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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:08:42 PM EST
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Mandela is sort of like MADD. They both started out with noble goals, saw them achieved, and then went full retard.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:09:00 PM EST
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First post. End thread.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:09:03 PM EST
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OK, so I hope you can understand why you're seen as still playing devil's advocate. First, you've made it your trademark (and admitted to it in the past). Second, you're getting awfully hung up over hypocrisy because people are glad that a real life terrorist and Communist is dead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you wanted support from the US, you wrapped yourself in pro-Democracy terms. If you couldn't get support from the US, you called yourself a Communist and went to the USSR for support instead. Whether he was actually a Communist or not, I don't know. I do know that the oft-talked about GD revolution would be a massive terrorist action. All over a situation which would not be as bad as what drove Mandela to start his terroristic slaughter. Edit: This isn't devil's advocate stuff. This is GD's rank hypocrisy getting to me. So, putting GD's hypocrisy aside, do you wish for Mandela to rest in peace? Do you respect the man? No, I do not. OK, so I hope you can understand why you're seen as still playing devil's advocate. First, you've made it your trademark (and admitted to it in the past). Second, you're getting awfully hung up over hypocrisy because people are glad that a real life terrorist and Communist is dead. A man who used terrorism to achieve an objective that I've seen advocated here so many times over the years. And yes, if you're revolting against our government, you're going to be a terrorist and using terrorist methods. Shit, one of the most common tactics discussed when a civil war scenario comes up is killing the families of soldiers who are defending the regime. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:09:07 PM EST
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Flags flown at half-staff tomorrow?
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:11:21 PM EST
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As far as him resting in peace, that's between him and God. It's none of my business. Imagine some folks from a land far, far away invade your country. They are foreign. They have better technology, look different, speak different languages and what not. These people take over your lands, and make their own country. At the same time, they set up a brutally repressive regime, targeting you and your fellow countrymen. It is hell on Earth. If your only choice to end the suffering was to start murdering, blowing stuff up and burning stuff down, would you not do it in a heart beat? I would. And because I would, I cannot really fault the guy. So yes, I suppose I do respect Mandela. I do respect Dr. King more, for accomplishing largely the same goal without an insurgency. One of the craziest things to me is the idea of black servicemen going off to Europe to fight for the freedom of foreigners, coming back to being treated like subhuman scum, and waiting 2 decades before getting justice peacefully. I still can not believe how little violence erupted in 1945 after they came back home to that. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:12:05 PM EST
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Ask the people who live there now if the place is "fixed." Do you think that absolves Apartheid-era South Africa? Yes. Do explain. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:13:50 PM EST
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Or was he a good guy? Really, not too up to snuff on my South African history. Enlighten me. One man's 'freedom fighting hero' is another man's marxist/communist. Being black in South Africa during his early life wasn't any walk in the park. To black people, he's a hero and rightly so. To the the rich, white, bigoted establishment in power, he's whatever devil they want him to be at any point in time. Chris |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:13:58 PM EST
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First post. End thread. This. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:15:15 PM EST
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Ted Cruz's Facebook: Nelson Mandela will live in history as an inspiration for defenders of liberty around the globe. He stood firm for decades on the principle that until all South Africans enjoyed equal liberties he would not leave prison himself, declaring in his autobiography, 'Freedom is indivisible; the chains on any one of my people were the chains on all of them, the chains on all of my people were the chains on me.' Because of his epic fight against injustice, an entire nation is now free. We mourn his loss and offer our condolences to his family and the people of South Africa. 
