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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:48:08 AM EDT
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They think long term and see the dead end potential of EV cars. Hybrids are the future.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:49:00 AM EDT
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In a sane world, where we had a rational energy policy, EVs would be nothing more than curiosities. There'd be no market for them at all.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:50:36 AM EDT
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WOW I WONDER WHY THEY GOT RID OF THEIR CEO
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:50:42 AM EDT
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EV Thread!!!
Fuck EVs. Toyota got it right, as we DO NOT HAVE the amount of raw minerals and materials to make EVs even close to the dominate form of motive power as Hydrocarbons. Let alone have it be the dominant form of motive power for any where near as long as gas/diesel. Hydrogen fuel cell is the way. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:51:36 AM EDT
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EVs suck. The PHEVs like their RAV4 hybrid are great, and as far as I know they’re the only company making them since Chevy dropped the Volt.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:52:34 AM EDT
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EVs are just a small market that thinks it can replace the ICE.
EVs have their market, but it will still never be the majority. EV thread 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:53:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They think long term and see the dead end potential of EV cars. Hybrids are the future. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:55:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EVs suck. The PHEVs like their RAV4 hybrid are great, and as far as I know they’re the only company making them since Chevy dropped the Volt. Off the top of my head, Chrysler makes a phev pacifica and bmw makes several. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:58:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Off the top of my head, Chrysler makes a phev pacifica and bmw makes several. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: EVs suck. The PHEVs like their RAV4 hybrid are great, and as far as I know they’re the only company making them since Chevy dropped the Volt. Off the top of my head, Chrysler makes a phev pacifica and bmw makes several. Does bmw sell any in the US? I hadn’t heard of them. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 11:58:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EVs are just a small market that thinks it can replace the ICE. EVs have their market, but it will still never be the majority. EV thread 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:00:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:00:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:09:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does bmw sell any in the US? I hadn’t heard of them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: EVs suck. The PHEVs like their RAV4 hybrid are great, and as far as I know they’re the only company making them since Chevy dropped the Volt. Off the top of my head, Chrysler makes a phev pacifica and bmw makes several. Does bmw sell any in the US? I hadn’t heard of them. 4 models https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/plug-in-hybrid-electric.html Eta: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15377500/plug-in-hybrid-car-suv-vehicles/ |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:21:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WOW I WONDER WHY THEY GOT RID OF THEIR CEO |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:21:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They think long term and see the dead end potential of EV cars. Hybrids are the future. This is correct. And additionally Toyota has produced between 5-10 million cars a year, every single year, for over 2 decades. They approach things differently then a comparatively new startup which only produces a fraction of that with the aid of generous .gov subsidies. These two short articles from Toyota Research CEO Gill Pratt do a good job of explaining the logic behind their strategy: https://medium.com/toyotaresearch/carbon-is-our-enemy-lets-use-everything-we-ve-got-to-fight-it-b38bfbc1f16 https://medium.com/toyotaresearch/more-straight-talk-about-toyotas-electric-vehicle-strategy-f0aba4be40 |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:22:04 PM EDT
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Toyota's operated on a slow and steady business model for a long time, and it's clearly worked for them. They will probably offer more EVs if/when they can make them at an attractive price point with boring reliability. They're like Nintendo. They don't care what the market demands from them. They will put out what they think the market will buy, and usually they end up being correct.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:22:40 PM EDT
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Battery tech is still way behind. Hybrid has proven to be viable, why stray from that.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:24:58 PM EDT
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Not a good corporate look.
Chinese owned Cobalt mines in Africa (Greenies should be proud)    
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:25:17 PM EDT
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nobody seems to be aware that toyota just released an ev and it was trash.
Everyone in this thread : "toyota makes boring and reliable cars" toyota ev : recalled because the wheels kept falling off. heh |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota's operated on a slow and steady business model for a long time, and it's clearly worked for them. They will probably offer more EVs if/when they can make them at an attractive price point with boring reliability. They're like Nintendo. They don't care what the market demands from them. They will put out what they think the market will buy, and usually they end up being correct. I still think the Prime plug-in hybrids are a better solution for the vast majority of people. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:27:39 PM EDT
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This is one thing Toyota actually got right.
Hybrids make so much more sense. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:31:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWe had the hybrid SUV as a rental on time, I wasn't impressed. And the Colision avoidance went nuts in the car wash
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:31:35 PM EDT
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Bend the knee.
