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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:45:12 PM EST
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This is just the event Obama has been waiting for, i.e. a chance to get away from the failures of Obamacare and step on the world stage to talk about himself (of course) and how he has so much in common with Mandela, how they both struggled against racism all their lives, etc. Needless to say, any eulogizing about Mandela will require Zero's frequent use of "I" and "me."
Unfortunately, where Winnie was saying, "Our necklaces will set us free," Moochelle will have to settle for, "Our vacations will set us free!" 
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:45:31 PM EST
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He used to bomb trains, use mines on civilians, and was a Communist scumbag. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Or was he a good guy? Really, not too up to snuff on my South African history. Enlighten me. He used to bomb trains, use mines on civilians, and was a Communist scumbag. Let's not forget using burning tires on his ALLIES when they got a little too uppity. Hell, it was his WIFE's favorite pastime. If you got crosswise with Winnie you were sceduled for a BBQ. 
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:45:51 PM EST
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If you truly believe in freedom and liberty, you should support neither.
Or maybe I can have opinions that aren't your stereotypical, safe, Moderate, politically approved opinions. If that makes me "hate freedom", I guess me and freedom are gonna have to break up. The fact that SA went from economic/military/industrial powerhouse, to that shitty Liveleak country with all of the torture murders, is all the more tragic. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:47:11 PM EST
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If Apartheid-era South Africa was a "shining beacon of freedom," it becomes apparent why Nelson Mandela might not share the same definition of 'freedom.' Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"shining beacon of freedom"?
If Apartheid-era South Africa was a "shining beacon of freedom," it becomes apparent why Nelson Mandela might not share the same definition of 'freedom.' Yeah, SA was not Rhodesia. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:47:18 PM EST
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I don't know why you guys are hating on Mandela. As of today, he is officially my favorite kind of commie. 
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:47:44 PM EST
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I wonder which other communist murdeirng fuckwit GD is going to admire next? Pol Pot? Hey, I hear Idi Amin was a pretty jolly guy.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:48:38 PM EST
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I was trying to decide what to post in this thread. You said everything I was going to say far more eloquently than I would have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cause he was a communist POS, who managed to take a nice, clean, safe, successful country Where people of a certain color were literally sub-human before the law, killed with impunity by police, and subject to show trials over trumped up charges. We can condemn him all we want for being a Marxist (it was kind of the de facto standard of anti-government movements in that era, so how much of a true-believer Marxist he really was is up for debate), but if gun owners or whites were kept under the government boot as sub-humans by force of law, you - and most of the people on this board condemning him as a terrorist - would be shooting people, slitting throats, and planting bombs in government offices too. And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. I agree, but I'd skip the butchering of civilians part that the ANC did. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:49:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once upon a time, in a land far far away (The old America), the Communist pigs were our blood enemies. Men died for us in the process of fighting them. So fuck Mandela and why haven't we killed Mugabe yet? Hard to imagine isn't it. There was a time in this country when the Federal agencies that terrorize us would have been investigating the people in power now. I just get sick to my stomach when I think about how this will play out. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:49:13 PM EST
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. America revolutionaries create a stable government based on civilized ideals; The ANC set up a destablized government, that has its black citizens, torturing and murdering its white citizens. I would say comfortable white people like you make me sick, but in all honesty, you're probably a malicious lefty. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:49:17 PM EST
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are there links to the instances of some of his actions? like wiki pages or something?