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:15:35 PM EST
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A man who used terrorism to achieve an objective that I've seen advocated here so many times over the years. And yes, if you're revolting against our government, you're going to be a terrorist and using terrorist methods. Shit, one of the most common tactics discussed when a civil war scenario comes up is killing the families of soldiers who are defending the regime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, I do not. OK, so I hope you can understand why you're seen as still playing devil's advocate. First, you've made it your trademark (and admitted to it in the past). Second, you're getting awfully hung up over hypocrisy because people are glad that a real life terrorist and Communist is dead. A man who used terrorism to achieve an objective that I've seen advocated here so many times over the years. And yes, if you're revolting against our government, you're going to be a terrorist and using terrorist methods. Shit, one of the most common tactics discussed when a civil war scenario comes up is killing the families of soldiers who are defending the regime. If his country became a better place once he took power I suppose I might be able to see some of your point, but overall it became worse. Venezuela was in bad shape when I lived there in the mid 1990's. In large part due to government corruption. At one point I believe that three ex-Presidents of Venezuela in a row got bust for embezzling government funds and other corruption. The result? Venezuelans in their misplaced hopes elected Hugo Chavez into power. Chavez had previously led a failed coup, too. The result? Venezuela has gone from bad to worse. My feelings towards Mandela are similar to my feelings towards Chavez, except that I'm not aware of Chavez being as bad as Mandela was with terrorist activities. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:16:20 PM EST
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One of the craziest things to me is the idea of black servicemen going off to Europe to fight for the freedom of foreigners, coming back to being treated like subhuman scum, and waiting 2 decades before getting justice peacefully. I still can not believe how little violence erupted in 1945 after they came back home to that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as him resting in peace, that's between him and God. It's none of my business. Imagine some folks from a land far, far away invade your country. They are foreign. They have better technology, look different, speak different languages and what not. These people take over your lands, and make their own country. At the same time, they set up a brutally repressive regime, targeting you and your fellow countrymen. It is hell on Earth. If your only choice to end the suffering was to start murdering, blowing stuff up and burning stuff down, would you not do it in a heart beat? I would. And because I would, I cannot really fault the guy. So yes, I suppose I do respect Mandela. I do respect Dr. King more, for accomplishing largely the same goal without an insurgency. One of the craziest things to me is the idea of black servicemen going off to Europe to fight for the freedom of foreigners, coming back to being treated like subhuman scum, and waiting 2 decades before getting justice peacefully. I still can not believe how little violence erupted in 1945 after they came back home to that. Try after WW1 when they didn't let them ride back from Europe on some of the ships after holding the French line. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:17:42 PM EST
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Try after WW1 when they didn't let them ride back from Europe on some of the ships after holding the French line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as him resting in peace, that's between him and God. It's none of my business. Imagine some folks from a land far, far away invade your country. They are foreign. They have better technology, look different, speak different languages and what not. These people take over your lands, and make their own country. At the same time, they set up a brutally repressive regime, targeting you and your fellow countrymen. It is hell on Earth. If your only choice to end the suffering was to start murdering, blowing stuff up and burning stuff down, would you not do it in a heart beat? I would. And because I would, I cannot really fault the guy. So yes, I suppose I do respect Mandela. I do respect Dr. King more, for accomplishing largely the same goal without an insurgency. One of the craziest things to me is the idea of black servicemen going off to Europe to fight for the freedom of foreigners, coming back to being treated like subhuman scum, and waiting 2 decades before getting justice peacefully. I still can not believe how little violence erupted in 1945 after they came back home to that. Try after WW1 when they didn't let them ride back from Europe on some of the ships after holding the French line. Which is a shame and a black eye on our country's history, but doesn't justify the communist Mandela. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:18:11 PM EST
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But I will say even though I still believe Mandela was rightfully prisoned for his actions I do respect him for trying to keep the peace after White rule ended. He only did that because Whitey would have turned SA into Sriebenica if the Blacks acted out. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:18:25 PM EST
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Member of the A.N.C - And used to terrorize, Bomb and Slit white farmers throats at night Also racist asshole I think that's one of the most smarter things you ever posted. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:20:46 PM EST
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One of the craziest things to me is the idea of black white servicemen going off to Europe Vietnam to fight for the freedom of foreigners, coming back to being treated like subhuman scum, and waiting 2 decades before getting justice peacefully being treated with respect. I still can not believe how little violence erupted in 1945 after they came back home to that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as him resting in peace, that's between him and God. It's none of my business. Imagine some folks from a land far, far away invade your country. They are foreign. They have better technology, look different, speak different languages and what not. These people take over your lands, and make their own country. At the same time, they set up a brutally repressive regime, targeting you and your fellow countrymen. It is hell on Earth. If your only choice to end the suffering was to start murdering, blowing stuff up and burning stuff down, would you not do it in a heart beat? I would. And because I would, I cannot really fault the guy. So yes, I suppose I do respect Mandela. I do respect Dr. King more, for accomplishing largely the same goal without an insurgency. One of the craziest things to me is the idea of black white servicemen going off to Europe Vietnam to fight for the freedom of foreigners, coming back to being treated like subhuman scum, and waiting 2 decades before getting justice peacefully being treated with respect. I still can not believe how little violence erupted in 1945 after they came back home to that. It works both ways. Being treated like scum is an equal opportunity proposition. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:21:58 PM EST
