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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:35:47 PM EST

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He easily could have turned into another Mugabe once he was released from prison.

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SA is not far behind Zimbabwe my friend.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:36:32 PM EST

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The Klan was also active in the North in the past as well

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Why are you bringing up the Deep South in the 1960s?

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I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time.

The man was a communist and an actual terrorist.

I normally agree Shane, but this board is far too hyperbolic for its own good sometimes.

For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition.

I cannot say with 100% certainty that given the chance I wouldn't violently rebel against such oppression. In fact, I know I would.

Mandela abused his authority no doubt, but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation.

Would you murder children and bomb churches?

Why are you bringing up the Deep South in the 1960s?

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:37:15 PM EST

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Hate your own country do you?

Throughout time, when sects of people collide these things happen.

If your referring to the American slave period, while deplorable, slaves in America were prized by their owners and taken care of.

In fact, in the annals of slave history, slaves under whites were treated better than under any other master: Arabs, Persians, other Africans, etc.

The worst slave masters and traders of all time have been other Africans.

History is there for you to learn.

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You crack me up JB.

I hate the part of my country's history where we brought back slaves in chains and did unspeakable things to them because they had a different skin color, were relatively cheap to employ across lifespans and didn't speak the King's English. Same with what we did here to the N.A.I..

I understand that that was what people did and have done, over the course of history: conquer and absorb, but that doesn't mean it's the morally right thing to do, does it?

The fact that we didn't constantly feed American slaves handfuls of their own shit to eat, I guess that makes us the good guys compared to the Romans, Persians and Spanish, in your mind?

Your argument is akin to claiming that compared to the guy that gouges your eyes out, or the guy that cuts your balls off are much worse than the guy who only cuts only a hand off.

Great logic, there champ.

N.M. has his flaws, but to his people, he's a freedom fighting hero and the whole 'marxist/communist' label was simply one of expediency in the eyes of the conservative white minority, IMO.

You're truly a piece of work.

Chris

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:37:38 PM EST

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It's not difficult to pick out individual examples of terrible, sadistic abuse.

The facts still stand. Look up the Persians, the Arabs...see how they treated their property when they knew it could be replaced
so easily just across the river.

Hopefully the son of a bitch that committed that was killed promptly after and, better yet, by his own slave.

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beat the shit out of my prized possessions all the time, don't you?

It's not difficult to pick out individual examples of terrible, sadistic abuse.

The facts still stand. Look up the Persians, the Arabs...see how they treated their property when they knew it could be replaced
so easily just across the river.

Hopefully the son of a bitch that committed that was killed promptly after and, better yet, by his own slave.

Lol you are a loon.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:37:46 PM EST

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Regardless of all the heated rhetoric about right and wrong, how about we just look at what happened, and discuss....

There has to be a reason the country changed so drastically after the abolition of Apartheid. I mean they got their dream, shouldn't it be some sort of glorious, peaceful, successful, bucolic wonderland of love and equality?

But its not...and there have to be reasons why.

Probably similar reasons as to why Detroit is a shithole...leftist commie bastards can't run anything, and Socialism and class warfare don't work in the long run....

In any case I won't be losing any sleep over the long overdue death of a scumbag...

Also, genuine curiosity...if the SA Gov was SOOO bad, why didn't they just whack the sonufabitch while they had him in prison for 27 years??? Would have solved a lot of problems....

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:37:57 PM EST

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mandela is a the very best kind of commie pos - A Dead One

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:38:30 PM EST

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The only thing I will say in support of Mandela is that he is one of the main reasons why there was not an outright genocide of white South Africans right after apartheid ended. What most people forget is that it was not a revolution that overthrew the white government, it was a negotiated truce with a slow transition.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:38:40 PM EST

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Read his post and do what with it? Dude, you're making no sense.

I'm sure as a white dude, his life was pretty sweet until those pesky negroes tried to fight for equality.

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So your not actually interested in learning from someone who lived there.

You just want to remain an imbecile?

Does SA have freedom now...what the current statistic for child rape there...ya start there?

Wait...you won't look up anything.

