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Quoted: The word Jew refers to a ethnic group of people. If you read the New Testament you’ll see that it’s always a reference to a group of people and not a religion. A good example is how Paul uses the phrase “ the Jew’s religion”. They aren’t Jews because they practice Judaism, Judaism is called Judaism because the majority of people that practiced it were Jews. Technically they are Hebrews. View Quote Not all Hebrews were Jewish. Some Hebrews mixed with Greeks and were known as Phocians. There were different "tribes" of Hebrews. The ones that followed king David were Jewish Hebrews. |
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Quoted: You are quite incorrect. They do in fact jive. There might be some other intermixing going on over 2 millenia, but DNA from the Lavant is in there. View Quote Based on what randomly sampling dna from modern people who self identify as being from an area which was conquered many times over? Do we have dna samples from biblical jews? Wouldn't biblical jews show more african dna than asian? |
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Don't tell my MIL, she's a bit nuts and asked the wife if I was going to turn our son Jew lol.
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Orthodox Jew here, and the answer is complicated . "Jewish" is de facto both a religion and an ethnicity, and Jewish practice fuses the two aspects even in heterodox streams. This is further complicated by the whole secular Israeli thing, where those guys see being Israeli as the ethnicity, not even necessarily Jewish (albeit if you press them on it, they'll typically tell you that's how they'd go if they went to a religion). A key point here is that once you're Jewish (birth or conversion), you're always Jewish no matter what you're doing.
Perhaps another way to think of it is "temporarily non-practicing Jews". Any Jew can repent and come back to religious observance, so they still have some hold to the title. |
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Quoted: Based on what randomly sampling dna from modern people who self identify as being from an area which was conquered many times over? Do we have dna samples from biblical jews? Wouldn't biblical jews show more african dna than asian? View Quote No, because we have the Mizrahi Jews who's ancestors never left the Lavant. |
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Quoted: It is a cultural connection to their family and ancestors. Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, etc Most Irish are Catholic, but it's the "Irish" that ties them to a place and a culture. Same with Italian. Go to Africa or to parts of the Middle East (or to an Indian Res), and people will identify by Tribe. Some Tribes host different religious sects. Some of you guys need to get out more and see the world. View Quote I'm sure it is for some, I have only ever had someone tell me they are Jewish as an attempt to win an argument they were losing. |
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Quoted: Orthodox Jew here, and the answer is complicated . "Jewish" is de facto both a religion and an ethnicity, and Jewish practice fuses the two aspects even in heterodox streams. This is further complicated by the whole secular Israeli thing, where those guys see being Israeli as the ethnicity, not even necessarily Jewish (albeit if you press them on it, they'll typically tell you that's how they'd go if they went to a religion). A key point here is that once you're Jewish (birth or conversion), you're always Jewish no matter what you're doing. Perhaps another way to think of it is "temporarily non-practicing Jews". Any Jew can repent and come back to religious observance, so they still have some hold to the title. View Quote |
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Quoted: I'm sure it is for some, I have only ever had someone tell me they are Jewish as an attempt to win an argument they were losing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It is a cultural connection to their family and ancestors. Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, etc Most Irish are Catholic, but it's the "Irish" that ties them to a place and a culture. Same with Italian. Go to Africa or to parts of the Middle East (or to an Indian Res), and people will identify by Tribe. Some Tribes host different religious sects. Some of you guys need to get out more and see the world. I'm sure it is for some, I have only ever had someone tell me they are Jewish as an attempt to win an argument they were losing. The only times any Jew has every revealed to you that they were Jewish, was when they were losing arguments where their Jewish ancestry would help win the argument? What is this argument that you keep having with secret Jews? |
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Quoted: In simplistic terms, a synagogue is a social club and learning center, not a Jewish church. There is no requirement for a Jew to ever enter a synagogue. View Quote I guess I got that impression from all of the synagogues and other community buildings being packed on Jewish holidays, equating that to Christianity's holidays. |
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Quoted: Race is a social construct with no basis in science. It is by its nature a racist concept. View Quote The only meaningful use of the word that I know of refers to all of humanity as A race. Or all of dogs as "a race." That sort of thing. When people start trying to apply it inside of those kinds of groupings, all sorts of evil and nonsense comes out, because the distinctions people try to make with it don't mean what they say they do. |
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Quoted: Based on what randomly sampling dna from modern people who self identify as being from an area which was conquered many times over? Do we have dna samples from biblical jews? Wouldn't biblical jews show more african dna than asian? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You are quite incorrect. They do in fact jive. There might be some other intermixing going on over 2 millenia, but DNA from the Lavant is in there. Based on what randomly sampling dna from modern people who self identify as being from an area which was conquered many times over? Do we have dna samples from biblical jews? Wouldn't biblical jews show more african dna than asian? @Obo2 Here you go, go hog wild: https://nitter.mint.lgbt/MiroCyo/status/1712258026881921287#m |