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Where people of a certain color were literally sub-human before the law, killed with impunity by police, and subject to show trials over trumped up charges. We can condemn him all we want for being a Marxist (it was kind of the de facto standard of anti-government movements in that era, so how much of a true-believer Marxist he really was is up for debate), but if gun owners or whites were kept under the government boot as sub-humans by force of law, you - and most of the people on this board condemning him as a terrorist - would be shooting people, slitting throats, and planting bombs in government offices too. And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cause he was a communist POS, who managed to take a nice, clean, safe, successful country Where people of a certain color were literally sub-human before the law, killed with impunity by police, and subject to show trials over trumped up charges. We can condemn him all we want for being a Marxist (it was kind of the de facto standard of anti-government movements in that era, so how much of a true-believer Marxist he really was is up for debate), but if gun owners or whites were kept under the government boot as sub-humans by force of law, you - and most of the people on this board condemning him as a terrorist - would be shooting people, slitting throats, and planting bombs in government offices too. And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. Are you fucking kidding? Is this a joke? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:22:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do explain. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ask the people who live there now if the place is "fixed." Do you think that absolves Apartheid-era South Africa? Yes. Do explain. I too would like to hear his reasoning behind that statement. Not holding my breath, though.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:23:05 PM EST
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Timonthy Mcvay - Mandela .... Wait im confused how these two are different
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:23:47 PM EST
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geez GD doesn't like a black man involved in civil rights for blacks?
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:24:00 PM EST
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Where people of a certain color were literally sub-human before the law, killed with impunity by police, and subject to show trials over trumped up charges. We can condemn him all we want for being a Marxist (it was kind of the de facto standard of anti-government movements in that era, so how much of a true-believer Marxist he really was is up for debate), but if gun owners or whites were kept under the government boot as sub-humans by force of law, you - and most of the people on this board condemning him as a terrorist - would be shooting people, slitting throats, and planting bombs in government offices too. And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cause he was a communist POS, who managed to take a nice, clean, safe, successful country Where people of a certain color were literally sub-human before the law, killed with impunity by police, and subject to show trials over trumped up charges. We can condemn him all we want for being a Marxist (it was kind of the de facto standard of anti-government movements in that era, so how much of a true-believer Marxist he really was is up for debate), but if gun owners or whites were kept under the government boot as sub-humans by force of law, you - and most of the people on this board condemning him as a terrorist - would be shooting people, slitting throats, and planting bombs in government offices too. And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. Magazine articles are not books. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:24:48 PM EST
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I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. I normally agree Shane, but this board is far too hyperbolic for its own good sometimes. For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition. I cannot say with 100% certainty that given the chance I wouldn't violently rebel against such oppression. In fact, I know I would. Mandela abused his authority no doubt, but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:25:06 PM EST
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Are you fucking kidding? Is this a joke? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cause he was a communist POS, who managed to take a nice, clean, safe, successful country Where people of a certain color were literally sub-human before the law, killed with impunity by police, and subject to show trials over trumped up charges. We can condemn him all we want for being a Marxist (it was kind of the de facto standard of anti-government movements in that era, so how much of a true-believer Marxist he really was is up for debate), but if gun owners or whites were kept under the government boot as sub-humans by force of law, you - and most of the people on this board condemning him as a terrorist - would be shooting people, slitting throats, and planting bombs in government offices too. And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. Are you fucking kidding? Is this a joke? What part of what he wrote, are you having trouble with? Maybe people can help? Chris |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:25:37 PM EST
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geez GD doesn't like a black man involved in civil rights for blacks? MLK - Did it through peaceful walks and religion - He aint no Nelson Mandingo |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:26:28 PM EST
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Short answer: He was a Marxist
Long Answer: Mandela United FC |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:27:20 PM EST
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Does this also mean we are done with Paul Walker?