Nevermind.

Next.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:39:07 PM EST

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Just a note, Pol Pot's birthday in in May, just giving you a head start on the celebration.

Maybe you should do a write in Campaign for an Idi Amin Christmas Special?

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:40:25 PM EST

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None of my thoughts would be "let's just go kill random fucking people"

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Says the guy with a Nazi war helmet in his Avatar.

Oh the irony.

Chris

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:40:54 PM EST

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You crack me up JB.

I hate the part of my country's history where we brought back slaves in chains and did unspeakable things to them because they had a different skin color, were relatively cheap to employ across lifespans and didn't speak the King's English. Same with what we did here to the N.A.I..

I understand that that was what people did and have done, over the course of history: conquer and absorb, but that doesn't mean it's the morally right thing to do, does it?

The fact that we didn't constantly feed American slaves handfuls of their own shit to eat, I guess that makes us the good guys compared to the Romans, Persians and Spanish, in your mind?

Your argument is akin to claiming that compared to the guy that gouges your eyes out, or the guy that cuts your balls off are much worse than the guy who only cuts only a hand off.

Great logic, there champ.

N.M. has his flaws, but to his people, he's a freedom fighting hero and the whole 'marxist/communist' label was simply one of expediency in the eyes of the conservative white minority, IMO.

You're truly a piece of work.

Chris

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Hate your own country do you?

Throughout time, when sects of people collide these things happen.

If your referring to the American slave period, while deplorable, slaves in America were prized by their owners and taken care of.

In fact, in the annals of slave history, slaves under whites were treated better than under any other master: Arabs, Persians, other Africans, etc.

The worst slave masters and traders of all time have been other Africans.

History is there for you to learn.

You crack me up JB.

I hate the part of my country's history where we brought back slaves in chains and did unspeakable things to them because they had a different skin color, were relatively cheap to employ across lifespans and didn't speak the King's English. Same with what we did here to the N.A.I..

I understand that that was what people did and have done, over the course of history: conquer and absorb, but that doesn't mean it's the morally right thing to do, does it?

The fact that we didn't constantly feed American slaves handfuls of their own shit to eat, I guess that makes us the good guys compared to the Romans, Persians and Spanish, in your mind?

Your argument is akin to claiming that compared to the guy that gouges your eyes out, or the guy that cuts your balls off are much worse than the guy who only cuts only a hand off.

Great logic, there champ.

N.M. has his flaws, but to his people, he's a freedom fighting hero and the whole 'marxist/communist' label was simply one of expediency in the eyes of the conservative white minority, IMO.

You're truly a piece of work.

Chris

Did over a half million white people die to free the slaves?

Ya, us white folk are all paid up.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:41:53 PM EST

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So your not actually interested in learning from someone who lived there.

You just want to remain an imbecile?

Does SA have freedom now...what the current statistic for child rape there...ya start there?

Wait...you won't look up anything.

Nevermind.

Next.

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Read his post and do what with it? Dude, you're making no sense.

I'm sure as a white dude, his life was pretty sweet until those pesky negroes tried to fight for equality.

So your not actually interested in learning from someone who lived there.

You just want to remain an imbecile?

Does SA have freedom now...what the current statistic for child rape there...ya start there?

Wait...you won't look up anything.

Nevermind.

Next.

Again, I'm faced with trying to decipher your rubish posts.

What does SA "now" have to do with fighting apartheid?

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:43:35 PM EST

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<Removed - T7> Seriously.

Now you're calling the SA guy who posted EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPERIENCED, a racist. You are a smarmy dirtball. You have managed to make a human being who personally experienced the horrors of Communist terrorism, the bad guy.

There are ways to express yourself without resorting to personal attacks.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:43:58 PM EST

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As usual, you're full of it.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:44:58 PM EST

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Again, I'm faced with trying to decipher your rubish posts.

What does SA "now" have to do with fighting apartheid?

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Read his post and do what with it? Dude, you're making no sense.

I'm sure as a white dude, his life was pretty sweet until those pesky negroes tried to fight for equality.

So your not actually interested in learning from someone who lived there.