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Quoted: The only times any Jew has every revealed to you that they were Jewish, was when they were losing arguments where their Jewish ancestry would help win the argument? What is this argument that you keep having with secret Jews? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It is a cultural connection to their family and ancestors. Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, etc Most Irish are Catholic, but it's the "Irish" that ties them to a place and a culture. Same with Italian. Go to Africa or to parts of the Middle East (or to an Indian Res), and people will identify by Tribe. Some Tribes host different religious sects. Some of you guys need to get out more and see the world. I'm sure it is for some, I have only ever had someone tell me they are Jewish as an attempt to win an argument they were losing. The only times any Jew has every revealed to you that they were Jewish, was when they were losing arguments where their Jewish ancestry would help win the argument? What is this argument that you keep having with secret Jews? I said I have only had someone tell me they were Jewish in response to an argument, not that I wasn't already aware of it. You feign surprise as if people should be coming up to me like "Hi, I'm Bob, I'm Jewish", maybe they do that to you. I had a "Jewish" roommate in college that would claimed to be a conservative and would only bring it up ever (because he didn't practice, didn't normally care and gave no shits about the heritage) as some sort of foil to justify his liberal tendencies whenever we would have political discussions. But the last one I can remember is I was talking to a hardcore liberal, aka a fucking communist, from work a few years ago about recent and ongoing communist genocides during the last century and they first tried to act like that they were unimportant and nonexistent then they brought up that they are Jewish so for some non-sequitur reason they know more about genocide than I do and/or that particular genocide was more evil and I am somehow a holocaust denier because I am talking about more current and larger genocides. It was complete nonsensical bullshit, so inane all one could do is end the conversation because they have no capacity for rational thought. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Similar thread about Christianity would have been locked 12 hours ago. What? I'm not attacking anyone. Oh agreed and I think these threads are perfectly appropriate for GD (though they all do devolve rather quickly as most GD threads are wont to do) but there’s a marked bias in moderation which consigns anything remotely critical of Christianity to the dustbin. My point was only that someone starting a similar thread with similar responses but focused on Christianity would have resulted in a rapid lock - but this one proceeds down the expected and predictable path. |
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Quoted: My point was only that someone starting a similar thread with similar responses but focused on Christianity would have resulted in a rapid lock - but this one proceeds down the expected and predictable path. View Quote I bet you it'd go 20 pages before anyone even got moderated. Some animals are more equal. |
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View Quote That provides a little clarity and sort of backs my insinuation. Despite the stated conclusion of the tweet author. He gives an explanation of what the numbers mean and the first groups listed as jews fall in to from the same region while samaritans and Christians are more closely related. It would be interesting to see some american jews who may claim to be from so and so tribe ranked on there. It's been said many of those would actually be descended more so from gypsies (indian nomads) than biblical jews. The closest thing to central European jews who immigrated here that are on that list is italian jews and they are near the bottom of the list. |
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Quoted: That provides a little clarity and sort of backs my insinuation. Despite the stated conclusion of the tweet author. He gives an explanation of what the numbers mean and the first groups listed as jews fall in to from the same region while samaritans and Christians are more closely related. It would be interesting to see some american jews who may claim to be from so and so tribe ranked on there. It's been said many of those would actually be descended more so from gypsies (indian nomads) than biblical jews. The closest thing to central European jews who immigrated here that are on that list is italian jews and they are near the bottom of the list. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: That provides a little clarity and sort of backs my insinuation. Despite the stated conclusion of the tweet author. He gives an explanation of what the numbers mean and the first groups listed as jews fall in to from the same region while samaritans and Christians are more closely related. It would be interesting to see some american jews who may claim to be from so and so tribe ranked on there. It's been said many of those would actually be descended more so from gypsies (indian nomads) than biblical jews. The closest thing to central European jews who immigrated here that are on that list is italian jews and they are near the bottom of the list. It's a very long thread and the OP of the thread keeps interacting. Continue to click to load more and read it all, there's a lot of content of note there. |
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Quoted: It's a very long thread and the OP of the thread keeps interacting. Continue to click to load more and read it all, there's a lot of content of note there. View Quote I read through the main thread initially. He kind of answers some questions further down discussing ashkenazi which i believe is primarily what we have here in the US... |
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Jewish is a race not a religion.
One cannot simply become Jewish. At least this is what the Jews I have been friends with have told me. |
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It's a good question. Goes for everything.
For example why America haters call themselves American. |
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Tunneling isn't for everyone.
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