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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:10:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it did exist and they review the law on braces and told us we were allowed to use braces. Then they changed their minds because their political master decided they wanted to poke conservatives in the eye with a stick. In doing so, they have turned millions of their opponents into potential felons who they can put in jail. That is the action of a third world communist dictatorship. This action was designed to piss people off and, guess what, people are pissed with good reason. So please save your “ can’t we all get along bullshit” for people who weren’t paying attention. BTW, remember, if you are selected for a jury in any case involving any Federal LE, the answer is “not guilty” without respect to the charge. They want to play games with us, let’s play games with them until are either disbanded or significant change occurs that prevents this BS from happening in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Braces were a way to circumvent it from the start. Free SBR stamps do not equal a new registry. Do you currently own machineguns, suppressors, DDs, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DEWATs? They have your name already. Calm the fuck down. Yes it did exist and they review the law on braces and told us we were allowed to use braces. Then they changed their minds because their political master decided they wanted to poke conservatives in the eye with a stick. In doing so, they have turned millions of their opponents into potential felons who they can put in jail. That is the action of a third world communist dictatorship. This action was designed to piss people off and, guess what, people are pissed with good reason. So please save your “ can’t we all get along bullshit” for people who weren’t paying attention. BTW, remember, if you are selected for a jury in any case involving any Federal LE, the answer is “not guilty” without respect to the charge. They want to play games with us, let’s play games with them until are either disbanded or significant change occurs that prevents this BS from happening in the future. Like I mentioned previously, I was heavily posting in multiple forums when the first brace came out. Everyone adopted it so they didn't have to go the SBR route. New manufacturers came out with ATF-approved designs that were more stock-like, and people moved to those designs. Then there was back-and-forth with the ATF about shouldering and all kinds of jackasses wrote them letters for clarification. First statement: The NFA is Bullshit, and absolute infrinegment. Everyone knew this was coming. I can't believe people everywhere want to pretend like they have amnesia in regard to this. It was all over every forum and every youtube video about it being an SBR and NFA workaround. Everyone threw it in the governments face, and now they want to cry about their reaction. Government has endless amounts of money to fight you in court. Go ahead and talk about infringement, but it is still LAW right now. Has been since 1934. Its not new. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:10:30 PM EDT
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What about sig uppers? No tube, no brace etc. It seems someone could jump in that game and build that type upper. You won't shoulder it, you'll sling it.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:11:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Own any machineguns? If not, why? |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:12:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because there are lots of gun owners that bought pistol brace AR's and other firearms that don't pay attention to stuff like this. They'll never know about the amnesty. Or need to register. It's a problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great! Then I don't understand why you would even waste your time in this thread. Have a good night! Because there are lots of gun owners that bought pistol brace AR's and other firearms that don't pay attention to stuff like this. They'll never know about the amnesty. Or need to register. It's a problem. I agree with you on this. It is a HUGE problem, and to be honest I never considered this aspect until you just brought it up. Thank you for that. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snip Not everyone lives on gun forums. Shit loads of pistol brace quipped AR's and other firearms were sold to people as perfectly legal and many had no idea about the atf drama. Many people bought cheap pistol brace AR's as their first AR's. And many of them will never know about this. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:13:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with you on this. It is a HUGE problem, and to be honest I never considered this aspect until you just brought it up. Thank you for that. Thanks. lol that's my only issue with this. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $$$$ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Own any machineguns? If not, why? Well if you are complying with the ATF, sure. But if not, so damn easy and so damn cheap. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:15:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. lol that's my only issue with this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree with you on this. It is a HUGE problem, and to be honest I never considered this aspect until you just brought it up. Thank you for that. Thanks. lol that's my only issue with this. Here I am harping on about not panicking, when I never even considered this. I feel pretty foolish. This is a big concern. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I make it in before the atf account asked to post how many illegal MGs someone owns? Free men don’t ask for permission. Which is why you have unregistered MGs and never had braces on your unregistered SBRs anyways, right? 
