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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:27:16 AM EDT

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I suppose he got cosmetic surgery to hide the railroad tracks on the web of his right hand between his thumb and trigger finger?

PPKs like to leave a tell tale parallel cut on the web of the hand if you grip them just a wee bit too high.

May as well just sharpen the slide so it cuts cleanly instead of rips.

Stainless is even sharper.

Posted: 11/5/2012 10:29:10 AM EDT

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I suppose he got cosmetic surgery to hide the railroad tracks on the web of his right hand between his thumb and trigger finger?

PPKs like to leave a tell tale parallel cut on the web of the hand if you grip them just a wee bit too high.

May as well just sharpen the slide so it cuts cleanly instead of rips.

Stainless is even sharper.

You ain't kidding. I learned that the hard way with my mighty Detonics Combat Master .45.

The spray of blood hit my shooting glasses.

Posted: 11/5/2012 10:30:58 AM EDT

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Because he is European.

Posted: 11/5/2012 10:47:08 AM EDT

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http://youtu.be/QaQp_qKC5RA

http://youtu.be/K4ogE3ETx-M

You sonofabitch!

Now I'm going to have to go watch every single Bond movie all over again

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:02:22 AM EDT

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Assuming the op was questioning the Walther, I assume the reasoning for the writer, was because of its use by Nazis in WWII.

As for the actual movies/books, they must have mentioned something...

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:04:06 AM EDT

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Bond originally carried a Berreta 418 in .25 ACP

http://www.exordinanza.net/foto/beretta418.jpg

Thank you! +1. THIS!

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:13:27 AM EDT

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Because if you are wearing a tailored suit, you need something small so it doesn't ruin the lines.

There's no logical reason for him to carry that gun still in 2012. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Seriously though the only reason he carries it is for tradition. I just think it's dumb that they finally upgraded him to the P99 and then they downgraded him back to the PPK.

This is what I think.

I like it. It's a nice return to him being a spy and not a shit not of retarded/gimmicky gadgets. The Q shit was getting ridiculous after a while

I like the way they poke fun at the tech stuff in Skyfall, going so far as to make Bond accused out of touch.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:14:10 AM EDT

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He has a license to kil……….

A LICENSE TO KILL…….

They gave this man a license to kill people.

He has the permission from his country to kill people!

You don't get that license if you have a record for missing!

I wonder if the fee was $200.00 & an oversized stamp?

I'd apply for one……… its like my CCW……… I hope I never have to use but its nice to have

I would buy a novelty one if I saw a booth where you could get one made.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:15:57 AM EDT

[#9]

This????

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:16:01 AM EDT

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I think it's become iconic....it's what the original had.

Short of an armor piercing weapon the plot can move well enough if the shots are on target.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:16:28 AM EDT

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PPK is an abbreviation of "small police pistol"

Actually it is an abbreviation of "Polizei Pistole Kriminal" which translates to Police Pistol Detective. Basically it is a Detective's Special version of the Walther PP (Police Pistol.)

I always thought the K was for "Kurz", or short. (shorter than the original PP)

That would definitely be descriptive, but not the actual name.

ETA: From the GERMAN wiki article (as translated by Google)

The Walther PPK is an automatic pistol of German arms manufacturer Carl Walther GmbH Sportwaffen . The model name "PPK" stands for P olizei P istole K riminal . The erroneous designation "Police Pistol short" is so widespread that even the manufacturer is sometimes used. The compact design of the weapon, it is predestined for use by the police and for concealed carry.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_PPK

I'll be damned. I learned something in GD

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:16:53 AM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:20:48 AM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Well, the trouble is there is never a 70 year old around when you need one.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:23:47 AM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Define "spy" in your mind.

He surreptitiously "penetrates" organizations (and women, but I digress), to obtain information sought by his government, and does so quite frequently. He also goes far beyond that, but the former is central to what he does.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:24:32 AM EDT

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I'll be damned. I learned something in GD

Sorry. My bad.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:28:46 AM EDT

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In Europe, especially 30-40 years ago, the .32 and .380ACP were considered adequate self defense cartridges.

