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So, if anyone here is confused about why we 'hate' false teachers.....you could do much worse than to spend some time digging around this guy's website and reading/hearing some of his work:

https://justinpeters.org/

This is session one of a 3 (4?) part series he does. It's awesome. It's thorough. It's very helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS0Mpa5BRzE

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He preys on weak people.

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Doesn't preach the Gospel? BS

Here's the call to Salvation - right on his website:

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41568/Joel_Osteen_JPG-2125875.JPG

Go watch a sermon or 2 of his.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JjEt2EJI14

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He and all the rest of the multimillionaire televangelists are the guys Jesus drove out of the Temple.

He's not even the worst. Don't get me started on that snake Kenneth Copeland.

The "Charismatic Movement" is idolatry at its peak.

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Doesn't preach the Gospel? BS

Here's the call to Salvation - right on his website:

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41568/Joel_Osteen_JPG-2125875.JPG

Go watch a sermon or 2 of his.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JjEt2EJI14

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Joel Osteen to return $4.4M pandemic loan.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/10/joel-osteens-lakewood-church-to-repay-4-4m-in-ppp-loans/


So a few things about Osteen.

1. Returning a loan isn't really doing much since you were supposed to pay it back in the first place. (that's why it's called a loan.) But the media is reading this as some sort of admission of wrongdoing.

2. Small thinkers like to point out separation of church and state but the PPP loans were for organizations who employ people regardless of their mission. He employee 350 people at his church. (I bet some of them aren't even Christians. Just really good at organizing events.) The loans were granted to support employees, not to set up a national religion.

3. He doesn't take a salary from his church for his religious activities. Folks wonder how he can be worth $50, well, he sold 100 million copies of one of his books and he has 13 other best sellers. He gets paid 100-200k per speaking engagement and can easily do three a day because of his private jet. Why on earth shouldn't he be worth that much? And his jet is nice, I'm sure, but there is a good business purpose for it. If it costs 10k a day to fly and he can eek out 3 instead of 2 speaking engagements over flying coach, then it's paid for itself.

4. During the floods they had that goofy notion that he's supposed to turn his church into a hotel. It holds 16,800 spectators. As if it's stocked with bedding, food, and toiletries for people to sleep there. They just have concrete floors and uncomfortable stadium seats. I believe they tried this with the New Orleans Superdome during Katrina with terrible results. Yeah I wouldn't want to do that to my church either. If he had opened his church up to people the media would be all over about how it isn't a shelter and the terrible conditions. He made the right choice.

5. How on earth can anyone think he's skimming from his church when he has a perfectly lucrative side business and probably views his church as a loss leader to sell his books and speaking engagements? This is different from Jim and Tammy Baker. They actually did take money directly from the plate.

6. And there are lots of motivational speakers who refer to God and religion as a base for what they do. Is he just suffering from McDonald's syndrome where he happens to be the biggest target?

No I'm not a follower. Never read his book, never attended his events. I don't even know what he sounds like. Just tired of media BS and think he hasn't gotten a fair deal.

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Doesn't preach the Gospel? BS

Here's the call to Salvation - right on his website:

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41568/Joel_Osteen_JPG-2125875.JPG

Go watch a sermon or 2 of his.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JjEt2EJI14

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Pray a prayer one time and be saved!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS2EP2QE_zI

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The Church we go to got a PPP loan. Kept them from laying off people.

JO is just a motivational speaker with a "Christian" angle. He reminds me of those Amway motivational speakers back in the 90s.

The ones that told you they were making tons of money selling Amway products and had hundreds of people in their "downline" so they would do the motivational speaking tour in different cities and their motivational speeches were sprinkled with christianeze and Bible verses.

"thank you lord for allowing me to buy this 350k class 1 motor home that I can drive to my speaking engagements to help motivate people to sell more Amway products and buy our motivational tape"

Then it turns out all the money they were really making was from selling their motivational speaking cassette tapes to the masses at $5 a pop. They Got sued for it and they faded away with their 350k motorhomes and lawsuits.

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I'll save the judging for God when the books are open.....
A general observation by what Jesus taught,  real men of God should not care about money or materiel things.

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I'll save the judging for God when the books are open.....
A general observation by what Jesus taught,  real men of God should not care about money or materiel things.

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Pray a prayer one time and be saved!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS2EP2QE_zI

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"That's Cute" That's your response to the sinner's prayer?

So you like your sinner's prayer to be what? More bloody?  

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I don't give a damn what someone prays. All I know is that I think someone should think about what Jesus endured to give eternal life. The fucking pain of hanging by four nails and ridicule and being forsaken by your own people. It's a little more than saying a prayer and poof your worries are gone. But, that's judgemental of me and I shouldn't be.

