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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:41:42 PM EDT
Why do we set up factories in Thailand, Mexico, India, China, Malaysia, Tibet, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, etc…. But nothing in Africa.
I cannot think of a single thing I own that says made in Africa. Surely there is something that can be made there.  |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:43:11 PM EDT
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The problem with Africa, is that it’s full of ________.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:44:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:44:42 PM EDT
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It’s a continent of exploitation.
Always has been. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:45:05 PM EDT
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Because China is already there. They have the non-politically correct mindset to deal with the natives.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:45:31 PM EDT
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Are you saying it’s never been attempted??
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:45:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:46:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:46:36 PM EDT
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I'm wearing a shirt made in Africa. It's made in kenya.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem with Africa, is that it’s full of ________. Exactly. Look at Durban. It WAS industrialized and they pretty much destroyed it in a few days! But let's not talk about the gorilla in the room! Just like here in the good old USA. 
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:48:54 PM EDT
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We tried, back in the 70s and 80s.
Ask Volkswagen and Pepsi how it works when the government decides to nationalize your factory. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:49:06 PM EDT
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Somalia had factories once. They were taken apart for scrap metal.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:56:05 PM EDT
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Rwanda is doing pretty good for having a genocide 27 years ago.
With their willingness to work with outside investment and AGOA, they'll be a leading country on the continent within the next 2 decades. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:56:10 PM EDT
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I spent time in Africa. Some folks are genuinely smart and good human beings, but...
people there are very tribal. Think concentric circles of loyalty: immediate family first, village/tribe next, region, nation last. Altruism there is a foreign concept. I have (ex) family there, and I wish them no ill will. ETA - I think Togo does well with industrial beer production.  |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:58:23 PM EDT
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Europeans tried and they got kicked out.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 8:59:27 PM EDT
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Before Europeans colonized Sub Saharan Africa how many great cities were there? How many written languages were there? Had a wheel been invented there? How well have the populations progressed since the colonial era ended? , Look at South Africa today, would you want to invest there? All serious questions. We have enough places where we are wasting money without "helping Africa" any more.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:06:21 PM EDT
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I read a good article by an American in Africa who said the US perceives Africa as a giant shit hole not bothering with. The Chinese view Africa as "some parts we can make a buck in" and with super populated and competitive China it's worth the risk to strike out and gamble in trying to make money in Africa
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:06:49 PM EDT
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Fuck Africa. Let those fuckers fend for themselves, except the oppressed South Africans. Let them come here.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:07:09 PM EDT
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China is going to destroy Africa. That continent will be a wasteland of war within 25 years.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:08:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read a good article by an American in Africa who said the US perceives Africa as a giant shit hole not bothering with. The Chinese view Africa as "some parts we can make a buck in" and with super populated and competitive China it's worth the risk to strike out and gamble in trying to make money in Africa The chinese have also gotten away with killing locals, there are even rumors of cannibalism because of the weird chinese tradition of folk medicine. The things they do there are things that western nations could never get away with. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:09:57 PM EDT
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The only way to help Africa is to remove all Africans.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:11:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China is going to destroy Africa. That continent will be a wasteland of war within 25 years. It's been a war zone as long as I can remember, and I'm an old fart. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:12:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem with Africa, is that it’s full of ________. Chinese? |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:12:29 PM EDT
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When oil prices crater as EVs take over the market the next few years, Africa is going to become an Ecological disaster. China will strip mine it, leave the craters, export toxic waste there, etc.
The local population will not be able to survive. It will be chaos. I predict hundreds of millions of deaths there. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:14:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When oil prices crater as EVs take over the market the next few years, Africa is going to become an Ecological disaster. China will strip mine it, leave the craters, export toxic waste there, etc. The local population will not be able to survive. It will be chaos. I predict hundreds of millions of deaths there. Millions will probably die, but the land is too valuable to poison it. The chinese are already moving there as well and planting roots, it's the perfect solution to their overpopulation problem. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:15:41 PM EDT
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Chinese beat us to it. Plus, they have the will to dominate we lack.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:15:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why do we set up factories in Thailand, Mexico, India, China, Malaysia, Tibet, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, etc… You realize the years 1880-1914 actually happened right? We've already tried this |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:17:37 PM EDT
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 Arfcom Africa threads are entertaining. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:18:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before Europeans colonized Sub Saharan Africa how many great cities were there? How many written languages were there? Had a wheel been invented there? How well have the populations progressed since the colonial era ended? , Look at South Africa today, would you want to invest there? All serious questions. We have enough places where we are wasting money without "helping Africa" any more. Obviously South Africa is a bigger mess than Detroit but anything in Africa, but the whole continent gets written off as "those low iq not wheel inventing dummies!" Course you couldn't pay me enough to move there and run a widget factory  There was a thread on the Esee forum about an American guy whose wife went to Africa every summer as part of some research project. He went one time and wrote it up. It was some rural area and they were just so impoverished it was amazing. It was like stories of early Appalachia. He said his generic Esee knife was so much better than the local knives made out of car springs or whatever that it would get used by multiple work parties throughout the day. I think they walked to another village that had a foot powered wheel sharpening stone |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:18:07 PM EDT
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If they get organized and stop fighting with each other they may figure out what kind of resources they have.