Do the bidding of the globalists. Take the money. That's the plan. Right? |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:35:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a sane world, where we had a rational energy policy, EVs would be nothing more than curiosities. There'd be no market for them at all. Word |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:35:53 PM EDT
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I WILL BEHEAD THE TRAITOROUS SWINE WHO BETRAYED YOU, TOYODA-SAN
@beitodesstrafe Imma need a katana with charms and motion-activated voice emotes - integrated accelerometer so you can select an emote for beheading blow (default for beheading blow being "UWUUUUU" ofc) wait disregard what I wrote don't steal my billion$ plsnthnx |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:36:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: EVs suck. The PHEVs like their RAV4 hybrid are great, and as far as I know they’re the only company making them since Chevy dropped the Volt. Quoted: Off the top of my head, Chrysler makes a phev pacifica and bmw makes several. There are quite a lot of PHEVs made out there. Here are just a few. https://www.kbb.com/phev/best-phev-suvs/ |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:37:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I WILL BEHEAD THE TRAITOROUS SWINE WHO BETRAYED YOU, TOYODA-SAN @beitodesstrafe Imma need a katana with charms and motion-activated voice emotes - integrated accelerometer so you can select an emote for beheading blow (default for beheading blow being "UWUUUUU" ofc) wait disregard what I wrote don't steal my billion$ plsnthnx As long as it is pink and kawaii AF, I am in! |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:37:36 PM EDT
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What I got from all of that is that Toyota lives in the real world.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:39:38 PM EDT
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Though, a hybrid without the ability to be plugged in to charge seems retarded. Why not give someone the ability to squeeze a little more electric range out of it if the vehicle is gonna sit? Even a 110V/15A charge will be useful if it's not gonna be driven for a day.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:40:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They think long term and see the dead end potential of EV cars. Hybrids are the future. +1 Japanese business models are based on decades, not quarters. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:41:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WOW I WONDER WHY THEY GOT RID OF THEIR CEO because he can see to the horizon while the BOD can only see to the end of the block. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:41:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As long as it is pink and kawaii AF, I am in! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I WILL BEHEAD THE TRAITOROUS SWINE WHO BETRAYED YOU, TOYODA-SAN @beitodesstrafe Imma need a katana with charms and motion-activated voice emotes - integrated accelerometer so you can select an emote for beheading blow (default for beheading blow being "UWUUUUU" ofc) wait disregard what I wrote don't steal my billion$ plsnthnx As long as it is pink and kawaii AF, I am in! Pink weaponry? Are you some misogyny-adjacent B***a? 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:44:46 PM EDT
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When can I get a hybrid 4wd Sienna? Any plans for that?
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:46:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They think long term and see the dead end potential of EV cars. Hybrids are the future. Yep. Works in metro and rural areas. No charging station infrastructure necessary. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:49:26 PM EDT
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Hydrogen hybrids are the ticket, Toyota and Ford are correct on that and continue but EV's are DEI hires of the car world. The main issue with EV's is the batteries and how long it takes to change them up, until those two things are dramatically improved EV's will continue to suffer. Hybrids on the other hand, especially hydrogen negate this problem (albeit have a distribution issue.) The distribution problems can be solved with current technology but will be costly.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:49:30 PM EDT
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Toyota is the best car company on earth and they are correct regarding EV’s.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:50:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a sane world, where we had a rational energy policy, EVs would be nothing more than curiosities. There'd be no market for them at all. If driven completely by the free market, EVs simply would not exist. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 12:51:21 PM EDT
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My wife loves her hybrid mini-van from Toyota, and when you put it in sport mode, it is actually pretty quick. 33 MPG with 4 adults and 2 kids going an average of 80+MPH.
We both agreed to keep at least one ICE vehicle. I know I will get hate for this, but I fucking love my Tesla too. I went from a Jeep where I had to actually roll my windows down, to a vehicle that goes 0-60 in less than 4 seconds while making almost no noise. I know electric vehicles will never completely take over, but for just taking the kids around town and doing my normal everyday stuff, the EV is a fucking dream. I used to hate driving anywhere, it felt like a chore, but now I look for a reason to take my Tesla for a spin. My wife doesn't like driving it though, to each their own. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:07:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They think long term and see the dead end potential of EV cars. Hybrids are the future. Nuke Truck 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 1:13:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They think long term and see the dead end potential of EV cars. Hybrids are the future. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 2:13:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2023 2:15:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: EVs suck. The PHEVs like their RAV4 hybrid are great, and as far as I know they’re the only company making them since Chevy dropped the Volt. Off the top of my head, Chrysler makes a phev pacifica and bmw makes several. Does bmw sell any in the US? I hadn’t heard of them. 4 models https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/plug-in-hybrid-electric.html Eta: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15377500/plug-in-hybrid-car-suv-vehicles/ 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 2:19:18 PM EDT
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They’ve poured billions into hybrids. Are they trying to protect their investment?
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Posted: 1/27/2023 2:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: EVs suck. The PHEVs like their RAV4 hybrid are great, and as far as I know they’re the only company making them since Chevy dropped the Volt. Off the top of my head, Chrysler makes a phev pacifica and bmw makes several. Does bmw sell any in the US? I hadn’t heard of them. 4 models https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/plug-in-hybrid-electric.html Eta: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15377500/plug-in-hybrid-car-suv-vehicles/ A guy I often park next to taking my daughter to school drives a BMW i8.  |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 2:27:01 PM EDT
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Hopefully they continue to? No reason to waste money on a fad.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 2:27:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a sane world, where we had a rational energy policy, EVs would be nothing more than curiosities. There'd be no market for them at all. Actually, if we had a rational energy policy (i.e. a shit ton of very cheap electricity from nuclear power) they would make sense for a lot of things. Not everything, but a lot of things. As a choice. Not a mandate. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 2:28:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EVs are just a small market that thinks it can replace the ICE. EVs have their market, but it will still never be the majority. EV thread Best selling car in Europe last quarter: Tesla model Y. Second best selling car in Europe last quarter: Tesla model 3. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 2:30:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EVs are just a small market that thinks it can replace the ICE. EVs have their market, but it will still never be the majority. EV thread One of my favorite things about this place is that people just say shit. Jesus Christ. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 2:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Battery tech is still way behind. Hybrid has proven to be viable, why stray from that. Battery is literally better for 99% of homeowners. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 2:31:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is one thing Toyota actually got right. Hybrids make so much more sense. The new Prius is kind of slick. They were always good cars, but funny looking. This worked for people who wanted it to be very obvious they were driving a hybrid, but not so much for the rest of us. Now it's a legit good looking car. |
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