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:28:23 PM EST
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.......................... but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation. So it's OK to shoot looters and rioters in the "poor" neighborhoods? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:28:38 PM EST
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I normally agree Shane, but this board is far too hyperbolic for its own good sometimes. For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition. I cannot say with 100% certainty that given the chance I wouldn't violently rebel against such oppression. In fact, I know I would. Mandela abused his authority no doubt, but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. I normally agree Shane, but this board is far too hyperbolic for its own good sometimes. For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition. I cannot say with 100% certainty that given the chance I wouldn't violently rebel against such oppression. In fact, I know I would. Mandela abused his authority no doubt, but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation. I'll think on those points you make, but I'm not missing him. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:28:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MLK - Did it through peaceful walks and religion - He aint no Nelson Mandingo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: geez GD doesn't like a black man involved in civil rights for blacks? MLK - Did it through peaceful walks and religion - He aint no Nelson Mandingo  |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:29:06 PM EST
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Where people of a certain color were literally sub-human before the law, killed with impunity by police, and subject to show trials over trumped up charges. We can condemn him all we want for being a Marxist (it was kind of the de facto standard of anti-government movements in that era, so how much of a true-believer Marxist he really was is up for debate), but if gun owners or whites were kept under the government boot as sub-humans by force of law, you - and most of the people on this board condemning him as a terrorist - would be shooting people, slitting throats, and planting bombs in government offices too. And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cause he was a communist POS, who managed to take a nice, clean, safe, successful country Where people of a certain color were literally sub-human before the law, killed with impunity by police, and subject to show trials over trumped up charges. We can condemn him all we want for being a Marxist (it was kind of the de facto standard of anti-government movements in that era, so how much of a true-believer Marxist he really was is up for debate), but if gun owners or whites were kept under the government boot as sub-humans by force of law, you - and most of the people on this board condemning him as a terrorist - would be shooting people, slitting throats, and planting bombs in government offices too. And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. Pretty much agree. You're only a terrorist if you lose. Go back through history, and the vast majority of great men have blood on their hands in some fashion. You can't look at what Mandela did in a vacuum, without also considering what was being done to his people at the time. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:29:55 PM EST
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You can't look at what Mandela did in a vacuum, without also considering what was being done to his people at the time. People are complicated. Imagine that.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:30:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ted Cruz's Facebook: Nelson Mandela will live in history as an inspiration for defenders of liberty around the globe. He stood firm for decades on the principle that until all South Africans enjoyed equal liberties he would not leave prison himself, declaring in his autobiography, 'Freedom is indivisible; the chains on any one of my people were the chains on all of them, the chains on all of my people were the chains on me.' Because of his epic fight against injustice, an entire nation is now free. We mourn his loss and offer our condolences to his family and the people of South Africa. You don't win votes by trashing Mandela. The vast majority of Americans think he was a saint (or don't know who he was at all). |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:30:43 PM EST
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Sean Hanity is currently fellating Mandella's memory. Says Mandella "saved" SA. Says he had 'vision'. I think I'm gonna puke. Hannity is a cunt. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:31:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll think on those points you make, but I'm not missing him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. I normally agree Shane, but this board is far too hyperbolic for its own good sometimes. For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition. I cannot say with 100% certainty that given the chance I wouldn't violently rebel against such oppression. In fact, I know I would. Mandela abused his authority no doubt, but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation. I'll think on those points you make, but I'm not missing him. If UN troops invaded Utah would you accept anti tank rockets from Cuba?