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:24:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AR15 receivers, for the most part, require milling to fit a dias, and as you admit other receivers also require modification. The already have a crime for that. Bump fire stock ban was overturned, btw. Knife, stock or both?  Attached FileNo milling required.  Attached FileYou haven't a clue on open bolts obviously. The point is AFT pen strokes when it feels like it and this time it involves 10's of millions of people. Not a couple thousand or 500,000 like the bumpers. And only the 5th Circuit saw through the BS bullshit. Hardley overturned until SCOTUS decides but the powers that be have no plans on complying there either. I could go on but you do you. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:25:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool. You're willing. Please draft us some form letters and scripts. I wish you were as interested in standing up for all our civil rights as you apparently are in spending all afternoon arguing for being a lazy simp to our bureaucratic oppressors, but fuck it, sure thing, here you go. "Hi, I'm tired of living under the Jim Crow style oppression of the National Firearms Act of 1934 and demand that you work to repeal it and disempower the ATF from bureaucratically lynching honest citizens who simply wish to exercise their Constitutionally protected civil rights. If poll taxes and literacy tests on the right to vote are illegal, then taxes and legal hassles imposed on the right to keep and bear arms are too. It is a disgrace that we have allowed this injustice to stand for as long as it has. Uphold your oath of office and right this historical wrong for the good of the country and its citizens." Call the NFA Jim Crow 2.0. Call them the KKKTF since they enforce an unconstitutional tax on a civil right for the sake of oppressing a marginalized group (gun owners face legal restraints and scrutiny beyond those of other citizens and are pretty clearly looked down upon by the federal government and cast as an "other" by the media at large). Get fucking creative, stop being and encouraging fucking lazy compliance. Your civil rights have been stolen from you by sneering assholes in the DC beltway. Don't calm down about it. Get mad and take them back. (This is less for the lazy whale and more for everyone who rightly disagrees with his low-energy nonsense) |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:27:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh look another 22er encouraging free stamps for all. Get in line guys, it’ll be ok. They promised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380149/5AFFB051-E2A0-4E18-9925-775936E3BF7C-2671881.jpg this is in CT...where the Governor wants to confiscate them now |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:31:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole point is that NFA existed, and braces were a way to get around it. No the braces were a way not to break the law Stop pretending that everyone didn't know this. The fact that people are mad about the brace ruling and screeching about non-compliance is ridiculous because by using the brace they were trying to comply with the NFA. Its that simple. Stop shitting on me. I wasn't every motherfucker posting threads all over the internet throwing shit at the ATF while I shouldered my brace, and used my youtube account to make money and sell products while shitting on the community. That wasn't me. The whole brace issue has been back and forth with the ATF for YEARS while videos and threads were pumped out throwing it in their face. The community fucked around and found out. Hopefully lawsuits will resolve this shit, and I hope it gets SBRs and SBSs off the NFA. If the speed limit is 45mph and you do 44mph are you following the law or are you using 44mph to get around the law. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:34:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: Damn if 22 isn't the new 13. Hell, 22ers make 13ers look like Stephen Hawking. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:39:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Um so you are telling me that all Fed Gov employees have always been upstanding that some of them have never done mental gymnastics to get their way? and with a current time frame of over 300 years to approve all the stamps the outcome for this is up for grabs. My pistols with braces have been disassembled to component parts and will either use the short barreled uppers on a receiver I have that doesn't need a receiver extension. And in the near future I might just do a standard SBR AR receiver. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3064/memeber_loaded_jpg-2672001.JPG It's the safest way to stay legal. and I have tax stamps already just no SBRs |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knife, stock or both? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/374700/IMG_0445_jpg-2672200.JPG No milling required. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/374700/Auto_Card_jpg-2672209.JPG You haven't a clue on open bolts obviously. The point is AFT pen strokes when it feels like it and this time it involves 10's of millions of people. Not a couple thousand or 500,000 like the bumpers. And only the 5th Circuit saw through the BS bullshit. Hardley overturned until SCOTUS decides but the powers that be have no plans on complying there either. I could go on but you do you. Why would you even post the auto key card considering that case is still undergoing. Are you deliberately trying to cloud the waters in regard to the current topic so you can argue that you are right somehow? Seems that way. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:43:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you e file now you don't have to engrave? False. I don’t know where this shit keeps coming from but from what I read in the actual document and not some internet bullshit was, if you bought a factory assembled pistol, the manufacturer’s engraving will satisfy the maker requirement. If you built your own, then you still have to engrave your name and city as the maker. Everyone is all spun up and 85% of them can’t be assed to read the fucking thing. 27. ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED, AM I REQUIRED TO MARK THE FIREARM SINCE I MANUFACTURED A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR)? If the SBR equipped with a “stabilizing brace” is registered within the 120-day tax forbearance period, the possessor is allowed to adopt the markings on the firearm. The maker’s marking exception is only applicable to firearms that are registered pursuant to the final rule. If the firearm is a personally made firearm, the possessor must mark in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92 & 479.102 prior to submitting the E-Form 1 |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:45:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish you were as interested in standing up for all our civil rights as you apparently are in spending all afternoon arguing for being a lazy simp to our bureaucratic oppressors, but fuck it, sure thing, here you go. "Hi, I'm tired of living under the Jim Crow style oppression of the National Firearms Act of 1934 and demand that you work to repeal it and disempower the ATF from bureaucratically lynching honest citizens who simply wish to exercise their Constitutionally protected civil rights. If poll taxes and literacy tests on the right to vote are illegal, then taxes and legal hassles imposed on the right to keep and bear arms are too. It is a disgrace that we have allowed this injustice to stand for as long as it has. Uphold your oath of office and right this historical wrong for the good of the country and its citizens." Call the NFA Jim Crow 2.0. Call them the KKKTF since they enforce an unconstitutional tax on a civil right for the sake of oppressing a marginalized group (gun owners face legal restraints and scrutiny beyond those of other citizens and are pretty clearly looked down upon by the federal government and cast as an "other" by the media at large). Get fucking creative, stop being and encouraging fucking lazy compliance. Your civil rights have been stolen from you by sneering assholes in the DC beltway. Don't calm down about it. Get mad and take them back. (This is less for the lazy whale and more for everyone who rightly disagrees with his low-energy nonsense) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cool. You're willing. Please draft us some form letters and scripts. I wish you were as interested in standing up for all our civil rights as you apparently are in spending all afternoon arguing for being a lazy simp to our bureaucratic oppressors, but fuck it, sure thing, here you go. "Hi, I'm tired of living under the Jim Crow style oppression of the National Firearms Act of 1934 and demand that you work to repeal it and disempower the ATF from bureaucratically lynching honest citizens who simply wish to exercise their Constitutionally protected civil rights. If poll taxes and literacy tests on the right to vote are illegal, then taxes and legal hassles imposed on the right to keep and bear arms are too. It is a disgrace that we have allowed this injustice to stand for as long as it has. Uphold your oath of office and right this historical wrong for the good of the country and its citizens." Call the NFA Jim Crow 2.0. Call them the KKKTF since they enforce an unconstitutional tax on a civil right for the sake of oppressing a marginalized group (gun owners face legal restraints and scrutiny beyond those of other citizens and are pretty clearly looked down upon by the federal government and cast as an "other" by the media at large). Get fucking creative, stop being and encouraging fucking lazy compliance. Your civil rights have been stolen from you by sneering assholes in the DC beltway. Don't calm down about it. Get mad and take them back. (This is less for the lazy whale and more for everyone who rightly disagrees with his low-energy nonsense) That reads like a retarded 6th grade wrote it after his meth head uncle told him to. Anyway, learn how to cite precedent or other kind of case law when you are trying to argue that very subject. Otherwise you just look like some ignorant redneck. To be clear, I am not calling you an ignorant redneck, I am just saying how what you wrote would appear to some shithead congress critter. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:46:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you even post the auto key card considering that case is still undergoing. Are you deliberately trying to cloud the waters in regard to the current topic so you can argue that you are right somehow? Seems that way. Stencils used to be legal. Kinda sorta. You seem to ignore the fact that NOTHING AFT says is ever cast in stone like law. That is the problem with this mess and the other cases I mentioned. Readily convertible covers a lot of bases. And you think your safe somehow? 