The rest of the world doesn't want that because it makes it more difficult to "negotiate" those resources for themselves. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:18:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Millions will probably die, but the land is too valuable to poison it. The chinese are already moving there as well and planting roots, it's the perfect solution to their overpopulation problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When oil prices crater as EVs take over the market the next few years, Africa is going to become an Ecological disaster. China will strip mine it, leave the craters, export toxic waste there, etc. The local population will not be able to survive. It will be chaos. I predict hundreds of millions of deaths there. Millions will probably die, but the land is too valuable to poison it. The chinese are already moving there as well and planting roots, it's the perfect solution to their overpopulation problem. Chinese don't care, they poison their own homeland this way right now. I guarantee they couldn't care less about Africa. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:18:47 PM EDT
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We have hundreds of thousands of people illegally crossing our southern border on this subject the dimocrats aren’t interested in getting to the root cause.
I would rather see us work to get rid of corruption and industrialize Central America than Africa. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:20:32 PM EDT
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I would not be surprised to see the Chinese invade Africa and kill off every single person on the continent to steal the resources.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:20:54 PM EDT
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Maybe....and i know this is a crazy idea....but just perhaps we should be setting up the means of production here, within the confines of our own borders. The main reason our supply chain is failing right now is because we are fully dependent on shipments of crucial supplies from across oceans. We need a government that stops creating barriers to commerce. Ill take a policy of isolationism over one of globalism every time.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:24:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somalia had factories once. They were taken apart for scrap metal. The same thing happened with all of the farms that were stolen. Rather than maintain and operate the farms, they scrapped and sold all of the irrigation equipment. What makes you think a factory would fare any differently? |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:26:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not be surprised to see the Chinese invade Africa and kill off every single person on the continent to steal the resources. I couldn't really imagine a timeline where I'd fucking love China but here we have a glimpse. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I spent time in Africa. Some folks are genuinely smart and good human beings, but... people there are very tribal. Think concentric circles of loyalty: immediate family first, village/tribe next, region, nation last. Altruism there is a foreign concept. I have (ex) family there, and I wish them no ill will. ETA - I think Togo does well with industrial beer production. Sparky's new account? |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:39:32 PM EDT
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TIA
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:41:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TIA Came here for this. Gd is slow today. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:43:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before Europeans colonized Sub Saharan Africa how many great cities were there? How many written languages were there? Had a wheel been invented there? How well have the populations progressed since the colonial era ended? , Look at South Africa today, would you want to invest there? All serious questions. We have enough places where we are wasting money without "helping Africa" any more. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:44:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before Europeans colonized Sub Saharan Africa how many great cities were there? How many written languages were there? Had a wheel been invented there? How well have the populations progressed since the colonial era ended? , Look at South Africa today, would you want to invest there? All serious questions. We have enough places where we are wasting money without "helping Africa" any more. There were a number of great and influential empires in Africa during the bronze age, with writing and poetry and trade and (probably) the wheel. From the iron age forward, the only 'native' empire of any note, with any great centers of scholarship and technological advancements, was the Mali empire - which among other things spawned the "richest man in history", and the world heritage site at Timbuktu. All the great African empires, whether native (Mali, Songhai, Aksum) or settlements by foreigners like Carthage and -Dynastic Egypt are all north of the equator. Sub-Saharan Africa pretty much stayed in the stone or bronze ages, until European colonization. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem with Africa, is that it’s full of ________. Mosquitoes! |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:47:12 PM EDT
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We all know the reason, but if we say it we get banned.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:49:20 PM EDT
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If we don’t export freedom there. China will by it up and build communism.
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:49:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sparky's new account? I'm not Sparky, don't know Sparky, but he sounds interesting if he had family in Africa. I just assume I'd face machete justice there if I ever returned after divorcing their family member. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:50:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We all know the reason, but if we say it we get banned. Lack of maintained infrastructure due to the failure of the colonial governments to create a governing structure that was sustainable upon independence? |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:50:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We all know the reason, but if we say it we get banned. I won't say the O-word if you don't. The resource trap is a real thing and it's sad. Norway and Saudi Arabia and Iran and Mexico and Canada and the USA notwithstanding. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:51:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why do we set up factories in Thailand, Mexico, India, China, Malaysia, Tibet, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, etc…. But nothing in Africa. I cannot think of a single thing I own that says made in Africa. Surely there is something that can be made there.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:52:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read a good article by an American in Africa who said the US perceives Africa as a giant shit hole not bothering with. The Chinese view Africa as "some parts we can make a buck in" and with super populated and competitive China it's worth the risk to strike out and gamble in trying to make money in Africa China doesn't have to deal with legions of domestic whiners in regards to their activity there, so there is a lot more upside for them. |
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:52:26 PM EDT
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Umm... it's been tried over and over with horrible results. Peace corps workers can't even get them to maintain a well pump because after a year it either breaks due to lack of maintenance or it gets stripped for parts, and you want them to take industrial technology and run with it?
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Posted: 7/14/2021 9:53:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But let's not talk about the gorilla in the room. The fucking jokes you could spin off this line  |
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