You just want to remain an imbecile?

Does SA have freedom now...what the current statistic for child rape there...ya start there?

Wait...you won't look up anything.

Nevermind.

Next.

Again, I'm faced with trying to decipher your rubish posts.

What does SA "now" have to do with fighting apartheid?

Why has the agricultural GDP of SA gone down 9 points since 1994?

....causing food shortages in SA.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:45:41 PM EST

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Good riddance. I hope Mugabe is next and it's slow and painful.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:46:25 PM EST

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... you mean, "other than the ones run by Mandela" ...

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:47:30 PM EST

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Why has the agricultural GDP of SA gone down 9 points since 1994?

....causing food shortages in SA.

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Read his post and do what with it? Dude, you're making no sense.

I'm sure as a white dude, his life was pretty sweet until those pesky negroes tried to fight for equality.

So your not actually interested in learning from someone who lived there.

You just want to remain an imbecile?

Does SA have freedom now...what the current statistic for child rape there...ya start there?

Wait...you won't look up anything.

Nevermind.

Next.

Again, I'm faced with trying to decipher your rubish posts.

What does SA "now" have to do with fighting apartheid?

Why has the agricultural GDP of SA gone down 9 points since 1994?

....causing food shortages in SA.

Perhaps I can make sense of this.

So by me saying I don't have a problem with violent revolution in the face of apartheid, you took that as my full endorsement of Mandela. And that is where you are confused.

Mandela was a communist. His politics and policies of course failed. However that has nothing to do with him being on the right side of apartheid and fighting it.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:48:05 PM EST

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The only thing I will say in support of Mandela is that he is one of the main reasons why there was not an outright genocide of white South Africans right after apartheid ended. What most people forget is that it was not a revolution that overthrew the white government, it was a negotiated truce with a slow transition.

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With Mandela on his dirt nap; it will be interesting to see how much worse and how quickly things get worse in SA.

I tell my families Kenya story every year or two, don't feel like typing it all out tonight and suffice to say:

If you are white in SA, I would beg, borrow, or steal a way out of there. Mandela, communist terrorist that he was, apparently was a modifying force to the more radical and bloodthirsty, revenge oriented blacks struggling for power.

Now the gates are open and in the words of Al Swerengen:

The whites left behind "have settled in for one long term assfucking."

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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:48:35 PM EST

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"Apartheid wasn't perfect" lol

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:51:11 PM EST

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Well it would have been if certain types didn't insist on being so uppity.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:52:13 PM EST

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<Removed - T7>. Seriously.

Now you're calling the SA guy who posted EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPERIENCED, a racist. You are a smarmy dirtball. You have managed to make a human being who personally experienced the horrors of Communist terrorism, the bad guy.

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I'm sure as a white dude, his life was pretty sweet until those pesky negroes tried to fight for equality.

<Removed - T7>. Seriously.

Now you're calling the SA guy who posted EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPERIENCED, a racist. You are a smarmy dirtball. You have managed to make a human being who personally experienced the horrors of Communist terrorism, the bad guy.

Sure are lots of sensitive people in this thread.

What moisturizer do you use?

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:53:31 PM EST

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Perhaps I can make sense of this.

So by me saying I don't have a problem with violent revolution in the face of apartheid, you took that as my full endorsement of Mandela. And that is where you are confused.

Mandela was a communist. His politics and policies of course failed. However that has nothing to do with him being on the right side of apartheid and fighting it.

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Read his post and do what with it? Dude, you're making no sense.

I'm sure as a white dude, his life was pretty sweet until those pesky negroes tried to fight for equality.

So your not actually interested in learning from someone who lived there.

You just want to remain an imbecile?

Does SA have freedom now...what the current statistic for child rape there...ya start there?

Wait...you won't look up anything.

Nevermind.

Next.

Again, I'm faced with trying to decipher your rubish posts.

What does SA "now" have to do with fighting apartheid?

Why has the agricultural GDP of SA gone down 9 points since 1994?

....causing food shortages in SA.

Perhaps I can make sense of this.