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:46:51 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted: Braces were a way to circumvent it from the start. Free SBR stamps do not equal a new registry. Do you currently own machineguns, suppressors, DDs, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DEWATs? They have your name already. Calm the fuck down. Not circumvent, just get as close as you can but still be inside the law. If a community didn't allow premarital sex but said that soaking was ok then all the single men, not wanting to get married, would be definitely soaking as it is considered ok. Now the community is back pedaling and saying no, you can't do that, even though it was ok up to this point. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:47:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the speed limit is 45mph and you do 44mph are you following the law or are you using 44mph to get around the law. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The whole point is that NFA existed, and braces were a way to get around it. No the braces were a way not to break the law Stop pretending that everyone didn't know this. The fact that people are mad about the brace ruling and screeching about non-compliance is ridiculous because by using the brace they were trying to comply with the NFA. Its that simple. Stop shitting on me. I wasn't every motherfucker posting threads all over the internet throwing shit at the ATF while I shouldered my brace, and used my youtube account to make money and sell products while shitting on the community. That wasn't me. The whole brace issue has been back and forth with the ATF for YEARS while videos and threads were pumped out throwing it in their face. The community fucked around and found out. Hopefully lawsuits will resolve this shit, and I hope it gets SBRs and SBSs off the NFA. If the speed limit is 45mph and you do 44mph are you following the law or are you using 44mph to get around the law. That is a ridiculous analogy and attempt at argument. Lets compare a moving violation to a felony? JFC. Grow up. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:48:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What gun is that? Its a fightlite SCR in pistol configuration. Good guns in both rifle and pistol config. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:49:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A stabilizing brace isn't a stock. A pistol is different than a rifle. Also ATF is not the law making body nor able to change definitions as they see fit. Rules aren't laws. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Braces were a way to circumvent it from the start. Free SBR stamps do not equal a new registry. Do you currently own machineguns, suppressors, DDs, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DEWATs? They have your name already. Calm the fuck down. A stabilizing brace isn't a stock. A pistol is different than a rifle. Also ATF is not the law making body nor able to change definitions as they see fit. Rules aren't laws. I've been wanting to say that ... |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That reads like a retarded 6th grade wrote it after his meth head uncle told him to. Anyway, learn how to cite precedent or other kind of case law when you are trying to argue that very subject. Otherwise you just look like some ignorant redneck. To be clear, I am not calling you an ignorant redneck, I am just saying how what you wrote would appear to some shithead congress critter. You don't like it and want to do the gentle boomer-con historical precedent citation shit that hasn't worked in 100 years, go ahead. Maybe take some time out of your busy day simping for the feds and show us how it's done there, uncle? |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:50:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: False. I don’t know where this shit keeps coming from but from what I read in the actual document and not some internet bullshit was, if you bought a factory assembled pistol, the manufacturer’s engraving will satisfy the maker requirement. If you built your own, then you still have to engrave your name and city as the maker. Everyone is all spun up and 85% of them can’t be assed to read the fucking thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you e file now you don't have to engrave? False. I don’t know where this shit keeps coming from but from what I read in the actual document and not some internet bullshit was, if you bought a factory assembled pistol, the manufacturer’s engraving will satisfy the maker requirement. If you built your own, then you still have to engrave your name and city as the maker. Everyone is all spun up and 85% of them can’t be assed to read the fucking thing. This is correct. If you bought it factory config'd with a brace, you don't have to engrave. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:51:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stencils used to be legal. Kinda sorta. You seem to ignore the fact that NOTHING AFT says is ever cast in stone like law. That is the problem with this mess and the other cases I mentioned. Readily convertible covers a lot of bases. And you think your safe somehow? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why would you even post the auto key card considering that case is still undergoing. Are you deliberately trying to cloud the waters in regard to the current topic so you can argue that you are right somehow? Seems that way. Stencils used to be legal. Kinda sorta. You seem to ignore the fact that NOTHING AFT says is ever cast in stone like law. That is the problem with this mess and the other cases I mentioned. Readily convertible covers a lot of bases. And you think your safe somehow? That case isn't even over yet. Don't try to use it as fact like you did. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:54:27 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That case isn't even over yet. Don't try to use it as fact like you did. Prosecution for a stencil isn't a fact? You sure are a trip. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:56:29 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not circumvent, just get as close as you can but still be inside the law. If a community didn't allow premarital sex but said that soaking was ok then all the single men, not wanting to get married, would be definitely soaking as it is considered ok. Now the community is back pedaling and saying no, you can't do that, even though it was ok up to this point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Braces were a way to circumvent it from the start. Free SBR stamps do not equal a new registry. Do you currently own machineguns, suppressors, DDs, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DEWATs? They have your name already. Calm the fuck down. Not circumvent, just get as close as you can but still be inside the law. If a community didn't allow premarital sex but said that soaking was ok then all the single men, not wanting to get married, would be definitely soaking as it is considered ok. Now the community is back pedaling and saying no, you can't do that, even though it was ok up to this point. LOL. I know your post is a hilarious reference to the soaking thread, and I love how you used it as a ridiculous analogy to the brace rule. Not accurate, but still absolutely fucking hilarious. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:58:42 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here I am harping on about not panicking, when I never even considered this. I feel pretty foolish. This is a big concern. You've been in the NFA game for 44 years but dont remember when the Striker 12s became reclassified as Destructive Devices? Same B.S., new century. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 7:59:30 PM EDT
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There are two distinct scenarios I can think of right off the top of my head on why braced firearms might be preferable to an sbr.