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While not a prayer, Jesus told us that we look to Him and POOF our worries are gone.

To summarize what Jesus was getting at in John:
3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,"
3:15 that whoever believes in Him would not perish but have eternal life."

This is a reference to Numbers 21:
4 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way.
5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses: "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread."
6 So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.

7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, "We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you; pray to the Lord that He take away the serpents from us." So Moses prayed for the people.
8 Then the Lord said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live."
9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

In the understanding of the OT as a collection of object lessons:
Fiery serpents = "Fire" is often a picture of judgment and/or refinement. "serpent" goes back to the Fall, where the Serpent brought sin and shame.
The pole is of a serpent because "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him" (2 Corinthians 5:21) i.e. He bore our sin on the cross.

Therefore when we are bitten by sin and judgment, we only have to look at the cross to live again.

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While not a prayer, Jesus told us that we look to Him and POOF our worries are gone.

To summarize what Jesus was getting at in John:
3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,"
3:15 that whoever believes in Him would not perish but have eternal life."

This is a reference to Numbers 21:
4 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way.
5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses: "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread."
6 So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.

7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, "We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you; pray to the Lord that He take away the serpents from us." So Moses prayed for the people.
8 Then the Lord said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live."
9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

In the understanding of the OT as a collection of object lessons:
Fiery serpents = "Fire" is often a picture of judgment and/or refinement. "serpent" goes back to the Fall, where the Serpent brought sin and shame.
The pole is of a serpent because "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him" (2 Corinthians 5:21) i.e. He bore our sin on the cross.

Therefore when we are bitten by sin and judgment, we only have to look at the cross to live again.

ETA: the actual word for "sin" is an archery term meaning "to miss the mark" or a failure or fault.

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One of them was Oral Roberts. I would have changed my first name.

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Are you saying the part about repentance and trusting only in Jesus is optional?

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"That's Cute" That's your response to the sinner's prayer?

So you like your sinner's prayer to be what? More bloody?  

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True, faith and trust in Christ is a condition precedent to salvation. But as James wrote, faith without works is dead, and faith without a changed life can lead to cheap grace. There is a balance between faith and a changed life that gives evidence to the legitimacy of that faith.

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True, faith and trust in Christ is a condition precedent to salvation. But as James wrote, faith without works is dead, and faith without a changed life can lead to cheap grace. There is a balance between faith and a changed life that gives evidence to the legitimacy of that faith.

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Joel Osteen to return $4.4M pandemic loan.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/10/joel-osteens-lakewood-church-to-repay-4-4m-in-ppp-loans/


So a few things about Osteen.

1. Returning a loan isn't really doing much since you were supposed to pay it back in the first place. (that's why it's called a loan.) But the media is reading this as some sort of admission of wrongdoing.

2. Small thinkers like to point out separation of church and state but the PPP loans were for organizations who employ people regardless of their mission. He employee 350 people at his church. (I bet some of them aren't even Christians. Just really good at organizing events.) The loans were granted to support employees, not to set up a national religion.

3. He doesn't take a salary from his church for his religious activities. Folks wonder how he can be worth $50, well, he sold 100 million copies of one of his books and he has 13 other best sellers. He gets paid 100-200k per speaking engagement and can easily do three a day because of his private jet. Why on earth shouldn't he be worth that much? And his jet is nice, I'm sure, but there is a good business purpose for it. If it costs 10k a day to fly and he can eek out 3 instead of 2 speaking engagements over flying coach, then it's paid for itself.

4. During the floods they had that goofy notion that he's supposed to turn his church into a hotel. It holds 16,800 spectators. As if it's stocked with bedding, food, and toiletries for people to sleep there. They just have concrete floors and uncomfortable stadium seats. I believe they tried this with the New Orleans Superdome during Katrina with terrible results. Yeah I wouldn't want to do that to my church either. If he had opened his church up to people the media would be all over about how it isn't a shelter and the terrible conditions. He made the right choice.

5. How on earth can anyone think he's skimming from his church when he has a perfectly lucrative side business and probably views his church as a loss leader to sell his books and speaking engagements? This is different from Jim and Tammy Baker. They actually did take money directly from the plate.

6. And there are lots of motivational speakers who refer to God and religion as a base for what they do. Is he just suffering from McDonald's syndrome where he happens to be the biggest target?

No I'm not a follower. Never read his book, never attended his events. I don't even know what he sounds like. Just tired of media BS and think he hasn't gotten a fair deal.