So by me saying I don't have a problem with violent revolution in the face of apartheid, you took that as my full endorsement of Mandela. And that is where you are confused.

Mandela was a communist. His politics and policies of course failed. However that has nothing to do with him being on the right side of apartheid and fighting it.

No, your understanding of Apartheid is incorrect.

How is the whtie population, the builders and keepers of modern SA civlization, suppose to contain a communist insurgency within it's borders?

If the ANC explicitly says it's going to target whites and there are many black workers/laborers that work in the white communities and business, how can white
people protect themselves?

Do you know how a counter insurgency works...blending in amongst the populace?

Apartheid was mostly a strategy of containment against the insurgency and communist influence via black communit representation.

Tell me, did the ANC kill more black citizens than white?

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:54:53 PM EST

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Now you're calling the SA guy who posted EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPERIENCED, a racist. You are a smarmy dirtball. You have managed to make a human being who personally experienced the horrors of Communist terrorism, the bad guy.

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I'm sure as a white dude, his life was pretty sweet until those pesky negroes tried to fight for equality.

Now you're calling the SA guy who posted EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPERIENCED, a racist. You are a smarmy dirtball. You have managed to make a human being who personally experienced the horrors of Communist terrorism, the bad guy.

The valuable lesson is that you don't treat the majority as "others". The majority will start to develop other ideals from your own.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:57:03 PM EST

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No, your understanding of Apartheid is incorrect.

How is the whtie population, the builders and keepers of modern SA civlization, suppose to contain a communist insurgency within it's borders?

If the ANC explicitly says it's going to target whites and there are many black workers/laborers that work in the white communities and businesses, how can white
people protect themselves and black workers?

As offensive as Apartheid seems, it was mostly a strategy of containment against the insurgency and communist influence via black communit representation (elections)

Tell me, did the ANC kill more black citizens than white?

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Why didn't you say that in the first place? If I knew I was discussing apartheid with someone who defends it, I wouldn't have even bothered.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:57:24 PM EST

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Why are you bringing up the Deep South in the 1960s?

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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad.

I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time.

The man was a communist and an actual terrorist.

I normally agree Shane, but this board is far too hyperbolic for its own good sometimes.

For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition.

I cannot say with 100% certainty that given the chance I wouldn't violently rebel against such oppression. In fact, I know I would.

Mandela abused his authority no doubt, but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation.

Would you murder children and bomb churches?

Why are you bringing up the Deep South in the 1960s?

And have we whitewashed that part of our past?

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:57:31 PM EST

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The valuable lesson is that you don't treat the majority as "others". The majority will start to develop other ideals from your own.

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I'm sure as a white dude, his life was pretty sweet until those pesky negroes tried to fight for equality.

Now you're calling the SA guy who posted EXACTLY WHAT HE EXPERIENCED, a racist. You are a smarmy dirtball. You have managed to make a human being who personally experienced the horrors of Communist terrorism, the bad guy.

The valuable lesson is that you don't treat the majority as "others". The majority will start to develop other ideals from your own.

Inevitable more or less, as the majority of black African political ideology has a history of aligning with marxist ideology.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:57:43 PM EST

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Did over a half million white people die to free the slaves?

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Hey...I thought that the Civil War was fought over States' rights and not slavery?

Is GD wrong, or just you?

Chris

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:59:37 PM EST

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South Africa oppressed blacks under apartheid, it was wrong and there's no way to argue that it was right.

As bad as it was, south Africa was a very successful country as far as African nations went. Unemployment rate in the 5%-8%, good economic growth, low crime rates and the like.

Then , when Mandela led the revolt, he/they instituted a communist, corrupt government. Now EVERYONE in SA suffers. Unemployment in 1980 was 8%, today it is in the 30% range. Violent crime has skyrocketed and the AVERAGE South African is much worse off. Blacks might be 'free' in a post-apartheid state, but for the vast majority, most are in worse shape than they were 30 years ago.

Posted: 12/5/2013 3:59:40 PM EST

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Why didn't you say that in the first place? If I knew I was discussing apartheid with someone who defends it, I wouldn't have even bothered.