9mm was the powerhouse.

Bingo. I have a former German police Walther PP. For them, 9mm is a big-bore upgrade.

Our history is largely dominated by people using big guns carried in the open, or at least the history we talk about. In truth, a lot of concealed carry happened which is why there's such a thing as chopped down Colts and the like from the old west days.

In European capitals they didn't have many people walking around with a .45 Colt strapped to their leg. Smaller, lighter, and easier to conceal were the rule of the day.

There weren´t LOTS of BP Pocket Colts in .32???

And not LOTS of Deringers and Derringers and S & W Breaktops in anemic calibers?

Where does the Word "Suicide Special" come from?

Just sayin ... Hermann

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:30:54 AM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Define "spy" in your mind.

He surreptitiously "penetrates" organizations (and women, but I digress), to obtain information sought by his government, and does so quite frequently. He also goes far beyond that, but the former is central to what he does.

Yes, and he appropriated the name James Bond. The true James Bond was an innocuous Ornithologist. He passed away in 1989.

Seems a dick move to keep using the name of the poor fellow. What chance did an ornithologist have against the likes of SMERSH?

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:31:29 AM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Define "spy" in your mind.

He surreptitiously "penetrates" organizations (and women, but I digress), to obtain information sought by his government, and does so quite frequently. He also goes far beyond that, but the former is central to what he does.

But spys are supposed to do all that and not get caught and strapped to an improbably slow death contraption , only to break free in a firely explosion. Then again I supposed a two hour movie about a low level government clerk copying sensative documents on his lunch break and posting them to the soviet embassy in return for a fat pile of cash wouldnt be such a box office hit...

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:31:36 AM EDT

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I liked the big Walther that Pierce Brosnan carried in his movies and Daniel Craig in his first one.

It has changed in the films

the ppk in 32 is seen as standard but the P5, PP sport (a 22lr) and the P99 have all filled the role. quit bitching his watch is a magnet explain THAT

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:31:43 AM EDT

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He needs to save weight. The parachute, breathing apparatus, poison vials, laser torch, jet pack, bombs and all that get kinda weighty.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:34:19 AM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Define "spy" in your mind.

He surreptitiously "penetrates" organizations (and women, but I digress), to obtain information sought by his government, and does so quite frequently. He also goes far beyond that, but the former is central to what he does.

But spys are supposed to do all that and not get caught and strapped to an improbably slow death contraption , only to break free in a firely explosion.

A shitload of spies get caught. The Pakistani doc that ratted out Bin Laden? Add to that the whole license to kill thing (often including a tasking of the sort), and the odds increase.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:36:19 AM EDT

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Because fuck you, that's why....

LOL

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:36:54 AM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Define "spy" in your mind.

He surreptitiously "penetrates" organizations (and women, but I digress), to obtain information sought by his government, and does so quite frequently. He also goes far beyond that, but the former is central to what he does.

But spys are supposed to do all that and not get caught and strapped to an improbably slow death contraption , only to break free in a firely explosion.

A shitload of spies get caught. The Pakistani doc that ratted out Bin Laden? Add to that the whole license to kill thing (often including a tasking of the sort), and the odds increase.

But the pakistani doc didnt have to race to get the location of Bin Ladens hideout to his CIA handler on skis, whilst Al Qaeda gunmen chased after him spraying the snow and trees arround him with gunfire as they rocket down a mountainside and off a cliff where the CIA agent is miraculously waiting in a helicopter and then they fly into the sunset with the doctor hanging from the skids as the gunmen fall to thier doom.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:39:56 AM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Define "spy" in your mind.

He surreptitiously "penetrates" organizations (and women, but I digress), to obtain information sought by his government, and does so quite frequently. He also goes far beyond that, but the former is central to what he does.

But spys are supposed to do all that and not get caught and strapped to an improbably slow death contraption , only to break free in a firely explosion.

A shitload of spies get caught. The Pakistani doc that ratted out Bin Laden? Add to that the whole license to kill thing (often including a tasking of the sort), and the odds increase.

