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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:14:30 PM EDT
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Early 1960s I was on the USS Wilhoite. They let us shoot a BAR off the fantail.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:16:41 PM EDT
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This site makes feel so inadequate. I don't have any BAR
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:17:47 PM EDT
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I had the privilege of shooting one
Not my rifle unfortunately
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:24:00 PM EDT
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I bet they'd be even cooler if they were turned upside down and made belt fed.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:24:05 PM EDT
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I too have an Ohio Ordnance Works 1918A3 Semi....it is a beautiful work of art. Mine is a very early production (s/n under 350...) with all USGI parts (as they ran out of USGI, they had to start making them, much like M1A builds...). I stuck with a USGI plastic butt stock, since pretty much all WWII issue guns used the plastic. I'd like to get a USGI walnut butt just to have... It is heavy, but dead nuts accurate. I can hit clay birds at 100 yds off hand. It is so heavy, and with the semi auto action, there isn't much recoil. Once you have the gun, then the fun is collecting all the goodies, tools, BAR belts, manuals, the whole shebang.... I highly recommend it! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/374866/20170215-201800-147536.JPG Having shot EvilEd's OOW BAR.... I have to say "YUP!" Firing his BAR in the offhand at 300yards, I could see the round impacting the flat face of a boulder that we were using as a target, through the sights. I also had to take it down out of my shoulder every 5 rounds or so, because it got heavy. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:29:04 PM EDT
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It was a great gun that sucked.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:30:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:36:49 PM EDT
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Honestly, I've just never been a fan. I respect it for its place in history, but I just don't understand the usefulness of the platform. It's too heavy to a battle rifle, but lacks the capacity and cooling to be a truly effective LMG. The 20 round mags are pointless. If it was setup as a beltfed, it would make sense. And if it had a barrel that could be swapped, same thing.
IMO, the 1919 is the better gun. Yeah, it's not really something you're going to pick up and carry around, occasionally firing it from your shoulder. But at least it knew what it was and what it's purpose was. And it did that job well. The BAR, while a historic piece in firearms evolution, just is pointless to me |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:39:28 PM EDT
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This is a cop examining an Essex automobile that caught a burst from a Thompson intended for the driver, John Dillinger. Had this been a BAR instead of a Thompson, things would have turned out a whole lot different.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:40:10 PM EDT
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Would be neat to own a piece of history like that and that it was used by Bonnie and Clyde. Well Clyde at least. Bonnie used one to shoot up a tree an agent was standing behind during a raid on one of their hideouts. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:40:57 PM EDT
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At our local MG shoot I paid $25 for a box mag, FA. It was fantastic. He feels, the power behind full auto 30.06 is awesome. Would love to own one
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:46:16 PM EDT
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This site makes feel so inadequate. I don't have any BAR <img src="http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_dissapprove.gif" /> I'm not much better, all I have is a rear sight for a BAR. I still have no idea why I have a rear sight for a BAR, or what I will eventually do with it, but by God, I have one! |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:50:28 PM EDT
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Ten or twelve years ago, my brother in law was on a fairly new destroyer in the US Navy. Believe it or not, they still had BARs in their arms lockers, along with M14s, shotguns and other small arms.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:55:20 PM EDT
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I have the Colt M1918A3 OOW made a few years ago. Big, heavy, awkward. Ergonomics have come a long way. Beautiful gun though.
Anyone who really wants the whole story of the BAR needs to get the book Rock in A Hard Place. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:20:18 AM EDT
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Can you break it down on the differences or was it cosmetic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd love t have one in 1918 version. Not the WW2 version. Can you break it down on the differences or was it cosmetic? The 1918 had full and semi auto capability, no bipod, lighter forend, and weighed about 16-17 lbs. Rear sight was same as the 1917 Enfield. The WW2 version had two rate of fire full auto only, bipod on the flash hider, heavier forend, carrying handle on the barrel, Bakelite buttstock, and a rear sight similar to the 1919 lmg. Weighed upward of 25 lbs. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:30:01 AM EDT
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I'm not much better, all I have is a rear sight for a BAR. I still have no idea why I have a rear sight for a BAR, or what I will eventually do with it, but by God, I have one! |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:30:56 AM EDT
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I shot a rental BAR once. I was impressed with how well it handled recoil. I was not, however, impressed by the reliability of the firearm that I shot.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:35:27 AM EDT
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Would be neat to own a piece of history like that and that it was used by Bonnie and Clyde. Well Clyde at least. I read that Bonnie used a BAR that had the barrel cut down. She supposedly handled and used it very effectively even as small as she was. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:42:41 AM EDT
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I love my transferable C&R Swedish Kg m/37 BAR. The gun is in 6.5 Swedish not 30.06 but is much smoother shooting and its got the upgrades the US should have done with the 1918A2 (quick change barrel, pistol grip, better sights, bipod located in the correct spot).