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No, your understanding of Apartheid is incorrect.

How is the whtie population, the builders and keepers of modern SA civlization, suppose to contain a communist insurgency within it's borders?

If the ANC explicitly says it's going to target whites and there are many black workers/laborers that work in the white communities and businesses, how can white
people protect themselves and black workers?

As offensive as Apartheid seems, it was mostly a strategy of containment against the insurgency and communist influence via black communit representation (elections)

Tell me, did the ANC kill more black citizens than white?

Why didn't you say that in the first place? If I knew I was discussing apartheid with someone who defends it, I wouldn't have even bothered.

Which is of course why you didn't bother reading the post from our SA member, as he did explain it properly, as many factual history books have explained it.

Remain ignorant if you must.

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:01:41 PM EST

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Hey...I thought that the Civil War was fought over States' rights and not slavery?

Is GD wrong, or just you?

Chris

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Did over a half million white people die to free the slaves?

Ya, us white folk are all paid up.

Hey...I thought that the Civil War was fought over States' rights and not slavery?

Is GD wrong, or just you?

Chris

Bless your heart....it was fought on both fronts.

I think ol'Abe confirms that quite nicely.

So what more should us white folk do for you?

We died in genocidal number for you...you don't appreciate it.

You want slave reparations too?

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:01:54 PM EST

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I have mixed feelings about Mandela.

1) He was in reality a murderer and a member of the South African Communist Party.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2012/06aJuly/NMandela-2.jpg

2) His economic policies are Maoist and stupid. He destroyed South Africa's future by the destruction of the economy and allowing corruption/cronyism.

The current president of South Africa Jacob Zuma, singing 'kill the Boar' or white farmer. This is the reality on the ground there. Ignorance and racism on the part of the leadership.

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Where is the mixed feelings?

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:02:43 PM EST

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Don't worry guys there is still a great leader left in Africa *Sarcasm*

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:03:51 PM EST

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Commie.

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:04:14 PM EST

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Cause he was a communist POS, who managed to take a nice, clean, safe, successful country, and turn it into an unsafe third world shithole, where the inmates now run the asylum, and murders are as common as taking a dump....

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Pretty much, communist, terrorist, thug.

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:04:27 PM EST

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I knew this crap would start. Public school with a vengence.

Mandela ran a bombing campaign, murdered political opponents, used rape and intimidation, supported violent communist splinter groups and encouraged the murder of whites and entire rival tribes.

He became the darling of the left and drove a healthy country into the ground. The man is responsible for the deaths of millions and that is not an exaggeration.

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There is very little that was healthy about aparthied. There were plenty of nice things about South Africa but it was not this utopia in Africa if you were born black. Acting like it was this jewel that is now tarnished is disingenuous.

AND. Mandela was a murderring communist POS that should have died in prison next to his wife and many of his followers.

Both of these comments are accurate.

Having spent time in the townships surrounding Pretoria, where few white man have spent the night, I have a unique perspective. Racism is alive and well in South Africa from both the whites and blacks.

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Posted: 12/5/2013 4:04:34 PM EST

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While not someone I admire and my severe dislike of Marxists, allies of Arafat,Ghadaffi et al remains firm I think Mandela did far better with things than could have happened.

Namely,he very much moderated the ANC. Had he died in 93-95 and Mbeki or God forbid Winnie Mandela risen to power,it would have been an utter disaster. He could have emulated Mugabe,but did not.

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:04:37 PM EST

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Ignorance and racism on the part of the leadership.

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...and, evidently, a couple black members here too.

Tell me, did you two blindly vote for the GDCIC as well?

I do realize there are communist gun owners who peruse here.

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:04:59 PM EST

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He easily could have turned into another Mugabe once he was released from prison.

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He easily could have turned into another Mugabe once he was released from prison.

In 1998, at age 80, Mandela married for the third time, to Graca Machel, the widow of Mandela’s longtime ally, Samora Machel, the ruthless Communist dictator of the People’s Republic of Mozambique. Graca was a longtime member of FRELIMO, the communist terrorist organization run by her husband that took control of Mozambique in 1975. For more than a decade, she was a partner in Samora Machel’s vicious reign of murder and torture of men, women, and children, including even many of his FRELIMO comrades whom he turned against.