or names of the events didn't he also run illegal arms? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:50:34 PM EST
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Judge him by what he brought about, not what the liberal twats say about him. South Africa went from first world to third world faster than any nation in history, with the possible exception of Zimbabwe. And I suppose the US would be third?? (Many/Most US cites are just like SA--have been for a while Now)
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:50:59 PM EST
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America revolutionaries create a stable government based on civilized ideals; The ANC set up a destablized government, that has it's black citizens, torturing and murdering its white citizens. I would say comfortable white people like you make me sick, but in all honesty, you're probably a malicious lefty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. America revolutionaries create a stable government based on civilized ideals; The ANC set up a destablized government, that has it's black citizens, torturing and murdering its white citizens. I would say comfortable white people like you make me sick, but in all honesty, you're probably a malicious lefty. I'm not referring to the American revolution, which was a secessionist movement. I'm referring to the cries of "FO", "is it time yet", and "lines in the sand" that have been prevalent on this board for as long as I've been here. Along with the intermittent talk about how liberals will have their backs against the wall when the revolution comes and other such nonsense. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:51:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And I suppose the US would be third?? (Many/Most US cites are just like SA--have been for a while Now) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Judge him by what he brought about, not what the liberal twats say about him. South Africa went from first world to third world faster than any nation in history, with the possible exception of Zimbabwe. And I suppose the US would be third?? (Many/Most US cites are just like SA--have been for a while Now) Don't rush us we're working on it!  |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:52:03 PM EST
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:52:16 PM EST
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Men, Woman, Children, Farmers - Infants
Mandela and the ANC didn't give a fuck - Real Honorable people |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:52:56 PM EST
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are there links to the instances of some of his actions? like wiki pages or something? or names of the events didn't he also run illegal arms? Just google "ANC atrocites". Tons of sources. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:52:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cause he was a communist POS, who managed to take a nice, clean, safe, successful country Where people of a certain color were literally sub-human before the law, killed with impunity by police, and subject to show trials over trumped up charges. We can condemn him all we want for being a Marxist (it was kind of the de facto standard of anti-government movements in that era, so how much of a true-believer Marxist he really was is up for debate), but if gun owners or whites were kept under the government boot as sub-humans by force of law, you'd be shooting people and planting bombs in government offices too. And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:53:17 PM EST
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I'm not referring to the American revolution, which was a secessionist movement. I'm referring to the cries of "FO", "is it time yet", and "lines in the sand" that have been prevalent on this board for as long as I've been here. Along with the intermittent talk about how liberals will have their backs against the wall when the revolution comes and other such nonsense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. America revolutionaries create a stable government based on civilized ideals; The ANC set up a destablized government, that has it's black citizens, torturing and murdering its white citizens. I would say comfortable white people like you make me sick, but in all honesty, you're probably a malicious lefty. I'm not referring to the American revolution, which was a secessionist movement. I'm referring to the cries of "FO", "is it time yet", and "lines in the sand" that have been prevalent on this board for as long as I've been here. Along with the intermittent talk about how liberals will have their backs against the wall when the revolution comes and other such nonsense. Shh... they tend to spontaneously combust when you confront them with their vicious hypocrisy. ...on second thought, continue. Please. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:54:03 PM EST
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I don't know that much about South Africa, but you guys saying that blacks in apartheid SA should have been grateful for their position make me sick. If I were black, and my choice was to live in a country that systemically oppressed my race by limiting my freedom and my opportunities, or life in the anarchy that is SA now, call me an anarchist. Better than a bunch of you statists.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:54:08 PM EST
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Well this thread went the way I would suspect. Cant wait to get to see obungger and hillbitch and shit stain oprah graveside. No need to point anything new the thread carries it well.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:54:14 PM EST
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When he was arrested as a "political prisoner" He was in possession of almost a quarter MILLION Soviet Built explosive devices. Both Fragmentation grenades and AP mines.
Political Prisoner my ass. He was a thug and a Terrorist. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:54:37 PM EST
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I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. this. Snips, sometimes you're just too good at what you do. 
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:55:07 PM EST
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I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Edit: This isn't devil's advocate stuff. This is GD's rank hypocrisy getting to me. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:56:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ask the people who live there now if the place is "fixed." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cause he was a communist POS, who managed to take a nice, clean, safe, successful country Where people of a certain color were literally sub-human before the law, killed with impunity by police, and subject to show trials over trumped up charges. We can condemn him all we want for being a Marxist (it was kind of the de facto standard of anti-government movements in that era, so how much of a true-believer Marxist he really was is up for debate), but if gun owners or whites were kept under the government boot as sub-humans by force of law, you - and most of the people on this board condemning him as a terrorist - would be shooting people, slitting throats, and planting bombs in government offices too. And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. Ask the people who live there now if the place is "fixed." |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:57:00 PM EST
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I don't know that much about South Africa, but you guys saying that blacks in apartheid SA should have been grateful for their position make me sick. If I were black, and my choice was to live in a country that systemically oppressed my race by limiting my freedom and my opportunities, or life in the anarchy that is SA now, call me an anarchist. Better than a bunch of you statists. Funny thing about anarchy, it tends to kill a hell of a lot of the folks living in it. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:57:14 PM EST
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If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Drag us through the mud for what we do or have done. Please don't heap accusations based on what you THINK (not know) we will do in some future hypothetical situation. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:57:18 PM EST