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:32:02 PM EST
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Does this also mean we are done with Paul Walker? I don't know. Honestly, Paul Walker was a much better person all around, though his impact on the world was much smaller in comparison.  The only evils that you could possibly pin on Paul Walker are broken traffic laws, living in SoCal, and possibly voting Democrat, all of which pale in comparison to necklacing. 
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:33:59 PM EST
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And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cause he was a communist POS, who managed to take a nice, clean, safe, successful country And if I recall, we had an era in our country where that was exactly the case. All said and done, South Africa handled the whole problem of fixing that much more gracefully than we did. You haven't met many people from South Africa. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:34:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. Honestly, Paul Walker was a much better person all around, though his impact on the world was much smaller in comparison. The only evils that you could possibly pin on Paul Walker are broken traffic laws, living in SoCal, and possibly voting Democrat, all of which pale in comparison to necklacing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does this also mean we are done with Paul Walker? I don't know. Honestly, Paul Walker was a much better person all around, though his impact on the world was much smaller in comparison. The only evils that you could possibly pin on Paul Walker are broken traffic laws, living in SoCal, and possibly voting Democrat, all of which pale in comparison to necklacing. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:35:12 PM EST
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I don't know much about Mandela's supposed terrorist activities, he certainly was linked with socialists and his wife was involved in various criminal bullshit. But would you really have just sat back and done nothing if you were a black guy in 1980 South Africa. If UN troops invaded Utah would you accept anti tank rockets from Cuba? This is GD. Reason will get you nowhere. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:35:41 PM EST
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geez GD doesn't like a black man involved in civil rights for blacks? MLK - Did it through peaceful walks and religion - He aint no Nelson Mandingo Contextual difference. Place MLK in 1920s Mississippi and see how far peaceful protest would've gotten him. I'm not heaping praise on Mandela, but this board is chock full of the obstinate and willfully ignorant. You try to forcefully remove me and my family from my home, eliminate any political representation, while confining me to hard labor...I'm going to start killing the perps until they get me. Doesn't make me a terrorist. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:35:56 PM EST
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This is GD. Reason will get you nowhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know much about Mandela's supposed terrorist activities, he certainly was linked with socialists and his wife was involved in various criminal bullshit. But would you really have just sat back and done nothing if you were a black guy in 1980 South Africa. If UN troops invaded Utah would you accept anti tank rockets from Cuba? This is GD. Reason will get you nowhere. I Imagine Cuba would be sided with UN troops .50 Beuwolf > UN TROOPS |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:36:58 PM EST
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It works both ways. Being treated like scum is an equal opportunity proposition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As far as him resting in peace, that's between him and God. It's none of my business. Imagine some folks from a land far, far away invade your country. They are foreign. They have better technology, look different, speak different languages and what not. These people take over your lands, and make their own country. At the same time, they set up a brutally repressive regime, targeting you and your fellow countrymen. It is hell on Earth. If your only choice to end the suffering was to start murdering, blowing stuff up and burning stuff down, would you not do it in a heart beat? I would. And because I would, I cannot really fault the guy. So yes, I suppose I do respect Mandela. I do respect Dr. King more, for accomplishing largely the same goal without an insurgency. One of the craziest things to me is the idea of black white servicemen going off to Europe Vietnam to fight for the freedom of foreigners, coming back to being treated like subhuman scum, and waiting 2 decades before getting justice peacefully being treated with respect. I still can not believe how little violence erupted in 1945 after they came back home to that. It works both ways. Being treated like scum is an equal opportunity proposition. You're really claiming that the treatment of blacks in the 40s is comparable to how white servicemen were treated in the 70s.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:38:01 PM EST
