was" a Space agency so you would expect someone to be as qualified as they would at NASA.  I suppose given the "current" crop of people entering the leadership at agencies like NASA, CIA, they get some weak science candidates - A degree in social justice versus physics probably matters more.

I never met a physics professional or anyone that worked alongside physics people ever pronounce the word nuclear as "New-Cue-Leer" it was always "new-clear" that was always a sure sign someone was outside their area.

When you get non-science people talking to other persons that are at a managerial or close to other managerial non-science types in a position to make conjecture you could conceivably get a rumor mill that would go unvalidated.  A guy in charge of physicists who doesn't know squat about physics says they were working on a "reactor" but doesn't know squat might have also been misled or only knows some part and fills in the blanks - they have no means to intellectually challenege rumor with sceince facts.  

That isn't proof but seen lots of folks repeat misinformation when they don't know for themselves.

I could however see a project hidden - particularly if the parties were personally certain that the release of information might cause serious harm to society.  There are those that understand that to  "know the truth is to be responsible for it" - and letting things out of the bag is simply not all the happiness and harmony people want it to be.  

While I understand your points, I'm going to cut the guy a little slack for being in his first-ever television interview that will likely be seen by millions, telling a story that will make his life extremely difficult and have a shit ton of people calling him a liar or crazy.

The guy’s education, I can’t find info on.  But his career seems damn impressive for a 36yo.

Bryce Zabel gives an interview on how the story developed and his personal take on Grusch.

gotcha.
I new most of those.
I find the USP's absolutely fascinating.

It would also revolutionize the storage industry.

Hell, if that was real tech that can be reverse engineered and offered affordably, imagine what it would do for housing.

Outwardly, you live in a shoe box.  Inside, it's Yellowstone ranch.

To be honest, among some organizations it's not as uncommon as it used to be.  Job hopping to get a promotion is becoming more common, and sometimes you get lucky in having the people above you all retire around the same time.  NGA also seems to be one of the organizations I have worked with who do a better job of recognizing talent rather than just time in position or who you know.

Pentagon whistleblower says the Vatican is aware of the existence of non-human intelligences and helped the US retrieve a downed UFO from Italian dictator Mussolini at the end of WW2
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12189773/Pentagon-whistleblower-says-Vatican-aware-existence-non-human-intelligences.html

A Pentagon whistleblower has claimed the Vatican is aware of the existence of non-human intelligences and helped the US retrieve a downed UFO from Italian dictator Benito Mussolini at the end of the Second World War.
David Grusch, 36, served 14 years in the Air Force and is a decorated Afghanistan combat officer who worked for the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO).
His role was to act as the NRO's representative when dealing with the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force. The task force was specifically set up to investigate UFOs.

Grusch said the first recovery of a space ship was in Magenta, Italy in 1933 and was held by Mussolini's Italian government until 1944-1945 when Pope Pius XII tipped America off about it.

He said the UFO was partially intact and held at a secure airbase until the US retrieved it following the collapse of the fascist Italian regime.

'1933 was the first recovery in Europe, in Magenta, Italy,' he told News Nation.

'They recovered a partially intact vehicle, and the Italian government moved it to a secure airbase in Italy until around 1944-1945.

'The Pope back-channelled that, and told the American's what the Italians had and we ended up scooping it.'

Grusch was then asked to clarify whether the Catholic Church was aware of 'non-human' existence on earth and he replied: 'Certainly'.

And on why his claims should be believed, he said: 'I have the credentials, and I was an intelligence officer.'

He added that UFO sightings in Italy during Mussolini's dictatorship are widely known.

Grusch went on to claim that first-hand accounts of sightings made by the dictator's men at the time contain 'crude' drawings which look like alien space ships.

During his interview, he said he wasn't able to provide evidence to his claims because the documents and data were 'classified'.

'It's extremely nuts that humanity as a whole . . . hasn't been benefiting from broad research on this,' he said.

'It could solve propulsion, energy issues, novel material science that can improve people's quality of life.

'It's just totally nuts how it is being protected and prohibits progress.

Grusch has also alleged that the the US is in an arms race with Russia and China to understand the extra-terrestrial life.

In recent comments, he said the 'non human' intelligences have acted with malevolence - and even killed some humans.

'I think the logical fallacy there is because they're advanced, they're kind. We'll never really understand their full intent and that's because we're not them.

'But I think what appears to be malevolent activity has happened.

'That's based on nuclear site probing activities and witness testimony.

This quote has stuck with me lately.

“The opposite of good is not evil, the opposite of good is indifference.” -Abraham Joshua Heschel

The entities seem indifferent at best or malevolent, not just to humans, but to our animals, and their own kind who they seem to abandon without regard.  They appear to have a radically different attitude or morality that much of humanity holds in esteem.

We have enough trouble with different moral or cultural beliefs between human groups.  How can we ever have a relationship with beings that don’t think like us?

For millennia we have been holding empathy as a virtue.  But what if that’s what makes us radically different?

Don't they also have a giant telescope named Lucifer? (Going off memory, I may be way wrong)

One could say they treat us the same way we treat animals used in lab experiments.  Are we any better in that regard?

This is a bad argument to make.  

This raises an eyebrow as if he is quoting details from a source that is genuinely still classified and he has not been given authorization to speak on them publicly, then he is in fact not following established whistleblower laws which he claims he is following.  It would also put the claim that all of this is being kept from the government by some company or other into question, as a company cannot legally classify a document w/o govt oversight and approval.  

I suppose there may be some explanation for the second point I'm unaware of, but right now I'm a bit more suspicious.

Attached File

Attached File

Attached File

At first blush this looks legit.  However, doing a little more looking at it...

-Why is he using ODNI letterhead when this appears to be written by his personal attorneys and directed to the ODNI IG (if anything it should have "Compass Rose Legal Group" letterhead)?
-I'm looking at the ODNI IG letterhead right now.  It doesn't match the ODNI letterhead shown.
-Maybe this is an oddity of ODNI, but who/where/what is this document actually address to?  It's directed to the ODNI IG in the body and has ODNI letterhead (see above), but there is no official information as to who this is supposed to be directed to unless there are parts of this document missing.   An address/TO block is common on such documents to the point that not having it seems very off, and an offices letterhead is not a 'TO' block.  I know it may sound like I'm belaboring the issue, but such things are very important when you are talking govt legal documents and I'd find it odd for them to be overlooked by legitimate attorneys.
-Why are they not referencing his DoD IG case number?

There are things that could explain each of the above (mostly sloppiness on his attorney's part or missing parts of this document) independently, but combined it kind of comes off as 'not right'.

Considering that's a copy provided to George Knapp for public consumption, it's natural to assume the things you are pointing out were redacted.

Good point.

Some of us have empathy towards other species.  Hopefully they are capable of it.