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Posted: 5/16/2024 1:29:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 50 years from now we'll be watching a Netflix documentary depicting Wernher von Braun as a black Trans activist so it will all even out More like five years... 
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Posted: 5/16/2024 1:39:23 PM EDT
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Why do we still give a shit about Nazis?
They lost, we took the good ideas they had and used them ourselves, we gave pardon's to guys who's potential to do our bidding outweighed any wrong doing they did during the war and used them to fight the next one. Move on. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 1:43:53 PM EDT
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Meh
My outrage quotient is tapped out this month. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 1:49:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Felton’s narration of Wikipedia page ass videos are gay and so is he. Who the fuck cares what those brilliant minds did before they came/were brought to the US. I won’t accept any bad mouthing of Von Braun. Anyone who does is a commie fuck. Pretty much this. I grew up on the mountain where most of the original German scientists settled when they cam here, I grew up with their grandchildren and my parents went to high school with their children, including Von Braun's daughter. After college, my dad worked right along side them in the space program, as did my grandfather who was a WWII Marine, and neither ever had a bad word to say about the men. These were damn good people and extremely brilliant, and they did what they had to do to survive before they came here. How would you react if the head SS people came to you and said "Hey there Dr. Von Braun, that's a really lovely family you have there. It would be a real shame if something were to happen to them. So, about those rockets you've been working on, we'd like to ask you a little favor..." People can sit on their high horse and be pissed all they want, but these people weren't the monsters running the gas chambers, they were brilliant men who just wanted to build rockets and be left alone. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 1:56:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because we wouldn’t have made it to the moon without them. This ^ Also without von Braun we wouldn’t have been able to compete with the Soviets in icbm development. I’d say he deserves to be thanked by the US. Not to mention he was never even fond of the Nazis. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 1:58:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Mad_Anthony There was no whitewashing. Don't act like this is a revelation, it isn't. We knew their past. It was no super duper secret. That is just a revelation for those who fell asleep in history class. It seems your self-righteous epiphany is just a lot of revisionist history smoke-blowing. The Russians were kidnapping German scientists as fast as they could find them to build their nuclear weapons, Sputnik, and more. Is that OK with you? @Chisum It's obvious to me that you haven't watched the video. Mark gives several examples of the "whitewashing" of these men's pasts in that video by the way we (the U.S.A.) honor these men today. The point made in the video was the "monuments" to these men make no mention of either of these men's dark pasts, nor their ties to the Nazi party - or even the slave labor they employed in their rocket program. As I stated earlier, we were never taught about Von Braun's ties to the Nazi party nor his use of slave labor during WW2 in grade school or college - I had to seek out this information independently. From what I remember, operation paperclip was touched on briefly, but as it was explained to us in the school board approved history books I read - operation paperclip simply gave an avenue for German scientists to come to the USA and continue their work after the war. The text never dove into the dark pasts of any of these men, aside from perhaps a passing mention of their work on the V1 and V2 rocket programs which were used against the Great Britain. Mark claims that if you go to Huntsville, AL and visit the Von Braun complex in the Redstone arsenal or the Von Braun sports complex (also in Huntsville), you aren't going to find any mention of his dark past in those places either. If this is true, then I would certainly call that "whitewashing" of a man's past. I'm not saying the US gov't didn't know these men's pasts. I never said they were trying to make it a secret either. What I am saying is it appears there has been a concerted effort to conceal the dark pasts of these scientists gleaned by operation paperclip from the view of the general public. And I am simply asking: WHY? Is our government embarrassed they employed former Nazi party members, some with potentially very dark pasts in our space program and our race to beat the Soviets to the moon? Or is there another reason? |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 2:03:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the issue at the very heart of this thread. The government has already put bumper lanes on these monuments by whitewashing the dark pasts of these men. If you actually watched the video, that's the main point. No mention has been made of these men's ties to the Nazi party and knowledge (and consent) of the slave labor they employed. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 2:03:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Chisum It's obvious to me that you haven't watched the video. Mark gives several examples of the "whitewashing" of these men's pasts in that video by the way we (the U.S.A.) honor these men today. The point made in the video was the "monuments" to these men make no mention of either of these men's dark pasts, nor their ties to the Nazi party - or even the slave labor they employed in their rocket program. As I stated earlier, we were never taught about Von Braun's ties to the Nazi party nor his use of slave labor during WW2 in grade school or college - I had to seek out this information independently. From what I remember, operation paperclip was touched on briefly, but as it was explained to us in the school board approved history books I read - operation paperclip simply gave an avenue for German scientists to come to the USA and continue their work after the war. The text never dove into the dark pasts of any of these men, aside from perhaps a passing mention of their work on the V1 and V2 rocket programs which were used against the Great Britain. Mark claims that if you go to Huntsville, AL and visit the Von Braun complex in the Redstone arsenal or the Von Braun sports complex (also in Huntsville), you aren't going to find any mention of his dark past in those places either. If this is true, then I would certainly call that "whitewashing" of a man's past. I'm not saying the US gov't didn't know these men's pasts. I never said they were trying to make it a secret either. What I am saying is it appears there has been a concerted effort to conceal the dark pasts of these scientists gleaned by operation paperclip from the view of the general public. And I am simply asking: WHY? Is our government embarrassed they employed former Nazi party members, some with potentially very dark pasts in our space program and our race to beat the Soviets to the moon? Or is there another reason? Just the fact that you think there's a "Von Braun complex in the Redstone arsenal" or a "Von Braun sports complex" here tells me that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. And with that show of ignorance, I'm done. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 2:05:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many of the men and women throughout history that got shit done did some awful shit. Get over it. We gave the Japs damn near a complete pass for their horrible human experiments they carried out in China in exchange for the data... 
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Posted: 5/16/2024 2:07:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2024 3:43:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think its odd to compare a [hypothetically speaking] toy manufacturer who perhaps might build action figures for kids... is every bit as ethically dubious as someone who builds rockets intended to defend a genocidal regime. Making toys that kids don't necessarily need... is not going to bring harm into the world in the same manner that a rocket provided to an evil regime is. No offense, but its an odd comparison. You’re not wrong. There *are* degrees of evil. But there’s also a sense in which all human endeavors and motives fall short of moral perfection. And as such, if you start comparing yourself to others by a relative standard, you’re gonna have a hard time when you’re confronted with an absolute standard. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 3:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me you havent been to a NASA museum without telling me youve never been to a NASA museum Yeah. WVB’s handprints are all over the Huntsville space center museum for sure. (Again, not saying that’s bad….) |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 4:00:01 PM EDT
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I wouldn’t call Von Braun a devout NAZI.
It was what he had to be to do what he wanted to do when he had the opportunity to do it. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 4:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn’t call Von Braun a devout NAZI. It was what he had to be to do what he wanted to do when he had the opportunity to do it. That’s my take. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 4:09:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now do the US Bio Lab program and the members of Japan's unit 731 that were paid for their research. Talking about Syphilis experiments being conducted by the evil japanese scientists until 1945, then in 1946 the US setting up bio labs in Guatemala to continue the Syphilis experiments. hell we did it here to our own population multiple times. and those were US doctors and programs. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 4:28:49 PM EDT
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People in modern times should be cautious when judging events and people of the past through their own current, modern lens. One day we may be viewed in our current times by someone in the distant future - how would you want to be viewed? With their future lens or with an approach to try and understand why you did what you did in the time you were alive?
After leaving Nazi Germany, were those scientists still Nazis? Were they pawns of their government or true believers in the party? Were they pawns of the US government? Did they care or were they just interested in making rockets? |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 4:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because winner write the history books, and losers become dusty photos in a displaced family scrapbook. I can assure you that you'd do what you needed to do to survive in a totalitarian state. The brave hero's end up in a gulag. Actual history and events are often not completely black or white. From what I've read, Debus was a Nazi believer while Von Braun seems to have went along to get along. Going against the machine would have only ended up with them getting deaded, so were they true believers or forced into compliance by force? It's hard to say really. Were they gifted scientists? Yes, and they contributed a lot to the US beating the Soviets. I am glad that they surrendered to the US and did not assist Korolev, Glushkov, etc. with the Soviet program. Should we continue naming things after them? No probably not. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 5:00:46 PM EDT
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Oh... give me a break about Nazis. Honestly, any real understanding of history would reveal that what the Nazis did wasn't actually out of line with historical norms at the time, nor was it the worst mass killing.
