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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:27:23 PM EDT
I just thought of this.
Arfcom loves Garands. (And we should.) Arfcom loves Thompsons. (And we should.) I don't see a lot of talk on the Browning BAR. I can see why the m1918 is not on the battlefield today, certainly. That being said, the BAR is an awesome gun. Nothing says "Fuck You! We're American!" than shooting full auto 30-06. I've always wanted one and I think they're fucking awesome. 
Here's some random guy on the internet shooting one:  Rocking a full auto Browning BAR |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:29:09 PM EDT
[#1]
ISn't there a modernized one floating around out there?
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:31:51 PM EDT
[#2]
H-Car by ohio ordinance work
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:32:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
ISn't there a modernized one floating around out there? I hope you don't mean this: 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:32:34 PM EDT
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I wish I had been interested in the early 80's, I'd buy two or three at those prices now. I wouldn't mind having just one.
A BAR and a Glock 18 are the only full auto firearms that interest me. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:34:33 PM EDT
[#5]
Ohio Ordnance Works did up a modernized bar.
 The HCAR and The BAR |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:34:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI have a lefty version in .308 as my deer rifle. Awesome rifle, but nothing at all like a 1918. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:34:58 PM EDT
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I want one
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I wish I had been interested in the early 80's, I'd buy two or three at those prices now. I wouldn't mind having just one. A BAR and a Glock 18 are the only full auto firearms that interest me. Plenty of FA interests me, but I think I'd need two BARs. One to be treated nice, shot but preserved in historical condition. Second would probably be fired every day with the biggest grin ever. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:35:23 PM EDT
[#9]
Would be neat to own a piece of history like that and that it was used by Bonnie and Clyde. Well Clyde at least.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:35:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
ISn't there a modernized one floating around out there? OHio Ordnance Works makes a semi auto version, plus one that's been slightly modernized. A couple years ago when the previous place I worked was doing good and making money and paying profit sharing, I bought one. They used to do a promotion through Lent, with discounts on various items. Usually opened and closed whith a sale for the day on their BAR. I don't know if they still do that. They are even more expensive now. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:36:18 PM EDT
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I stood next to someone shooting one from a bench to a downhill clearing about 75 yards away. it puts up a impressive display of firepower. very controlled and accurate
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:37:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDefinitely cool, but that's a shadow of my grail gun. Wood, full auto, FA, etc Doesn't have the character or....you know...full auto. 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:39:10 PM EDT
[#13]
In before three Nazis walk into a BAR jpeg
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:39:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I stood next to someone shooting one from a bench to a downhill clearing about 75 yards away. it puts up a impressive display of firepower. very controlled and accurate I've only held two in real life, but I've never even seen one shot. If I had the cash... |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:39:29 PM EDT
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I'd own one in a heartbeat, sure it only has a 20 round mag and it sorta weird to shoot prone but damn if it ain't the most manly shaped chunk of steel ever devised.
Also the gunfight in Devils Rejects, 10/10 
 The Devil's Rejects shootout scene More BAR goodness  Breaking Bad - Best Scene of all time |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:42:14 PM EDT
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I'd own one in a heartbeat, sure it only has a 20 round mag and it sorta weird to shoot prone but damn if it ain't the most manly shaped chunk of steel ever devised. You get it. It really does something for me. Thompsons are fucking awesome, but BARs are just next level America. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:42:37 PM EDT
[#17]
I'd love t have one in 1918 version. Not the WW2 version.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:45:43 PM EDT
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FND for the win. Lots of upgrades to the BAR. Pistol grip, quick change barrel, more calibers including 7.62, which took the FAL magazine.
FND 
 Machine gun FND |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:49:56 PM EDT
[#19]
The BAR isn't sexy, just like the Thompson.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:51:40 PM EDT
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I've loved the BAR since I was a kid reading WW2 books and looking at all the pictures. Probably don't get much attention around here because even the semi auto repros are so expensive.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:52:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
FND for the win. Lots of upgrades to the BAR. Pistol grip, quick change barrel, more calibers including 7.62, which took the FAL magazine. FND http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/fndbipod.jpg  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yam510H2TBsDefinitely cool. That being said, I clicked your link, agreed with them and then reaffirmed my decision. One of the main complaints against the BAR in combat was its fixed barrel. The concept of an automatic rifle for walking fire was obsolete virtually as soon as it was introduced, and the BAR in combat tended to be used as a light machine gun. Wrong timing...awesome gun.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:55:13 PM EDT
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FN Model D
Edit: Beat by a mile 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:55:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd love t have one in 1918 version. Not the WW2 version. You sir, are a real lover of the M1918. The base version, as envisioned by John Browning , is incredible. For the uninitiated, on full auto with a bit of practice, you CAN hold the whole mag on a IPSC target, at 100 meters. And with a bit more, you can do "fives", on four of the same target. There are very few "rifles" that will reward you with a bigger smile than the original M1918 BAR, when shot properly and with skill. It takes work, but damn is it worth it. Much as I love the BREN, the M1918 is simply an amazing piece of work for it's time, and what it is. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:56:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The BAR isn't sexy, just like the Thompson. I disagree. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:57:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
OHio Ordnance Works makes a semi auto version, plus one that's been slightly modernized. A couple years ago when the previous place I worked was doing good and making money and paying profit sharing, I bought one. They used to do a promotion through Lent, with discounts on various items. Usually opened and closed whith a sale for the day on their BAR. I don't know if they still do that. They are even more expensive now. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:01:51 PM EDT
[#26]
My dad carried a BAR in Korea during the war. He said it was heavy but reliable.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:03:44 PM EDT
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I bought a OOW years ago for $1000 with a metric shit top of sealed WWII magazines.