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Do you think that absolves Apartheid-era South Africa? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ask the people who live there now if the place is "fixed." Do you think that absolves Apartheid-era South Africa? Yes. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:57:30 PM EST
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Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. It seems a safe bet he was a democratic socialist. I fully expect few will grasp the distinction. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:57:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: are there links to the instances of some of his actions? like wiki pages or something? or names of the events didn't he also run illegal arms? The State v. Nelson Mandela et al, Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964, Indictment. One count under the South African Suppression of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that the accused committed acts calculated to further the achievement of the objective of communism; • One count of contravening the South African Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any person from soliciting or receiving any money or articles for the purpose of achieving organized defiance of laws and country; and • Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding or procuring the commission of the following acts: 1) The further recruitment of persons for instruction and training, both within and outside the Republic of South Africa, in: (a) the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives—for the purpose of committing acts of violence and destruction in the aforesaid Republic, (the preparation and manufacture of explosives, according to evidence submitted, included 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder and a ton of black powder); (b) the art of warfare, including guerrilla warfare, and military training generally for the purpose in the aforesaid Republic; (ii) Further acts of violence and destruction, (this includes 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963); (iii) Acts of guerrilla warfare in the aforesaid Republic; (iv) Acts of assistance to military units of foreign countries when involving the aforesaid Republic; (v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused, injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed, with or endangered: (a) the health or safety of the public; (b) the maintenance of law and order; (c) the supply and distribution of light, power or fuel; (d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations; (e) the free movement of traffic on land; and (f) the property, movable or immovable, of other persons or of the state. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:58:03 PM EST
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Ask the people who live there now if the place is "fixed." Do you think that absolves Apartheid-era South Africa? Yes. Interesting. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:58:33 PM EST
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If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Edit: This isn't devil's advocate stuff. This is GD's rank hypocrisy getting to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Edit: This isn't devil's advocate stuff. This is GD's rank hypocrisy getting to me. So, putting GD's hypocrisy aside, do you wish for Mandela to rest in peace? Do you respect the man? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:59:28 PM EST
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Or was he a good guy? Really, not too up to snuff on my South African history. Enlighten me. My post on this from the other thread: He was a che style communist fuckwit, not to mention a militant race bater, and all around black supremacist. He launched a campaign of terrorism in South Africa, then caused untold deaths, suffering, and destruction. He was a darling of the global left, and ultimately was able to creat enough support through the propaganda of his liberal (communist) allies to force South Africa to capitulate. What followed was a purge, and persecution of White South Africans, and the complete communist takeover of South Africa. South Africa went from the wealthiest, and most stable country on the African continent, a shining beacon of freedom, and the free market, a first world country that was a strong American ally, that was once called "the bread basket of Africa" because it's abundant crops once fed nearly the entire continent, to being another third world African hellhole, run by communist pricks with a destroyed infrastructure, and economy, and famine. Today South Africa is known as the rape capital of the world where 3, out of every 4 women report being raped, most repeatedly. This change is do to mandella. Burn in hell. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 12:59:38 PM EST
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Drag us through the mud for what we do or have done. Please don't heap accusations based on what you THINK (not know) we will do in some future hypothetical situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Drag us through the mud for what we do or have done. Please don't heap accusations based on what you THINK (not know) we will do in some future hypothetical situation. If the government bans and confiscates guns from whites, would you revolt? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:00:05 PM EST
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Do you think that absolves Apartheid-era South Africa? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ask the people who live there now if the place is "fixed." Do you think that absolves Apartheid-era South Africa? The crimes of neither side absolve the other. I won't mourn Mandela. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:00:22 PM EST
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When he was arrested by the US People's Republic Homeland Security Forces as a "political prisoner" he was in possession of almost a quarter MILLION Soviet Built explosive devices. Both Fragmentation grenades and AP mines. Political Prisoner my ass. He was a thug and a Terrorist. Stop and think about how you would picture somebody with that kind of hardware who was being chased to the ends of the earth by a brutal police state. Maybe someone such as yourself after being on the wrong end of a particularly bad string of political upheavals in our own country. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:01:11 PM EST
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Funny thing about anarchy, it tends to kill a hell of a lot of the folks living in it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know that much about South Africa, but you guys saying that blacks in apartheid SA should have been grateful for their position make me sick. If I were black, and my choice was to live in a country that systemically oppressed my race by limiting my freedom and my opportunities, or life in the anarchy that is SA now, call me an anarchist. Better than a bunch of you statists. Funny thing about anarchy, it tends to kill a hell of a lot of the folks living in it. And yet 3/4 of ARFCOM would rather have anarchy than watch this country slip into a socialist society where they would become slaves to those around them and subjects of the government, exactly the situation in SA apartheid. At least I'm consistent. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:01:30 PM EST
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So, putting GD's hypocrisy aside, do you wish for Mandela to rest in peace? Do you respect the man? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Edit: This isn't devil's advocate stuff. This is GD's rank hypocrisy getting to me. So, putting GD's hypocrisy aside, do you wish for Mandela to rest in peace? Do you respect the man? No, I do not. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:01:30 PM EST
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Ill play devils advocate on Nelson. His early life was one of a terrorist and that is what he was imprisoned for. The man was involved with terrorist acts against the state(Bombings)
Do I believe he slightly changed in prison? Yes.........You can't stop a rebel being a rebel......He was going to be a Commie no matter what he did....However I do think he turned his back on violence at the end towards a peaceful means for change.....The late 80's was a bad time to be in South Africa and it was on the verge of exploding. When he became president like I said before he could have called for revenge but he didn't.
