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All the fats I work with a seem to suffer from "bad knees" too.
None seem to draw a connection between their heft and their knee problems...

You misunderstand, it's not about blaming anything or lack of personal responsibility. It's understanding what the intrinsic issue is and being able to tackle it.

I'm not fat just big boned

Portion control. How does it work?

Just got back from a very enjoyable three hour mountain bike ride and oh look, I'm still not a fatass.

See fats, you can be a fit and enjoy yourselves too.

Now I am having some chips and dip without having to post-fact rationalize to soothe an aching conscience.

I'm still not sure if this is a joke thread like the magnet vaccine one

The irony itself is ironic here.

The obesity chart spiked in 1980 when .gov came out and said low-fat diets will save you from heart disease.  They did this with no actual science.

The fat in almost all foods was replaced by sugar.  Sugar IS addictive.  Eating it makes you want more-- unlike, say, steak.

young active healthy people can indeed control their weight with calories in/calories out.  However, if you reach your forties and you have been following the .gov recommendations (an amazing percentage of Americans did follow that guidance) you are probably a dozen or more pounds overweight.  You are tired all the time, you've been taught to crave sugar and taught that it's better for you than the fat that would have satiated you.

You've reached insulin resistance.  You are now in a vortex of bad advice and spiraling cravings and fatigue.  Your doctor, who knows nothing about nutrition, tells you to "cut back."  You follow his directions and it works, you lose weight for about six weeks;  you stick with it even though you are miserable, tired and hungry all the time. then your resting metabolic rate slows to match your intake and you stop losing weight.  Your doctor blames YOU for poor discipline, even though you're eating 1600 calories a day.  You started the diet with a resting metabolic rate of 2400 calories; it has slowed to 1600.

Now you start GAINING weight even though you are eating 1600 calories.  Your resting metabolic rate has slowed by 35 percent. Why?  Interesting question. Like "why don't they have reunion shows for The Biggest Loser?"  Those people kick ass in the gym and cut calories like crazy!  They must still look great! Right?

Now if your doctor actually knew anything about nutrition he would advise you to make some real changes.  Those changes aren't calorie related; they are macro nutrient related.

Our Standard American Diet is super-carb-heavy.  We haven't evolved fast enough to be able to accept this change in our diet.  We should be eating 70 percent fat, 25 percent protein and 5 percent carbs, mostly veggies.

We are fat because we followed the gov guidelines; we stay fat because it's fucking HARD to kick an addiction.  

So you can assign blame as you wish.  I blame "experts," the media, the medical profession, Big Agra, Big Pharma, and Coca Cola for telling us "everything in moderation, eat less, move more."  It doesn't work that way for anyone with a damaged metabolic system.  Good people, disciplined people, have had their lives harmed or ruined because the medical profession told them to do EXACTLY THE WRONG THING.

Does that mean there aren't lazy bastards who combine gluttony with sloth?  Of course there are.  Just not 60 percent of our population.

I'm not reading 5 pages.

But I will say this.

I want a woman to sit on my face without having to first  fish a snorkel tube up and out her nasty sweaty ass crack as insurance to keep me from suffocating and dying a horrible ( and embarrassing) death.

It's not just the fatness. It's a safety thing for me.

I’m not into the Ethiopian skinny types. But there are definitely some girls that have a little bit of weight that are attractive and a good personality goes a long way.

Insulin is required to store fat.  Period.

spike insulin, store fat.

You get fatter eating 500 calories of carbs than you will eating 500 calories of steak.

what makes it worse is telling them they are lazy fucks and need to cut back on calories.  

They just need to change their macros.  Eat til you're full; just don't eat carbs.  You will normalize naturally.

You make character judgements denigrating people who thought they were doing the right thing: cut dietary fat. they got hooked on an addictive substance:  sugar.

Corporations helped get many millions of Americans addicted to their products.  It was a huge fraud, a massive experiment perpetrated on the American people.  Many have found their way out of this; many have not.

I actually remember when Coca Cola advertising bragged there was "no fat" in their product.  Enough sugar in every can to kill a small animal, but no fat.

Yes eventually everyone is responsible for their own health.  But the more you understand about the problem, the more likely we will be to solve it.

You can't exercise your way out of a shitty diet.  Unless you're 20 years old, maybe.

No one is attractive to fat slobs who breathe heavy getting up and down the couch. Sweating like crazy.

Calorie deficits are fluid.  Reduce calorie intake and your calorie burn rate decreases.

the only way to short circuit this is to cut carbs.  Take away the insulin and you take away fat storage.

Jesus.

THIS! thank you Big Easy.  Like most people, you were probably reasonably disciplined, ate pretty high carb, developed insulin resistance and messed up your metabolism.  It wasn't a character flaw.

I'll stop now.  You're welcome.

Arfcom's favorite thing to do is totally misunderstand science and blame everyone's faults on poor decision making and poor impulse control and say that their weight is due to character flaws.

Sugar's hold over a lot of people can be worse than a heroin addiction.

Yeah man, because living every second of your waking life with the equivalent of an 80lb sack of concrete strapped to your gut is totally unnoticeable and just happened one day for no reason at all.

Again, its not that simple. Insulin is anabolic. It aids in building muscle.

It helps to move nutrients into muscle cells among other things.

There’s no detriment to less-than-optimal balance when squatting and squirting out a kid. Do females chimps have nice asses? What about the other close relatives of humans? Was optimal balance necessary so our primitive ancestors could lunge out of the way at the last second mid child birth to avoid a sabretooth attack? It’s a ridiculous premise.

The truth is that society’s ideals for beauty aren’t entirely rational and in fact shift over time, likely due to boredom.