They are great to shoot. Almost no recoil. The rifle is best shot prone but has a fatal flaw shooting prone. You can't quicly and easily change the magazine while prone without tilting the rifle slightly to the side. It weights around 28 lbs loaded with bipod. It would take a two man crew to effectively keep heavy sustained fire from a fixed position. I also have a BREN and while heavier, it's a much better fixed position weapon IMHO. Not as sexy as the BAR...IMHO. The BAR can be shouldered, but that 28 lbs gets to you quickly. I can't imagine humping it through the jungles in WWII. The BREN is not really a shoulder fired rifle. The positives for the BAR are that it's deadly accurate and the sights are dead on out to 600m with 150 mil loads. 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:04:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd love t have one in 1918 version. Not the WW2 version. Can you break it down on the differences or was it cosmetic? |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:08:21 PM EDT
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I'd love to have the Colt Monitor version.
http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=1929 |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:11:35 PM EDT
[#30]
Much like the Thompson, a world beater when it was introduced, but by the time WW2 rolled around and BARS finally got to play for real, they were getting a bit dated.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:14:21 PM EDT
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You see discussion in the Armory forum every once in a while. There are parts kits out there.
BAR KIT |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:19:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
You see discussion in the Armory forum every once in a while. There are parts kits out there. BAR KIT I hate this site. Here I am thinking we'd discuss a gun. Now I need this and an HCAR. Gun budget planned this year. 2018 may need the year of the BAR. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:21:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:21:19 PM EDT
[#34]
Love the BAR without the bipod. I hate WW2 games that include the BAR with the bipod mount.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:22:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:23:19 PM EDT
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My grandfather was a BAR machine gunner in WWII. He was shot in the arm late in the war while he was clearing a town in Belgium on a scout team by German machine gun fire. Always had interest in them. I have a real BAR belt in my rifle room.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:24:24 PM EDT
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I was lucky enough to spend some time with a 1918A1 and I came away with a couple of observations.
It's a heavy beast. Really good for keeping rounds on target when shooting unsupported. Really shitty if you have to hump that thing all over Europe or Korea. BAR gunners were tough as nails. They are also a barrel heating sonavabitch. After just one rip through a twenty rounder will have that barrel way too hot to touch with bare hands. If you ever watch those documentary films of solders fighting in the Pacific, you can see the barrels with smoke coming off them. I can see why now. At the time, I was really surprised that twenty 30.06 rounds had that many BTUs in them. 
Regardless, they are awesome to shoot and I loved every minute of it. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:24:35 PM EDT
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Way too heavy for what it is and low capacity
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:25:10 PM EDT
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I owned a BAR for about ten years, an M1918 Winchester upgraded to A2 specs. I foolishly sold it.
I now have two of OOW's semiautomatic versions, that I built on OOW receiver kits with the other parts being like-new GI surplus. With that background, I have to be honest. The BAR is what it is, with plenty of drawbacks both in the WW1 version and the WW2 version. We used it because that's what we had. As a light machine gun, the German MG42 was head and shoulders better. I'd be happy to expound if anyone is interested. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:32:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:36:01 PM EDT
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I too have an Ohio Ordnance Works 1918A3 Semi....it is a beautiful work of art. Mine is a very early production (s/n under 350...) with all USGI parts (as they ran out of USGI, they had to start making them, much like M1A builds...). I stuck with a USGI plastic butt stock, since pretty much all WWII issue guns used the plastic. I'd like to get a USGI walnut butt just to have...
It is heavy, but dead nuts accurate. I can hit clay birds at 100 yds off hand. It is so heavy, and with the semi auto action, there isn't much recoil. Once you have the gun, then the fun is collecting all the goodies, tools, BAR belts, manuals, the whole shebang.... I highly recommend it!  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:37:56 PM EDT
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HCAR. Yea, I will get one eventually!
And maybe even a 1918 BAR. Just Awesome. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:41:43 PM EDT
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I've handled a quality semi-auto conversion of a 1947(?) parts kit build. It was incredibly heavy for what it was, the sights sucked, and the ergonomics were all wrong. It is still a very cool gun.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:45:57 PM EDT
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I remember inrangeTV on youtube taking a semi auto one to a match. They didn't seem very impressed if I remember correctly. I think they had problems with the bipod and found the rifle too heavy to effectively use from an standing offhand position. Great for it's day but when you pick one up and run around shooting one you see why they switched to something else.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:54:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you break it down on the differences or was it cosmetic? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/190221/image-147528.JPG ^ See it now. I agree on the simplistic look of the 1918. Without the bi-pod, looks like it was meant to be fired on the move, from the hip? |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:56:26 PM EDT
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One sunny afternoon in some hills on Camp Pendleton we were blessed to have two of them and cases of loaded magazines. Shooting prone across a valley at some 55 gallon drums. Great, never to forget fun watching those drums bounce around like beer cans.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:01:04 PM EDT
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I'd love to have one but we have the stupid NFA that makes me unable to afford one
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:02:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
One sunny afternoon in some hills on Camp Pendleton we were blessed to have two of them and cases of loaded magazines. Shooting prone across a valley at some 55 gallon drums. Great, never to forget fun watching those drums bounce around like beer cans. 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:02:50 PM EDT
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I'd love to have one but we have the stupid NFA that makes me unable to afford one You and me both! |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:06:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I remember inrangeTV on youtube taking a semi auto one to a match. They didn't seem very impressed if I remember correctly. I think they had problems with the bipod and found the rifle too heavy to effectively use from an standing offhand position. Great for it's day but when you pick one up and run around shooting one you see why they switched to something else. They were comparing it to a semi FG42. Much lighter, better bipod and the pistol grip really helps with ergonomics. It's not like the FG isn't a 20 year younger design or anything. |
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