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Posted: 6/21/2018 12:54:41 PM EDT
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that first post thing...
Maybe 3 billion less people |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 12:54:48 PM EDT
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Don't know who would win but it'd be some damn good entertainment
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Posted: 6/21/2018 12:56:53 PM EDT
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This board needs a WOPR.
...and, FPNI |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 12:57:11 PM EDT
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We would win.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 12:58:24 PM EDT
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My money is on China. Not that they don't have issues, but they probably can kick any of their neighbor's asses in a big conventional conflict.
I'd rather see China and Russia go at it like it was 1969. 50th anniversary border war! |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 12:59:03 PM EDT
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You might be surprised at how competent India’s Air Force is. That said- Arabs vs Asians...so, yeah, China.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:00:56 PM EDT
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You might be surprised at how competent India’s Air Force is. That said- Arabs vs Asians...so, yeah, China. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:02:55 PM EDT
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Whoever the US Sides with wins. I think India has tha much better strategic advantage. More coastline relative to landmass, lots of people that don’t give a fuck about “honor” or any such cultural dilemmas, they’re pretty much used to eating nothing so logistics is streamlined, and they’re blacker which I’m sure translates to running faster and jumping higher and dodging bullets and sheit Unless China militarizes cows, then China 100% |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:04:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indians are Arabs now? |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:05:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indians are Arabs now? |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:06:55 PM EDT
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You might be surprised at how competent India’s Air Force is. That said- Arabs vs Asians...so, yeah, China. Each time I walked away from a discussion I had a feeling that I had encountered someone that would be my superior in any walk of life outside of a chance meeting |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:08:55 PM EDT
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Well I did see a bunch of Indians beat a bear to death with sticks so
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:12:51 PM EDT
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China.
The chinese have no problem killing anything that protests, barks, or slithers in their way. From personal experience, chinese women are pretty bossy! |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:14:10 PM EDT
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India, they have the power of biological warfare |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve met a couple of Indian aviators in my time, and while I didn’t fly with them, I found them to be very astute and intelligent individuals. Absolute professionals. Each time I walked away from a discussion I had a feeling that I had encountered someone that would be my superior in any walk of life outside of a chance meeting |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:19:39 PM EDT
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Who would you root for?
I’d back India, because they seem less of a threat to us in the long run. I don’t believe they want to take over the world. But, they’d probably get their asses handed to them by the ChiComs. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:19:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've met a couple of Indian aviators in my time, and while I didn't fly with them, I found them to be very astute and intelligent individuals. Absolute professionals. Each time I walked away from a discussion I had a feeling that I had encountered someone that would be my superior in any walk of life outside of a chance meeting
I went down to a school to help a friend out who was short on experienced instructors. They had a large contract with the Chinese government to train pilots. I lasted one full day. Fuck that shit. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:26:00 PM EDT
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I would be fine with a prolonged War of attrition between those 2 countries.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:28:37 PM EDT
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I would be fine with a prolonged War of attrition between those 2 countries. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:31:32 PM EDT
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I really need China to take eastern Russia first, but then I'd be ok with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:31:50 PM EDT
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I really need China to take eastern Russia first, but then I'd be ok with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would be fine with a prolonged War of attrition between those 2 countries. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:33:45 PM EDT
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How many bears are involved?
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:34:52 PM EDT
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If you think there's any truth at all to the Heartland theory, the last thing you want is for the PRC to take Russian Asia. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:35:35 PM EDT
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If you think there's any truth at all to the Heartland theory, the last thing you want is for the PRC to take Russian Asia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would be fine with a prolonged War of attrition between those 2 countries. But check this out. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:37:34 PM EDT
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If you think there's any truth at all to the Heartland theory, the last thing you want is for the PRC to take Russian Asia. makinder spykman or something like that. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:39:33 PM EDT
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I don't believe either of those theories. I believe the arable land and ports theory. But check this out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would be fine with a prolonged War of attrition between those 2 countries. But check this out. I assume you have read Mahan's works based on your position? |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:40:01 PM EDT
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India and China could both each lose the equivalent of the United States population and it would increase their respective standards of living.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:40:27 PM EDT
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I really need China to take eastern Russia first, but then I'd be ok with it. And on the other hand, China has a vast surplus (25 million-ish) of sexually frustrated, military aged males just taking up resources. Heeeeeeeeres motive  Tell you what, I think that would be a better, or worse fight depending on how you look at it |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:41:37 PM EDT
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India would win.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:43:57 PM EDT
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I think there is some truth to Heartland theory, it's just often presented with typical "I found one influencing factor and have decided to use it to explain everything" tunnel-vision. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would be fine with a prolonged War of attrition between those 2 countries. But check this out. 
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:46:12 PM EDT
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It is not that easy to say one or the other. It depends on many factors.... who attacks first, where is the main theater of battle in China or India or naval? Who has the best logistics to support the war effort? Who are the allies to each power? I think the US would prop up India and throw military equipment at them which would favor India logistically but also depends on if it is defensive war or offensive. Both have a large supply of fresh meat to throw at the war but neither really has the logistical support to take on each other in an all out war.