But the pakistani doc didnt have to race to get the location of Bin Ladens hideout to his CIA handler on skis, whilst Al Qaeda gunmen chased after him spraying the snow and trees arround him with gunfire as they rocket down a mountainside and off a cliff where the CIA agent is miraculously waiting in a helicopter.

Well, if only we had a guy who could not only locate the bad guy, but also dispatch him at the same time? It would save a lot of effort on the part of the SEALs, no?

You keep moving the goal posts.

The fact remains, nearly every movie begins with a question, and Bond is off to find the answer. The fact they give him the rope to do so much more, makes it fun.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:54:09 AM EDT

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Because he is European.

Anglos and Irish don't consider themselves 'Europeans'.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:56:06 AM EDT

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Because he's James Freaking Bond and can kill you with a thumbtack if he wants to. In his hands, the PPK might as well be a cannon.

CJ

James Bond = Riddick in a suit?

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:57:46 AM EDT

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As a spy, if you have to draw your weapon your cover has been blown before you drew it. Hopefully, using it quickly and quietly will get you through or at least aid your escape. Being that a spy is usually quite physically close to the person who 'made' him, a .32acp will suffice for the necessary 'wet work.'

I would expect that 007 would carry something more substantial if he had to go from undercover to tactical operations.

"Bond....James Bond" What 'cover would you be refereing to?

Posted: 11/5/2012 12:01:50 PM EDT

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As a spy, if you have to draw your weapon your cover has been blown before you drew it. Hopefully, using it quickly and quietly will get you through or at least aid your escape. Being that a spy is usually quite physically close to the person who 'made' him, a .32acp will suffice for the necessary 'wet work.'

I would expect that 007 would carry something more substantial if he had to go from undercover to tactical operations.

"Bond....James Bond" What 'cover would you be refereing to?

He adopts a cover on occasion, and no doubt used them to enter certain countries.

Posted: 11/5/2012 12:48:03 PM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Define "spy" in your mind.

He surreptitiously "penetrates" organizations (and women, but I digress), to obtain information sought by his government, and does so quite frequently. He also goes far beyond that, but the former is central to what he does.

not mention that before the internet it did not really matter if you gave the real name or not....there was no Google....and Bond was an Employee of Universal Industries or some such......plus all the others spies that he told his name too died for the most part..

and on the few times he gives a false name the bad guys intel has already put his real name to his face...

it is fiction you know

Posted: 11/5/2012 12:56:47 PM EDT

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Efette British upper crust snobbery and tradition.

Grunts and the bottom feeders carry and use heavy, ugly, and brutish weapons.

Gentlemen need something that speaks of sophistication, and utility be damned.

John Wayne=.45 Colt
Dirty Harry=S&W 29

Nancy boy Bond?

Did you grunt and fondle yourself while posting that?

Posted: 11/5/2012 12:58:22 PM EDT

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Because he is an pussified English character protrayed by anti-gun faggots in films made by Hollywood pieces of socialist shit.

Gay Perry in "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang" was twice the man Bond is.

Good lord take your goggles off for awhile. I swear some of you must be intolerable to be around.

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:01:10 PM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Define "spy" in your mind.

He surreptitiously "penetrates" organizations (and women, but I digress), to obtain information sought by his government, and does so quite frequently. He also goes far beyond that, but the former is central to what he does.

not mention that before the internet it did not really matter if you gave the real name or not....there was no Google....and Bond was an Employee of Universal Industries or some such......plus all the others spies that he told his name too died for the most part..

and on the few times he gives a false name the bad guys intel has already put his real name to his face...

it is fiction you know

Universal Exports, actually.

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:06:17 PM EDT

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This????

http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/bersa_380_gold.jpg

If it was legal here not only would I love to carry this pistol but I'd wear a tuxedo every damn day for the rest of my life

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:12:43 PM EDT

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Because he had a freakin' laser in his watch!

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:12:57 PM EDT

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well, when you consider that Israeli Mossad agents were killing people with Beretta .22's, the PPK was a hand cannon

I soooo want a Beretta .22!