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:05:48 PM EST

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Yeah, don't forget:

Small Pox

Venereal Disease

Forced labor and

Squalid living conditions

Let's all give a round of generous applause to the white guys from Western Europe and thanks for coming!

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....then the Africans, and detractors in this thread, should be thanking the "white man" for paying a visit and bringing his gifts.

Those are, apart from civilization in and of itself:

-Medicine
-Running water
-Food for the entire continent.

Those three things alone absolve the SA apartheid.

So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms.

Glad to see where you come down on this.

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Yeah, don't forget:

Small Pox

Venereal Disease

Forced labor and

Squalid living conditions

Let's all give a round of generous applause to the white guys from Western Europe and thanks for coming!

Chris

Whites are not perfect, by no means, but, without the white guys from Western Europe as you put it no African nation would have ever had any form of modern life, they would all have still be killing each other in their tribal wars and living in mud huts with straw roofs.

I don't understand the white hate and white guilt, I'm proud to be white and of what whites have brought to the World, not all of it, but most, without the whites we wouldn't have space fight, flight, massive ocean going vessels, modern medical technology, the car, the internal combustion engine, most of what we all, blacks included take for advantage today would not be here.

So yes, I do believe the white guys from Western Europe deserve a round of generous applause in terms of what South Africa became because of them, of course now that the whites are being killed off / kicked out South Africa is fast turning into a dust bowl toilet once again, just like it was before the white guys from Western Europe got there, not unlike the rest of Africa where, under white rule it flourished and has turned to decay once the white guys have gone back to Western Europe.

Chris, of all the bad things you blame the whites for in your post 3 of them were already in South Africa before the white guys from Western Europe got there, you don't think the following would have come into existence without white help?

Venereal Disease - I'm certain that some blacks got diseases of all kinds before the whites got there, including venereal and other sexually transmitted diseases, blacks were fucking each other before the whites arrived, you do know that don't you?

Forced labor and - You don't think that along with tortures and rape between waring tribes non of the losing tribe were ever put into forced labor before the whites got there? Not even once?

Squalid living conditions - You think they were all in mansions before the whites boys from Western Europe got there?

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:06:34 PM EST

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funny how no one ever tries to argue that Serbia should have happily remained under communist rule and avoided wars, ethnic slaughters and economic chaos. But "the railroads ran on time" is fine when it's black men with a jackboot on their neck.

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:08:13 PM EST

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Whites are not perfect, by no means, but, without the white guys from Western Europe as you put it no African nation would have ever had any form of modern life, they would all have still be killing each other in their tribal wars and living in mud huts with straw roofs.

I don't understand the white hate and white guilt, I'm proud to be white and of what whites have brought to the World, not all of it, but most, without the whites we wouldn't have space fight, flight, massive ocean going vessels, modern medical technology, the car, the internal combustion engine, most of what we all, blacks included take for advantage today would not be here.

So yes, I do believe the white guys from Western Europe deserve a round of generous applause in terms of what South Africa became because of them, of course now that the whites are being killed off / kicked out South Africa is fast turning into a dust bowl toilet once again, just like it was before the white guys from Western Europe got there, not unlike the rest of Africa where, under white rule it flourished and has turned to decay once the white guys have gone back to Western Europe.

Chris, of all the bad things you blame the whites for in your post 3 of them were already in South Africa before the white guys from Western Europe got there, you don't think the following would have come into existence without white help?

Venereal Disease - I'm certain that some blacks got diseases of all kinds before the whites got there, including venereal and other sexually transmitted diseases, blacks were fucking each other before the whites arrived, you do know that don't you?

Forced labor and - You don't think that along with tortures and rape between waring tribes non of the losing tribe were ever put into forced labor before the whites got there? Not even once?

Squalid living conditions - You think they were all in mansions before the whites boys from Western Europe got there?