My bet would be on India if attacked fighting on their land. China if India attacked and the Chinese fighting on there land. Neither would really win though it would just be a blood bath and one probably would start slinging nukes leading to a small nuclear war making the world the loser. Look at the logistics of WW2 to defeat Germany and Japan..... |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:46:52 PM EDT
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All out drag out fight between just those two powers goes to the Chinese. A war like that will be pure attrition and china has the capability to replace lost manpower and equipment far better than India does since India mostly relies on FMS to bolster their forces. If we played the arsenal of democracy again however, things get a bit more...difficult to determine, albeit if we did we'd likely be in that war in short order anyhow
Either way, casualties far exceed anything the world has ever seen to date. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:47:06 PM EDT
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The rest of the world. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:47:24 PM EDT
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I’ve met a couple of Indian aviators in my time, and while I didn’t fly with them, I found them to be very astute and intelligent individuals. Absolute professionals. Each time I walked away from a discussion I had a feeling that I had encountered someone that would be my superior in any walk of life outside of a chance meeting Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You might be surprised at how competent India’s Air Force is. That said- Arabs vs Asians...so, yeah, China. Each time I walked away from a discussion I had a feeling that I had encountered someone that would be my superior in any walk of life outside of a chance meeting |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:49:38 PM EDT
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China and India go to war, Pakistan invades India and Russia invades China. They destroy themselves and get overran by Muslim hordes. Poland unites Europe under the banner of the Holy Polish Empire they ally with the US and begin the 10th and final crusade for the good of mankind and are lead by God Emperor Mattis. Muslim Hordes are crushed and become a thing only seen in history books. Mankind branches out and we take our crusade into the stars and we conquer everything in our sight.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:51:42 PM EDT
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Just kidding, that's a pic of the most photographed places in the world.
Here's a rainfall map. 
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:51:58 PM EDT
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If you think there's any truth at all to the Heartland theory, the last thing you want is for the PRC to take Russian Asia. 
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:52:42 PM EDT
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China and India go to war, Pakistan invades India and Russia invades China. They destroy themselves and get overran by Muslim hordes. Poland unites Europe under the banner of the Holy Polish Empire they ally with the US and begin the 10th and final crusade for the good of mankind and are lead by God Emperor Mattis. Muslim Hordes are crushed and become a thing only seen in history books. Mankind branches out and we take our crusade into the stars and we conquer everything in our sight. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:53:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:54:40 PM EDT
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Russia can't invade China bro |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:54:40 PM EDT
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Russia can't invade China bro They’d never be able to feed their army in the field. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:56:38 PM EDT
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The roman empire collapsed because they had a sea inside and land borders on the edges of the empire. They were doomed from the start.
The US has oceans on both sides and rivers for transportation internally. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:56:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It can in my fantasy, China also could never sustain a land war in India though so this whole thread is a fantasy. They’d never be able to feed their army in the field. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 1:57:38 PM EDT
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It can in my fantasy, China also could never sustain a land war in India though so this whole thread is a fantasy. They’d never be able to feed their army in the field. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Russia can't invade China bro They’d never be able to feed their army in the field.  It's already happening, and Russia set precedent with the reclamation of Crimea. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:02:58 PM EDT
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If you think there's any truth at all to the Heartland theory, the last thing you want is for the PRC to take Russian Asia. Sea Power as suggested by Alfred Thayer Mahan. The defining work for this theory is The Influence of Sea Power upon History. It holds that ports, control of sea lanes that feed economies, and the ability to efficiently project power over vast regions are major factors in the success and failure of nations. Heartland theory as suggested by Sir Halford John Mackinder. The defining work for this theory is The Geographical Pivot of History. It holds that the configuration of Asia-Europe as a single gigantic landmass with vast resources makes it possible for a world-dominating power to form beyond the reach of Sea Power. The crucial area that a power must control to implement this approach is called the Heartland, and is basically inland Europe and Asia. For this reason it is crucial that a Sea Power prevent the Heartland from falling under the control of an opposing power. Rimland theory as suggested by Nicholas Spykman. The defining work for this theory is The Geography of the Peace. It holds that power is most concentrated in the coastal regions around Eurasia, where the stream of resources flowing out and wealth flowing in converge. For this reason, dominating Rimland allows control of both the Heartland and Sea Power. These are very brief summaries and skip many important details and conclusions. All three theories are worth detailed study. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:03:27 PM EDT
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You might be surprised at how competent India's Air Force is. That said- Arabs vs Asians...so, yeah, China. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:04:39 PM EDT
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My money would be on China in what would amount to another border war and most likely a few battles at sea as well.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:06:21 PM EDT
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Water is everything. Wendover productions on Youtube typically does a good job of breaking it down. http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Check-Out-The-Most-Photographed-Places-in-the-World-412216-2.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would be fine with a prolonged War of attrition between those 2 countries. But check this out. http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Check-Out-The-Most-Photographed-Places-in-the-World-412216-2.jpg But I agree that arable land is a massive factor often overlooked. The inherent biological qualities of populations is also often not considered (or forbidden to consider) as a factor. One problem with Heartland theory is it ignores the logistical disadvantage of being a Land Power only. Maintaining roads and railroads to move resources across massive stretches of Asia is ungodly expensive. The ocean is free and takes you almost anywhere. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:06:49 PM EDT
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I am going with India.
Hindus, Buddhists vs. Atheists, Buddhists,
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:10:05 PM EDT
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If water was everything, India and South America wouldn't be shitholes that other powers use as playthings. But I agree that arable land is a massive factor often overlooked. One problem with Heartland theory is it ignores the logistical disadvantage of being a Land Power only. Maintaining roads and railroads to move resources across massive stretches of Asia is ungodly expensive. The ocean is free and takes you almost anywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would be fine with a prolonged War of attrition between those 2 countries. But check this out. http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Check-Out-The-Most-Photographed-Places-in-the-World-412216-2.jpg But I agree that arable land is a massive factor often overlooked. One problem with Heartland theory is it ignores the logistical disadvantage of being a Land Power only. Maintaining roads and railroads to move resources across massive stretches of Asia is ungodly expensive. The ocean is free and takes you almost anywhere. 
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