What are they called, 78's?

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:13:31 PM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Define "spy" in your mind.

He surreptitiously "penetrates" organizations (and women, but I digress), to obtain information sought by his government, and does so quite frequently. He also goes far beyond that, but the former is central to what he does.

not mention that before the internet it did not really matter if you gave the real name or not....there was no Google....and Bond was an Employee of Universal Industries or some such......plus all the others spies that he told his name too died for the most part..

and on the few times he gives a false name the bad guys intel has already put his real name to his face...

it is fiction you know

What????? I had no idea!

Next thing you know you're gonna be telling me that Santa ain't real

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:15:48 PM EDT

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Because he had a freakin' laser in his watch!

And the Rolex's bezel worked as a saw too.

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:27:04 PM EDT

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In the 1969 James Bond movie, "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", the bad guys showed great taste in weaponry.

Blofeld had a P-210 and his henchmen also used the P-210 as well as SIG-510 rifles.

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:46:07 PM EDT

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I suppose he got cosmetic surgery to hide the railroad tracks on the web of his right hand between his thumb and trigger finger?

PPKs like to leave a tell tale parallel cut on the web of the hand if you grip them just a wee bit too high.

May as well just sharpen the slide so it cuts cleanly instead of rips.

Stainless is even sharper.

You ain't kidding. I learned that the hard way with my mighty Detonics Combat Master .45.

The spray of blood hit my shooting glasses.

It's one of the reasons why I like to look at Walthers more than shoot them. They chop my hands up something fierce.

So do Glocks, albeit not as bad. My hands get a really high grip and that's ouchy when shooting some pistols.

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:49:34 PM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

Define "spy" in your mind.

He surreptitiously "penetrates" organizations (and women, but I digress), to obtain information sought by his government, and does so quite frequently. He also goes far beyond that, but the former is central to what he does.

not mention that before the internet it did not really matter if you gave the real name or not....there was no Google....and Bond was an Employee of Universal Industries or some such......plus all the others spies that he told his name too died for the most part..

and on the few times he gives a false name the bad guys intel has already put his real name to his face...

it is fiction you know

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It's a bit like working undercover in LE. The guy you just busted knows you're a cop, but another dude he doesn't know that you bust next week doesn't know you're a cop. Of course, being a 00 and getting to kill anyone you want helps keep the word of mouth to a minimum.

...plus, it's a damn movie.

In real life spying is rarely the sort of action packed adventure seen in a Bond film with fancy gadgets, expensive cars, custom tailored suits, and all the supermodels you can fuck.

In real life it's more like Benghazi.
I

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:57:40 PM EDT

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Because he is European.

And Europeans don't miss.

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:57:53 PM EDT

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People keep saying Bond is a spy. I have yet to see a Bond film in which he does any actually spying. It's mainly racing sports cars and blowing stuff up, whilst telling everyone he meets his real name.

then he is obviously doing a good job spying, you just don't see it.

Posted: 11/5/2012 1:59:48 PM EDT

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European. 9mm is considered a high-powered handgun round there.

My mom is from Europe, as are all my ancestors, so...not racists, or Continentalist....

Posted: 11/5/2012 2:18:19 PM EDT

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Because he is European.

And Europeans don't miss.

No.

Europeans are thin-skinned. .32 does just fine on them.

Posted: 11/5/2012 2:20:12 PM EDT

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Because he is European.

Anglos and Irish don't consider themselves 'Europeans'.

Americans do.

That is what matters.

Posted: 11/5/2012 2:21:32 PM EDT

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Because he is European.

And Europeans don't miss.

True. .32 can do the job just fine. Ask Gavrilo.

Posted: 11/5/2012 2:21:39 PM EDT

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We always here the saying it's shot placement that counts right? Well a 007 dont miss so he could prolly get away with a .22lr.

If oyu bother to read the Original Novels you'll find out that he originally used a .25 Beretta. It would be nearly halfway through the series before he was issued the PPK in .32 ACP.