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....then the Africans, and detractors in this thread, should be thanking the "white man" for paying a visit and bringing his gifts.

Those are, apart from civilization in and of itself:

-Medicine

-Running water

-Food for the entire continent.

Those three things alone absolve the SA apartheid.

So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms.

Glad to see where you come down on this.

Idiotic..

Yeah, don't forget:

Small Pox

Venereal Disease

Forced labor and

Squalid living conditions

Let's all give a round of generous applause to the white guys from Western Europe and thanks for coming!

Chris

Whites are not perfect, by no means, but, without the white guys from Western Europe as you put it no African nation would have ever had any form of modern life, they would all have still be killing each other in their tribal wars and living in mud huts with straw roofs.

I don't understand the white hate and white guilt, I'm proud to be white and of what whites have brought to the World, not all of it, but most, without the whites we wouldn't have space fight, flight, massive ocean going vessels, modern medical technology, the car, the internal combustion engine, most of what we all, blacks included take for advantage today would not be here.

So yes, I do believe the white guys from Western Europe deserve a round of generous applause in terms of what South Africa became because of them, of course now that the whites are being killed off / kicked out South Africa is fast turning into a dust bowl toilet once again, just like it was before the white guys from Western Europe got there, not unlike the rest of Africa where, under white rule it flourished and has turned to decay once the white guys have gone back to Western Europe.

Chris, of all the bad things you blame the whites for in your post 3 of them were already in South Africa before the white guys from Western Europe got there, you don't think the following would have come into existence without white help?

Venereal Disease - I'm certain that some blacks got diseases of all kinds before the whites got there, including venereal and other sexually transmitted diseases, blacks were fucking each other before the whites arrived, you do know that don't you?

Forced labor and - You don't think that along with tortures and rape between waring tribes non of the losing tribe were ever put into forced labor before the whites got there? Not even once?

Squalid living conditions - You think they were all in mansions before the whites boys from Western Europe got there?

Maybe you should kick the Amish off their land at gunpoint next and take it over.

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:08:44 PM EST

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I am discovering tonight that GD is even more full than I thought of people I wouldn't cross the street to piss on if they were on fire.

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:10:24 PM EST

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Yeah, don't forget:

Small Pox

Venereal Disease

Forced labor and

Squalid living conditions

Let's all give a round of generous applause to the white guys from Western Europe and thanks for coming!

Chris

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Shaka Zulu weren't no slouch when it came to the forced labor & squalid living conditions - ever heard of a kra'al?

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:10:27 PM EST

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Posted: 12/5/2013 4:10:48 PM EST

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Aimless you forget something. Tito kept everything together and it was him dying that caused the dominoes to eventually fall due to suppressed ethnic hatred.

Posted: 12/5/2013 4:11:14 PM EST

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I'm surprised you can't pick up on the glaring difference.

I don't need any of those things. I had them before Obama came along.

Being white, myself, my ancestors, we were building the modern world, we secured freedom and set up the finest country the world has ever known.

As opposed to reparing our straws huts and shitting in a hole.

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....then the Africans, and detractors in this thread, should be thanking the "white man" for paying a visit and bringing his gifts.

Those are, apart from civilization in and of itself:

-Medicine
-Running water
-Food for the entire continent.

Those three things alone absolve the SA apartheid.

So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms.

Glad to see where you come down on this.

Idiotic..

I'm surprised you can't pick up on the glaring difference.

I don't need any of those things. I had them before Obama came along.

Being white, myself, my ancestors, we were building the modern world, we secured freedom and set up the finest country the world has ever known.

As opposed to reparing our straws huts and shitting in a hole.

This, the truth is the truth (Unless of course you believe that the whites took credit for the international airports and intercontinental flight that the blacks of Africa invented all by themselves).

Please don't get me wrong, I do not support apartheid at all, I do not hate black people or anyone else because they are not white (I hate everyone equally regardless of color) but I'm so sick of this relentless expectation that all whites should feel guilty for being white and I don't know why that is, whites have brought a hell of a lot to all man kind (Good and bad) in our short time on this planet, that is not something to be guilty about, that is something to be proud of.