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:56:55 AM EDT
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Because like most American machine guns, its poor compared to the competition.
See also the M60 and M27. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:53:37 AM EDT
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I'm not much better, all I have is a rear sight for a BAR. I still have no idea why I have a rear sight for a BAR, or what I will eventually do with it, but by God, I have one! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This site makes feel so inadequate. I don't have any BAR <img src="http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_dissapprove.gif" /> I'm not much better, all I have is a rear sight for a BAR. I still have no idea why I have a rear sight for a BAR, or what I will eventually do with it, but by God, I have one! I have mags and a BAR gunner's bandolier but no BAR. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:56:22 AM EDT
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Saving up for one of the Semi-Auto ones right now. It'll go great with my Garands, M1903s, M1 Carbines, etc...
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:59:01 AM EDT
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I wish I had been interested in the early 80's, I'd buy two or three at those prices now. I wouldn't mind having just one. A BAR and a Glock 18 are the only full auto firearms that interest me. Only full auto belt feds or SMGs interest me. PKM, RPD, Uzi, and PPSH. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 2:39:14 AM EDT
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FND and Colt's version are the ones I like.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 3:10:56 AM EDT
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I have an early oow with GI parts and love it! Very accurate and not afraid to get it hot. Its built like a tank and almost as heavy. I also have fired one full auto, very cool.
Worked with a guy that was in the Marines in the late fifties. He said he was a little bit of a cut up and they made him carry the BAR as punishment, he's about 5' 6". |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 4:06:38 AM EDT
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My dad carried a BAR in Korea during the war. He said it was heavy but reliable. My high school ROTC unit had two M1918A2's. Both were pieces of shit that absolutely would not fire more than one round without incurring a stoppage. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 4:09:56 AM EDT
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The BREN was a better gun in every respect. I like the history of the Browning automatic rifle, but there are reasons that everyone else used a copy of the Czech design in WWII.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 4:53:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2017 5:05:18 AM EDT
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Double post
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Posted: 2/16/2017 5:06:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2017 5:31:23 AM EDT
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I'd love to have one but we have the stupid NFA that makes me unable to afford one |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 5:43:21 AM EDT
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I shot one of the semi auto ones. It was a beautiful thing!
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:03:47 AM EDT
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Here's my semi-auto.
I put it together using an OOW 1918-A3 BAR receiver kit and a Korean War era 1918-A2 Royal Typewriter parts kit .................. I also have a Philadelphia Ordnance Works 80% BAR receiver and enough parts to build a real one if Hughes is ever overturned. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:07:18 AM EDT
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At our local MG shoot I paid $25 for a box mag, FA. It was fantastic. He feels, the power behind full auto 30.06 is awesome. Would love to own one I would gladly pay that. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:14:02 AM EDT
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The BAR isn't sexy, just like the Thompson. Fail 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:17:38 AM EDT
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Seem to remember reading about a demo of the BAR, hundreds of thrown glass balls, New Jersey coast , and John Browning observing. Semi Auto , firing from a open bolt.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:29:19 AM EDT
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RevolverRO wrote:
The WW2 version had two rate of fire full auto only, bipod on the flash hider, heavier forend, carrying handle on the barrel, Bakelite buttstock, and a rear sight similar to the 1919 lmg. The carrying handle is post-WW2. All the WW2 movies (such as The Longest Day) showing carrying handles in use are anachronistic. (If you own a BAR, I would suggest not installing the carrying handle. It will wear a groove in the barrel, or at least mar the finish on the barrel.) The forend on the A2 is actually smaller and lighter than the one on the original M1918. It also has a heat shield that the original one didn't. The rear sight on the A2 is similar, but not the same, as the one on the M1919. The sight radius, which is marked on the sight leaf, is entirely different. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:38:02 AM EDT
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Ten or twelve years ago, my brother in law was on a fairly new destroyer in the US Navy. Believe it or not, they still had BARs in their arms lockers, along with M14s, shotguns and other small arms. That's pretty awesome. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:45:04 AM EDT
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The semi auto versions are growing on me.