I honestly believe he tried to be a leader instead of a rebel towards the end. That being said he was a Communist. He did thank Castro when he first became President for helping them with the struggle. His Ex wife Winnie needs a dirt map in the worst way. The ANC have ruined South Africa and Zuma is another perfect example of corruption in South Africa. But I will say even though I still believe Mandela was rightfully prisoned for his actions I do respect him for trying to keep the peace after White rule ended. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:01:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's hard to know who was worse, the racist white apartheid era government, or the Marxist Mandela government. It's not easy to blame him for being a revolutionary against the institutional racism of the apartheid state. This. I don't believe there were any true winners in that battle. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:02:20 PM EST
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The crimes of neither side absolve the other. I won't mourn Mandela. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ask the people who live there now if the place is "fixed." Do you think that absolves Apartheid-era South Africa? The crimes of neither side absolve the other. I won't mourn Mandela. Agreed. Plenty of shit to go around. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:02:27 PM EST
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Or was he a good guy? Really, not too up to snuff on my South African history. Enlighten me. Fuck Mandela the communist, fuck the communist terrorist ANC, SWAPO, etc. fuck all of them. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:02:29 PM EST
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Ask the people who live there now if the place is "fixed." Do you think that absolves Apartheid-era South Africa? Yes. Interesting. I wonder what his screenname is on a certain other site named after an energetic precipitation threshold. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:03:21 PM EST
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If the government bans and confiscates guns from whites, would you revolt? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Drag us through the mud for what we do or have done. Please don't heap accusations based on what you THINK (not know) we will do in some future hypothetical situation. If the government bans and confiscates guns from whites, would you revolt? Probably. Would I be communist? No. Would I make a game of putting lit tires around the heads of people? Nope. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:03:32 PM EST
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Fox News sure is sucking his dick. I need to learn about this guy.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:04:29 PM EST
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Sometimes, a struggle is just evil vs. evil.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:04:29 PM EST
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Nelson Mandela:
-Received the Soviet Order of Lenin -Leader of the violent terrorist, communist organization; African National Congress -Signed off on the 1983 Church Street bombing carried out by the ANC killing 19 innocent people -Admits to ordering terrorist bombings in his autobiography; "Long walk to Freedom". More info on the Church Street Bombing here: http://www.southafricaproject...._street_bombing.html Burn in hell. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:05:28 PM EST
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Edit: This isn't devil's advocate stuff. This is GD's rank hypocrisy getting to me. So, putting GD's hypocrisy aside, do you wish for Mandela to rest in peace? Do you respect the man? No, I do not. OK, so I hope you can understand why you're seen as still playing devil's advocate. First, you've made it your trademark (and admitted to it in the past). Second, you're getting awfully hung up over hypocrisy because people are glad that a real life terrorist and Communist is dead. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:05:38 PM EST
[#48]
Banged Charlize Theron.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:05:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, putting GD's hypocrisy aside, do you wish for Mandela to rest in peace? Do you respect the man? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Edit: This isn't devil's advocate stuff. This is GD's rank hypocrisy getting to me. So, putting GD's hypocrisy aside, do you wish for Mandela to rest in peace? Do you respect the man? Imagine some folks from a land far, far away invade your country. They are foreign. They have better technology, look different, speak different languages and what not. These people take over your lands, and make their own country. At the same time, they set up a brutally repressive regime, targeting you and your fellow countrymen. It is hell on Earth. If your only choice to end the suffering was to start murdering, blowing stuff up and burning stuff down, would you not do it in a heart beat? I would. And because I would, I cannot really fault the guy. So yes, I suppose I do respect Mandela. I do respect Dr. King more, for accomplishing largely the same goal without an insurgency. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:05:59 PM EST
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Ted Cruz's Facebook:
Nelson Mandela will live in history as an inspiration for defenders of liberty around the globe. He stood firm for decades on the principle that until all South Africans enjoyed equal liberties he would not leave prison himself, declaring in his autobiography, 'Freedom is indivisible; the chains on any one of my people were the chains on all of them, the chains on all of my people were the chains on me.' Because of his epic fight against injustice, an entire nation is now free. We mourn his loss and offer our condolences to his family and the people of South Africa.
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