It’s abundantly clear that feature rarity (being the only blonde in a pack of brunettes) impacts our perception of attractiveness significantly.

There is no objective ideal. There’s a body composition range which generally correlates with health and likely hints at breeding suitability. But that’s actually a pretty wide range and you’ll find individual’s preferences smattered about all across that range.

In fact, women at low body fat %’s can have trouble conceiving. Yet their “health” profiles would get high marks for their body composition and lean body mass numbers.

When I went to Indonesia in 2018 I found that NEARLY ALL THE GIRLS WERE HOT.

I do not (generally) find Asian women to be attractive.

So, what was going on?

ALL THE WOMEN THERE ARE THIN.  I saw like 2 fat people, that was it!

99 percent of everyone there is fit or thin.......that's why the women were such a turn on.

99 percent of Americans are overweight or obese.  

Once an American girl reaches her 30's, she's generally fat as a cow and looks like crap.

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Been doing Atkins' Diet for 5 weeks now.  I've lost 10 pounds and I am now at the tightest belt buckle hole.  5 weeks ago I was at the 2nd hole.  

A year ago, back when I was hitting the gym hard every other day, size 36 pants were a bit tight.  Now size 36 pants are very loose, as in 1 inch too big.   I'm smaller now than when I was hitting the gym crazy hard.  

I feel great, loads of energy, not depressed, not worried very easily (stay calm like crazy now), and my tendonitis went away!

Mowed with a push mower for 1.5 hours straight, non stop yesterday, on a hill side.  Then raked the whole yard and removed the grass clippings.  Went 4 hours non-stop in the heat and sun.  I was a little tired but felt great.

Cut the sugar out!  Eat protein, drink loads of water, and reclaim your body.

Thin and fit checking, I am beautiful.

There's an instinctive drive to breed with the most fit people to pass on the best genes for the survival of our species.People that are fat, be it genetically or through poor self control about eating and/or not exercising aren't going to be hardly anyone's first choice if at all possible.

This.  Insulin isn't just anabolic, it's very anabolic.  

Spikes of course will hurt your energy levels as you'll be on a rollercoaster, and poor macro balance will ultimately lead to poor body composition.  But to try to oversimplify it like a Keto cultist would, if you're fat it's because you eat in a surplus all the time which means you're blood sugar will be elevated all the time because of the extra food intake.

Yep, same.  I went over there too, and right off the bat thinking that it's chock full of hotties.  After a picking up my tongue off the floor and blood starts to go back to the big head eventually I realized it was because most of them are thin.

Oh, so you are getting your seven sessions a week in and you are still not happy with how you look in your undies?

You have the discipline to exercise but can’t starve yourself into looking like a 19 year old Brad Pitt?

Better call the whole thing off then, quit trying and order up a mobility scooter ASAP.

Look, very few of us men can attain the goals we set for ourselves.  Even after decades of exercise I know I have failed to attain the “look” I was after.  Good Health was simply a side effect of my vain desire to look better.

I know you can’t exercise your way out of a shitty diet, that was kinda my point in my original post. The pain/effort required to burn off a Big Mac in one session would put most people on their ass. A 170 lb man would require 1.35 hrs of running at 10 mph (6 minute mile) to burn off a Big Mac combo.  
I know I can’t do that, never could.   Easier to slow down the fork than it is to pick up the pace.   As we age, the fork needs to move slower than before.

It doesn’t need to be anymore complicated than that.  Take action, adjust as needed.  Realize that unless you are genetically gifted as well as having tremendous discipline, you will never look like Arnold, or Brad or Henry.
But you will be healthier than you are now, and look better too.  

Remember, “perfect is the enemy of good”.

Strive to be, at least, good.

Fat people are untrustworthy
They lie about their diet and exercising
They need to quit being fat and walk a few miles a dayDisgusting fatbody fatties

Sort of. Insulin will also push blood sugar into your muscles after a heavy workout to replenish them and it is an anabolic hormone.

I didnt realize this until I got to know a few very well. Sneaking fast food on the way home and throwing away the wrapper, eating salad in front of everyone and then eating Snickers bars at their desk, overestimating their activity levels, making excuses for everything (big boned, my momma always said I was "solid", my jaw makes my neck look fat).... I now don't believe anyone who is overweight without a pile of evidence.

using this as my safety share tomorrow morning.

In my experience, fat people lie about more than just their diet. I had a friend once who liked to make fun of fat people, his favorite website was yourefatbecauseyourestupid.com. But then in about 2019 he began his slide into obesity. I commented on it in private, and from what I heard later, he took personal offense at my concern over his weight. From there, he started acting crazy, spreading false rumors, and outright lying to other people about things I'd done and said. At one point he threatened physical violence. I have an offer on the table to reconcile, but it would mean describing to me what slander he has been engaged in, and he's afraid I'd sue him if I heard all of it. It's really quite pathetic how a person can self destruct, and sometimes it starts with becoming a disgusting mcfat. I look at it as a warning sign.

Fat people have basically given up on life, but because they don't have the guts to off themselves in one act, they shovel food down their gullets and kill themselves bite by delicious bite. It's a slow, shameful way to go.

My theory is that people following the food pyramid guidelines have overtime wrecked their metabolism and insulin sensitivity.  They could reverse course with exercise and some dramatic changes to their way of eating.  The problem I’ve noted from people I know in this situation is that they’ve been eating terribly (crap food, 3 meals a day, gotta have snacks, not reading labels, every meal has to be a feast, someone say DESSERT) for so long that they don’t really want to change their ways as they’ve become acclimated to all that terrible food.   Could have been avoided using some critical thought vs just gobbling up what the .gov was spoon feeding but here we are.