I was not impressed at first, but man, the ones posted sure look awesome. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:46:23 AM EDT
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I have an OOW I got about 13 years ago....it's a fun beast.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:53:32 AM EDT
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A gun so good we named a beer after it, which we released actually yesterday, our "B.A.R. IIPA". Our year rounder is its little brother the Garand IPA.
 If you notice, we put the rifle kind of hidden in the I, of "IPA"
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:53:34 AM EDT
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It's been said already, but my OOW one is also phenomenally accurate.
I do a historical shoot for the cadets at work, starting with a 1740s flintlock and going up to the modern Army weapons. Every year, without exception, the BAR is the most admired, most played-with weapon out of the lot. It just has penache. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:00:21 AM EDT
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You guys can say what you want about the NFA, but think about how much money and time it has saved you. Shooting a fully auto 30-06 weapon for grins and giggles is not cheap. And all surplus WWII 30-06 is corrosive so think how much time you saved not having to clean it after every shoot.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:03:39 AM EDT
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ISn't there a modernized one floating around out there? I hope you don't mean this: http://www.browning.com/content/dam/browning/product/firearms/rifles/bar/support/BARFinalBanner.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.1200.1200.jpeg I have one in 7mm Remington mag. Nice shooter. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:15:53 PM EDT
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My dad carried a BAR in Korea during the war. He said it was heavy but reliable. My dad did too. He was elected for his size, he said. It didn't sound like a popular job all the time. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:31:19 PM EDT
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^ See it now. I agree on the simplistic look of the 1918. Without the bi-pod, looks like it was meant to be fired on the move, from the hip? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you break it down on the differences or was it cosmetic? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/190221/image-147528.JPG ^ See it now. I agree on the simplistic look of the 1918. Without the bi-pod, looks like it was meant to be fired on the move, from the hip? The BAR gunners belt had a cup for the butt to do just that. A quick google search will show examples. Many had the cup removed and another mag pouch sewn in it's place. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:42:49 PM EDT
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The BAR gunners belt had a cup for the butt to do just that. A quick google search will show examples. Many had the cup removed and another mag pouch sewn in it's place. Yep, I have a video of my Son when he was 12yo firing one from the hip. No cup though. Just hanging onto it. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 12:46:46 PM EDT
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The BAR gunners belt had a cup for the butt to do just that. A quick google search will show examples. Many had the cup removed and another mag pouch sewn in it's place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you break it down on the differences or was it cosmetic? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/190221/image-147528.JPG ^ See it now. I agree on the simplistic look of the 1918. Without the bi-pod, looks like it was meant to be fired on the move, from the hip? The BAR gunners belt had a cup for the butt to do just that. A quick google search will show examples. Many had the cup removed and another mag pouch sewn in it's place. The very early ones did...the idea was to be able to put the butt into the cup and use it for marching fire....the early ones had three double BAR mag pouches on the left, a single BAR 2 mag pouch on the right, along with the cup, and a double .45 mag pouch.... They are a must have for a BAR collector...just collecting various BAR belts and bandoleers is a major enterprise, since there have been so many variations.... |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:48:57 PM EDT
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The very early ones did...the idea was to be able to put the butt into the cup and use it for marching fire....the early ones had three double BAR mag pouches on the left, a single BAR 2 mag pouch on the right, along with the cup, and a double .45 mag pouch.... They are a must have for a BAR collector...just collecting various BAR belts and bandoleers is a major enterprise, since there have been so many variations.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you break it down on the differences or was it cosmetic? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/190221/image-147528.JPG ^ See it now. I agree on the simplistic look of the 1918. Without the bi-pod, looks like it was meant to be fired on the move, from the hip? The BAR gunners belt had a cup for the butt to do just that. A quick google search will show examples. Many had the cup removed and another mag pouch sewn in it's place. The very early ones did...the idea was to be able to put the butt into the cup and use it for marching fire....the early ones had three double BAR mag pouches on the left, a single BAR 2 mag pouch on the right, along with the cup, and a double .45 mag pouch.... They are a must have for a BAR collector...just collecting various BAR belts and bandoleers is a major enterprise, since there have been so many variations.... I have one stamped/made in 1919. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 1:50:12 PM EDT
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Probably because most of us don't own one.
And if the National Firearms Act had gone the way it was intended, almost none of us would own an AR15, either and this forum wouldn't exist. |
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