And there have been multiple worse ones SINCE WWII that no one seems to even care about. More importantly, the guys who built rockets didn't gas any Jews. And almost certainly didn't even know about it. Get over it. That was 90 years ago. And if you're that concerned about it, then why don't you fly to China and do something about a similar holocaust that is happening right now today? |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 5:07:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh... give me a break about Nazis. Honestly, any real understanding of history would reveal that what the Nazis did wasn't actually out of line with historical norms at the time, nor was it the worst mass killing. And there have been multiple worse ones SINCE WWII that no one seems to even care about. More importantly, the guys who built rockets didn't gas any Jews. And almost certainly didn't even know about it. Get over it. That was 90 years ago. And if you're that concerned about it, then why don't you fly to China and do something about a similar holocaust that is happening right now today?  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 5:46:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously their pasts weren't whitewashed if you are here, whinging about it. They are remembered for their massive contributions to this country and to science. Self righteousness with a lack of self reflection is the worst of personality traits. Concur. The crimes he was complicit in. I think his work in the US Space program and contributions to science, human progress far exceed that of his time as a German Nazi. Our Founding Father's weren't pure as sunshine either. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 6:01:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Felton's narration of Wikipedia page ass videos are gay and so is he. Who the fuck cares what those brilliant minds did before they came/were brought to the US. I won't accept any bad mouthing of Von Braun. Anyone who does is a commie fuck.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 6:04:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh I think the U.S. Gov't knew full well who they were inviting to dinner, so-to-speak. But the Soviet threat was the greater evil, so they turned a blind eye to ugly pasts. The question is: why do we still HONOR these men? Because only a simpleton sees black and white. Everything is grey, it just takes emotional intelligence to see it. No man is without flaws. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 7:10:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're not wrong. There *are* degrees of evil. But there's also a sense in which all human endeavors and motives fall short of moral perfection. And as such, if you start comparing yourself to others by a relative standard, you're gonna have a hard time when you're confronted with an absolute standard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think its odd to compare a [hypothetically speaking] toy manufacturer who perhaps might build action figures for kids... is every bit as ethically dubious as someone who builds rockets intended to defend a genocidal regime. Making toys that kids don't necessarily need... is not going to bring harm into the world in the same manner that a rocket provided to an evil regime is. No offense, but its an odd comparison. You're not wrong. There *are* degrees of evil. But there's also a sense in which all human endeavors and motives fall short of moral perfection. And as such, if you start comparing yourself to others by a relative standard, you're gonna have a hard time when you're confronted with an absolute standard. You believe its sinful/wrong for people to buy things they dont need? Things for personal pleasure/entertainment? Because, I dont even see anything morally wrong with making things that are purely for enjoyment or entertainment. Buying toys for your kids, and building toys... is certainly not sinful. I *DO* Think that the industry as whole engages in sinful behavior in the manner in which they market toys. Toy manufacturers... for example, have been known to encourage bratty behavior from kids, manipulate feelings of children... in hopes they'll sinfully harass their parents non-stop until they buy the toy. That doesn't negate the responsibility the child OR parent has for their own response... but the Toy Manufacturer is also responsible for using those tactics. Toys should be advertised in a sort of "Hey, this is a toy. Its kinda cool. If you want it, here's where you can get it" not "Do you want to be cool!? Buy this toy. All the kids will have this. And if your parents don't buy you one, annoy them until they do! Remember, your parents don't love you, unless they buy you this". Granted, I'm using hyperbole, as real world toy ads are far more subtle, but many of these ads *ARE* essentially implying and imposing those kind of pressures on kids and I think that kind of manipulation is downright satanic. That was a bit of a tangeant... Anyways, bottom line. Theres nothing sinful about providing/selling non-necessities and luxuries. But the manner in which it is marketed, *CAN* be sinful. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 8:08:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I never asked "why they haven't been torn down". Learn to read, try to actually read what was posted; and stop accusing people of making statements that were never actually made. I stated in my original post that Mark Felton wondered why the monuments to men like Von Braun hadn't been torn down (in the context of other monuments getting torn down, like those to Confederate generals). I merely stated that was a good question (as to the full context of Mark's question). I never said any monuments needed to be torn down, should be torn down, or the people doing the tearing down were justified in doing so. This is one of the problems with GD. Some of you people get so emotional over an issue you see words that were never posted, and you string together sentences that were never actually typed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You certainly asked “why they haven’t been torn down”, which is an extremely short step from stating you want them torn down. I never asked "why they haven't been torn down". Learn to read, try to actually read what was posted; and stop accusing people of making statements that were never actually made. I stated in my original post that Mark Felton wondered why the monuments to men like Von Braun hadn't been torn down (in the context of other monuments getting torn down, like those to Confederate generals). I merely stated that was a good question (as to the full context of Mark's question). I never said any monuments needed to be torn down, should be torn down, or the people doing the tearing down were justified in doing so. This is one of the problems with GD. Some of you people get so emotional over an issue you see words that were never posted, and you string together sentences that were never actually typed. Quoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrKmDUNi6sYVon Braun and Kurt Debus are just two of the many Nazi scientists who were brought here during operation paperclip. Both of these particular individuals were devout Nazi party members who were well aware of the slave labor being used in their rocket programs. Von Braun and Kurt Debus are honored by NASA and the U.S. government to this day, with their pasts conveniently whitewashed for public consumption. Why? Mark Felton asks this question as well in his video. He wonders why the monuments to Von Braun haven't been torn down like many Confederate monuments. I think that's a good question.  |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:49:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's all so tiresome. We can argue all we want and it won't change what Von Braun the Terrible did in WW2 or post WW2 except to make one of us feel better for decrying the man. I have some paper windmills that need a good spearing if you have the time. Tip your own windmills since you think you are an expert. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:01:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Chisum It's obvious to me that you haven't watched the video. Mark gives several examples of the "whitewashing" of these men's pasts in that video by the way we (the U.S.A.) honor these men today. The point made in the video was the "monuments" to these men make no mention of either of these men's dark pasts, nor their ties to the Nazi party - or even the slave labor they employed in their rocket program. As I stated earlier, we were never taught about Von Braun's ties to the Nazi party nor his use of slave labor during WW2 in grade school or college - I had to seek out this information independently. From what I remember, operation paperclip was touched on briefly, but as it was explained to us in the school board approved history books I read - operation paperclip simply gave an avenue for German scientists to come to the USA and continue their work after the war. The text never dove into the dark pasts of any of these men, aside from perhaps a passing mention of their work on the V1 and V2 rocket programs which were used against the Great Britain. Mark claims that if you go to Huntsville, AL and visit the Von Braun complex in the Redstone arsenal or the Von Braun sports complex (also in Huntsville), you aren't going to find any mention of his dark past in those places either. If this is true, then I would certainly call that "whitewashing" of a man's past. I'm not saying the US gov't didn't know these men's pasts. I never said they were trying to make it a secret either. What I am saying is it appears there has been a concerted effort to conceal the dark pasts of these scientists gleaned by operation paperclip from the view of the general public. And I am simply asking: WHY? Is our government embarrassed they employed former Nazi party members, some with potentially very dark pasts in our space program and our race to beat the Soviets to the moon? Or is there another reason? @ Mad_Anthony There really are better issues to quibble about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_ |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:08:07 PM EDT
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@Mad_Anthony
You are full of shit, and a Troll. The war is over. We won. Werner Von Braun was not a devout Nazi. He joined to promote his spaceflight goals. Period. Thank God for WVB and all our Germans. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:10:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Felton's narration of Wikipedia page ass videos are gay and so is he. Who the fuck cares what those brilliant minds did before they came/were brought to the US. I won't accept any bad mouthing of Von Braun. Anyone who does is a commie fuck. Same |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tip your own windmills since you think you are an expert. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's all so tiresome. We can argue all we want and it won't change what Von Braun the Terrible did in WW2 or post WW2 except to make one of us feel better for decrying the man. I have some paper windmills that need a good spearing if you have the time. Tip your own windmills since you think you are an expert.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:51:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrKmDUNi6sYVon Braun and Kurt Debus are just two of the many Nazi scientists who were brought here during operation paperclip. Both of these particular individuals were devout Nazi party members who were well aware of the slave labor being used in their rocket programs. Von Braun and Kurt Debus are honored by NASA and the U.S. government to this day, with their pasts conveniently whitewashed for public consumption. Why? Mark Felton asks this question as well in his video. He wonders why the monuments to Von Braun haven't been torn down like many Confederate monuments. I think that's a good question. Here's what they're after:  Attached FileWas Lincoln a Republican or Democrat? Abe Lincoln Is A Democrat, According To A Plaque On NIU's Campus That Actually Isn't Wrong College plaque in Land of Lincoln labels Abe a 'Democrat' Illinois school clarifies 'Democrat' label on Lincoln plaque and there's plenty more where that came from including news stories how the KKK is actually Rebuplican...after a history of killing replublicans and unionists. Mark Felton is reputed to be a historian. He should check it out...like a historian would. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:55:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don't like it here, go find someone else's thread to shit in. Or you could, idk, maybe make a thread not worth shitting up? No one is innocent in war. Whats next for you? Are ypu going to find some lon forgotten confederate monument to protest? What comes after that? The Lincoln memorial? The Washington monument? Mt. Rushmore? Where will you direct your impotent rage at next? |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 11:12:57 PM EDT
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I hate Americas revisionist history bullshit so hard that I don't care if we have a giant monument to fucking Hitler and Stalin for propelling us to Superpower status.