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This is GD. Reason will get you nowhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know much about Mandela's supposed terrorist activities, he certainly was linked with socialists and his wife was involved in various criminal bullshit. But would you really have just sat back and done nothing if you were a black guy in 1980 South Africa. If UN troops invaded Utah would you accept anti tank rockets from Cuba? This is GD. Reason will get you nowhere. Fortunately Shane has shown himself to be an intelligent person, even when you disagree with him. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:38:33 PM EST
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I get people not liking him because he was a Marxist. But all the people slamming him for violence...I wonder if most of GD thinks our founding fathers won our nation away from the crown in a tickle fight.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:39:54 PM EST
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I don't know much about Mandela's supposed terrorist activities, he certainly was linked with socialists and his wife was involved in various criminal bullshit. But would you really have just sat back and done nothing if you were a black guy in 1980 South Africa. If UN troops invaded Utah would you accept anti tank rockets from Cuba? Tough questions. I'd hope that I at least wouldn't take women and children and put burning tires on the their necks. Fair point asking what would I do if there were foreigners taking over my homeland by force. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:40:24 PM EST
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ABC News and Diane Sawyer would disagree. She's having orgasms on screen talking about this wonderful man
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:40:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition. Let me throw the GD spin on it. You mean the hard working producers of the country did what was needed to keep their FSA from destroying a country that was a step above every other African nation? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:40:25 PM EST
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. Yeah, because the weekly "imma go inna woods and fight the government" threads always go into lengthy discussions about how they would carbomb random government buildings in the middle of rushhour and storm churches and shoot everyone inside right? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:40:41 PM EST
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Does this also mean we are done with Paul Walker? I don't know. Honestly, Paul Walker was a much better person all around, though his impact on the world was much smaller in comparison. The only evils that you could possibly pin on Paul Walker are broken traffic laws, living in SoCal, and possibly voting Democrat, all of which pale in comparison to necklacing. God I remember when the first one came out. Everyone went to pep boys and bought all sorts of goofy shit for their car. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:41:40 PM EST
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Tough questions. I'd hope that I at least wouldn't take women and children and put burning tires on the their necks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know much about Mandela's supposed terrorist activities, he certainly was linked with socialists and his wife was involved in various criminal bullshit. But would you really have just sat back and done nothing if you were a black guy in 1980 South Africa. If UN troops invaded Utah would you accept anti tank rockets from Cuba? Tough questions. I'd hope that I at least wouldn't take women and children and put burning tires on the their necks. I don't think anyone thinks Mandela is a saint, at least in this thread. But its definitely not as simple as "welp he was a commie and a terrorist fuck him." If I was black growing up in SA when he did, I might (hell, probably would) have turned out the same way. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:42:02 PM EST
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Tough questions. I'd hope that I at least wouldn't take women and children and put burning tires on the their necks. I wouldn't opt for it as plan A, but I will tell you this. Back against the wall, shit hits the fan, there's very little I wouldn't do for my family, nation and ideals. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:42:10 PM EST
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I don't know. Honestly, Paul Walker was a much better person all around, though his impact on the world was much smaller in comparison. The only evils that you could possibly pin on Paul Walker are broken traffic laws, living in SoCal, and possibly voting Democrat, all of which pale in comparison to necklacing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does this also mean we are done with Paul Walker? I don't know. Honestly, Paul Walker was a much better person all around, though his impact on the world was much smaller in comparison. The only evils that you could possibly pin on Paul Walker are broken traffic laws, living in SoCal, and possibly voting Democrat, all of which pale in comparison to necklacing. Impact. 
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