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Joel Osteen to return $4.4M pandemic loan.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/10/joel-osteens-lakewood-church-to-repay-4-4m-in-ppp-loans/


So a few things about Osteen.

1. Returning a loan isn't really doing much since you were supposed to pay it back in the first place. (that's why it's called a loan.) But the media is reading this as some sort of admission of wrongdoing.

2. Small thinkers like to point out separation of church and state but the PPP loans were for organizations who employ people regardless of their mission. He employee 350 people at his church. (I bet some of them aren't even Christians. Just really good at organizing events.) The loans were granted to support employees, not to set up a national religion.

3. He doesn't take a salary from his church for his religious activities. Folks wonder how he can be worth $50, well, he sold 100 million copies of one of his books and he has 13 other best sellers. He gets paid 100-200k per speaking engagement and can easily do three a day because of his private jet. Why on earth shouldn't he be worth that much? And his jet is nice, I'm sure, but there is a good business purpose for it. If it costs 10k a day to fly and he can eek out 3 instead of 2 speaking engagements over flying coach, then it's paid for itself.

4. During the floods they had that goofy notion that he's supposed to turn his church into a hotel. It holds 16,800 spectators. As if it's stocked with bedding, food, and toiletries for people to sleep there. They just have concrete floors and uncomfortable stadium seats. I believe they tried this with the New Orleans Superdome during Katrina with terrible results. Yeah I wouldn't want to do that to my church either. If he had opened his church up to people the media would be all over about how it isn't a shelter and the terrible conditions. He made the right choice.

5. How on earth can anyone think he's skimming from his church when he has a perfectly lucrative side business and probably views his church as a loss leader to sell his books and speaking engagements? This is different from Jim and Tammy Baker. They actually did take money directly from the plate.

6. And there are lots of motivational speakers who refer to God and religion as a base for what they do. Is he just suffering from McDonald's syndrome where he happens to be the biggest target?

No I'm not a follower. Never read his book, never attended his events. I don't even know what he sounds like. Just tired of media BS and think he hasn't gotten a fair deal.

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It amazes me that Christians tolerate people like him.

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I don't spend much time thinking about JO, but he's about money more than anything else.

It's not Christian to charge people 100k to hear you speak about Jesus (if he even does)

He's a prosperity gospel preacher. He's richer than 99.99% of his followers. This should never happen.

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In this thread, non Christians claim to have real Christians best interest at heart. And in another thread, the same person will call God a fairy tale.

I think a lot of GD is motivated to hate Osteen over jealousy and just parroting what their peers say. We like to dog pile on people for popularity.

I'm not sure about Osteen, but if GD atheists hate him, he's probably ok...

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Also, Calling the FREE GIFT of salvation by grace through faith "cheap grace" is blasphemy. God, who is without time, entered into creation to hang on a cross so that He can do what He pleases with it, and He decided to give it away. Since God is without time, I think He always experiences every bit of time as an eternal present event, which if true means that He is ALWAYS on the cross from His perspective. It is in no way "cheap".

Don't rent your relationship with God out to preachers and priests. It is your relationship. Cultivate and grow it on your own - that's why we are given the Holy Spirit upon faith in Jesus, which is also our guarantee of our future bodily redemption (Ephesians 1:13-14).

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I've asked this very same question in GD before within a thread and most likely received the same answers.  I didn't take time to read this thread except for first few post at the beginning.  I know GD is full of atheists, which I find very fucking weird.  These same people will say the 2nd Amendment is their "God Given Right".

I've also takin' shit for referring some members to Joel Osteen that posted they were down on their luck.

I listen to him now and again and ALWAYS receive a positive message.  I would love to see him in person and I will pay for a ticket if he comes to my area.

I really don't give a fuck how much money Joel Osteen makes, how big his house is, how big his yacht is, or how nice his private jet is... and GD posters are all so RICH and hate the POORS.  Joel Osteen is either more Blessed than GD posters or is a whole lot fucking smarter.

What I do care about is that he preaches the Gospel world-wide and that is a whole lot better that what others preach.  Joel Osteen must reach 10's of thousands of viewers every week and travels the world to do it.  He is positive, energetic, and prays to our Great Lord and Savior.  It's a shit load better than some mother fucker preaching the teachings of the Muslim religion.

I am a Christian, an American, and I am very proud to be both.

Carry on Joel Osteen.  Fuck those that criticize you (but you already know that).

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In this thread, non Christians claim to have real Christians best interest at heart. And in another thread, the same person will call God a fairy tale.

I think a lot of GD is motivated to hate Osteen over jealousy and just parroting what their peers say. We like to dog pile on people for popularity.

I'm not sure about Osteen, but if GD atheists hate him, he's probably ok...