Ill honor our opponents for the strength they lent us in wartime and the strength they lent us at gunpoint in peacetime. Every time I hear some preteen talk about how their hopes and dreams for the near future involve sex reassignment surgery and chemical castration I wonder if the right people won WWII. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 11:23:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because we wouldn’t have made it to the moon without them. As I have said before on this site, if it is possible to atone for supporting the 3rd Reich, these men came as close as humanly possible by putting the knife into the heart of communism by winning the space race. Von Braun is a hero of science and the free world. I can't remember who said it, but political correctness is the cultural AIDS of our society. I have been reading Hans Rudel's biography, he was arguably the most successful ground attack pilot that ever lived. He died an unrepentant Nazi. Yet we used his expertise in Ruzzian armor destruction to help us guide the design Arf's favorite aircraft, the A-10. Should we throw the A-10 away too? |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 11:38:25 PM EDT
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Vanderbilt University purposely irradiated fetuses in the womb of pregnant women at the behest of the US government to test the effects of radiation on the unborn. This was at the beginning and height of the Cold War. It only came to light because the daughter of one of the nurses found her mother's journal and turned it over to one of the Nashville News stations.
Vanderbilt University Medical was eviscerated in the news for quite a while. The US government is as vile as many other world governments. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:30:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, next time you and Mark get together, mention to him that this entire campaign of tearing down many Confederate monuments, since your both just asking questions, is about removing the Democratic Party from its slave advocay and slave owning past. Here's what they're after: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1737/Abraham-Lincoln-Democrat1_jpg-3216115.JPG Was Lincoln a Republican or Democrat? Abe Lincoln Is A Democrat, According To A Plaque On NIU's Campus That Actually Isn't Wrong College plaque in Land of Lincoln labels Abe a 'Democrat' Illinois school clarifies 'Democrat' label on Lincoln plaque and there's plenty more where that came from including news stories how the KKK is actually Rebuplican...after a history of killing replublicans and unionists. Mark Felton is reputed to be a historian. He should check it out...like a historian would. I really don't understand why anyone still does this silly wank where they pretend the parties didn't realign their bases in the 20th century. It doesn't gain you anything. It makes you look like someone who watched one of D'Nesh D'souza's videos and made being his fan girl your personality. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:41:16 AM EDT
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Operation Paperclip brought about other really cool things like MKULtra. So got that going for it. Where would we be without Nazis now? Can you imagine a world with a CIA that lacked Nazis, oh what a horror.
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:45:56 AM EDT
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Think if the russians had got them.
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:50:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the issue at the very heart of this thread. The government has already put bumper lanes on these monuments by whitewashing the dark pasts of these men. If you actually watched the video, that's the main point. No mention has been made of these men's ties to the Nazi party and knowledge (and consent) of the slave labor they employed. not every single thing has to include the bad. There's plenty of info and documentaries that highlight the bad. You also cannot simply look through the lens of today. Life in Germany wasn't black and white. Do we condemn the founding fathers because one or more of them might have had slaves? Or do we honor them for their achievements - like this nation? |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:52:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As I have said before on this site, if it is possible to atone for supporting the 3rd Reich, these men came as close as humanly possible by putting the knife into the heart of communism by winning the space race. Von Braun is a hero of science and the free world. I can't remember who said it, but political correctness is the cultural AIDS of our society. I have been reading Hans Rudel's biography, he was arguably the most successful ground attack pilot that ever lived. He died an unrepentant Nazi. Yet we used his expertise in Ruzzian armor destruction to help us guide the design Arf's favorite aircraft, the A-10. Should we throw the A-10 away too? |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:55:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: not every single thing has to include the bad. There's plenty of info and documentaries that highlight the bad. You also cannot simply look through the lens of today. Life in Germany wasn't black and white. Do we condemn the founding fathers because one or more of them might have had slaves? Or do we honor them for their achievements - like this nation? |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:55:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Think if the russians had got them. Think if they were tried and hung from a rope. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:57:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vanderbilt University purposely irradiated fetuses in the womb of pregnant women at the behest of the US government to test the effects of radiation on the unborn. This was at the beginning and height of the Cold War. It only came to light because the daughter of one of the nurses found her mother's journal and turned it over to one of the Nashville News stations. Vanderbilt University Medical was eviscerated in the news for quite a while. The US government is as vile as many other world governments. The US government actively poisoned the population during prohibition. Basically decided to kill people who decided to ignore the new law they passed. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:58:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously their pasts weren't whitewashed if you are here, whinging about it. They are remembered for their massive contributions to this country and to science. Self righteousness with a lack of self reflection is the worst of personality traits. +1. And we would not have made it to the moon without them. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 1:04:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Think if they were tried and hung from a rope. Second thought, how about skipping the trial and converting operation Paperclip into a hit list. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 1:04:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know his daughter. Got to fire his .30-30 his biographer gave him. Still trying to get it from her. What would you do to survive? I think this is where people get lost in the weeds, it's easy to look at it from your couch, but when your head is on the chopping block you might just take a sweet deal. He's not an American patriot, he's a rat that found a way out of the trap, we can still hate the terrible stuff he was a part of, I don't think we should honor him, but we can still be thankful for his achievements. Nothing he did was for America; it was to save his own ass. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 1:07:17 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: because most people are stupid and don't know their history. Besides, what were we going to do with all those NAZI engineers and great brain power? I member going to kindergarten with a kid who would tell me his grandfather said the Nazi's would take over America one day. Little did I know. lol, what in thee hell are you talking about? Nazi's have taken over America? Please tell me which part because I've yet to see a single one. Now, communists, yes, they've almost taken over our nation. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 1:11:37 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, what in thee hell are you talking about? Nazi's have taken over America? Please tell me which part because I've yet to see a single one. You ask the question but I don't think you want to know what the Nazi contribution is to the CIA. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 1:16:48 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apollo era NASA is peak USA to me. I’ve met multiple Apollo astronauts. And they’ve always been gods to me. And the world was better when astronauts were gods. Fight me. Met Neil Armstrong once near his home in Wapakoneta, OH. It was just a few years after he walked on the moon. As an 11 or 12 year old, that was the coolest thing ever. Got to ask him what it was like sitting on top of the Saturn V as it was lifting off. He said it was absolutely terrifying and exhilarating at the same time. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 11:38:21 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The US government actively poisoned the population during prohibition. Basically decided to kill people who decided to ignore the new law they passed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Vanderbilt University purposely irradiated fetuses in the womb of pregnant women at the behest of the US government to test the effects of radiation on the unborn. This was at the beginning and height of the Cold War. It only came to light because the daughter of one of the nurses found her mother's journal and turned it over to one of the Nashville News stations. Vanderbilt University Medical was eviscerated in the news for quite a while. The US government is as vile as many other world governments. The US government actively poisoned the population during prohibition. Basically decided to kill people who decided to ignore the new law they passed. Don't forget Project MKUltra. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 11:51:02 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh... give me a break about Nazis. Honestly, any real understanding of history would reveal that what the Nazis did wasn't actually out of line with historical norms at the time, nor was it the worst mass killing. And there have been multiple worse ones SINCE WWII that no one seems to even care about. More importantly, the guys who built rockets didn't gas any Jews. And almost certainly didn't even know about it. Get over it. That was 90 years ago. And if you're that concerned about it, then why don't you fly to China and do something about a similar holocaust that is happening right now today? Communism gets a pass. You know, they’re only responsible for the deaths of 100+ million people in the 20th century alone, but the Nazis are the worst thing to have ever happened…. |
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