Many states allow for an uncased pistol in a vehicle, but not a rifle. Some states have hunting restrictions on rifles for game such as deer. Those states require shotguns and pistols only, no rifles. The braced pistol has its place in those situations. In a more perfect world, no infringement would exist and I could have an uncased rocket launcher in my vehicle. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:03:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like I mentioned previously, I was heavily posting in multiple forums when the first brace came out. Everyone adopted it so they didn't have to go the SBR route. New manufacturers came out with ATF-approved designs that were more stock-like, and people moved to those designs. Then there was back-and-forth with the ATF about shouldering and all kinds of jackasses wrote them letters for clarification. First statement: The NFA is Bullshit, and absolute infrinegment. Everyone knew this was coming. I can't believe people everywhere want to pretend like they have amnesia in regard to this. It was all over every forum and every youtube video about it being an SBR and NFA workaround. Everyone threw it in the governments face, and now they want to cry about their reaction. Government has endless amounts of money to fight you in court. Go ahead and talk about infringement, but it is still LAW right now. Has been since 1934. Its not new. And they are still going to lose. Because they were stupid enough to fall into one of the greatest traps in history. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:03:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't like it and want to do the gentle boomer-con historical precedent citation shit that hasn't worked in 100 years, go ahead. Maybe take some time out of your busy day simping for the feds and show us how it's done there, uncle? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That reads like a retarded 6th grade wrote it after his meth head uncle told him to. Anyway, learn how to cite precedent or other kind of case law when you are trying to argue that very subject. Otherwise you just look like some ignorant redneck. To be clear, I am not calling you an ignorant redneck, I am just saying how what you wrote would appear to some shithead congress critter. You don't like it and want to do the gentle boomer-con historical precedent citation shit that hasn't worked in 100 years, go ahead. Maybe take some time out of your busy day simping for the feds and show us how it's done there, uncle? I didn't volunteer to do so, but you did. Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:04:19 PM EDT
[#33]
Go back to DU and quit trying to stir shit up. Seriously, you know how to close out a window, so close it, just like I’m going to block your liberal, gun hating ass.
Remember, commies get the bullet too, so remember this fucking pathetic thread when your comrades turn on you and you were all for giving up your rights. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:04:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prosecution for a stencil isn't a fact? You sure are a trip. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That case isn't even over yet. Don't try to use it as fact like you did. Prosecution for a stencil isn't a fact? You sure are a trip. No its not. Do you even understand how courts work? |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:08:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Own any machineguns? If not, why? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Simple way to compile of list of those willing to happily comply with whatever rule their masters impose on them Own any machineguns? If not, why? Even if my state allowed machine gun ownership, I doubt I would have one. Too expensive to feed. Now, as an investment, possibly, but I ain't rolling in that kind of expendable cash right now. So short answer, I don't because even if I could, I'm too poor to afford it. 
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:10:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: False. I don’t know where this shit keeps coming from but from what I read in the actual document and not some internet bullshit was, if you bought a factory assembled pistol, the manufacturer’s engraving will satisfy the maker requirement. If you built your own, then you still have to engrave your name and city as the maker. Everyone is all spun up and 85% of them can’t be assed to read the fucking thing. 27. ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED, AM I REQUIRED TO MARK THE FIREARM SINCE I MANUFACTURED A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR)? If the SBR equipped with a “stabilizing brace” is registered within the 120-day tax forbearance period, the possessor is allowed to adopt the markings on the firearm. The maker’s marking exception is only applicable to firearms that are registered pursuant to the final rule. If the firearm is a personally made firearm, the possessor must mark in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92 & 479.102 prior to submitting the E-Form 1 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you e file now you don't have to engrave? False. I don’t know where this shit keeps coming from but from what I read in the actual document and not some internet bullshit was, if you bought a factory assembled pistol, the manufacturer’s engraving will satisfy the maker requirement. If you built your own, then you still have to engrave your name and city as the maker. Everyone is all spun up and 85% of them can’t be assed to read the fucking thing. 27. ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED, AM I REQUIRED TO MARK THE FIREARM SINCE I MANUFACTURED A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR)? If the SBR equipped with a “stabilizing brace” is registered within the 120-day tax forbearance period, the possessor is allowed to adopt the markings on the firearm. The maker’s marking exception is only applicable to firearms that are registered pursuant to the final rule. If the firearm is a personally made firearm, the possessor must mark in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92 & 479.102 prior to submitting the E-Form 1 Personally made = 80%, correct? |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You've been in the NFA game for 44 years but dont remember when the Striker 12s became reclassified as Destructive Devices? Same B.S., new century. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here I am harping on about not panicking, when I never even considered this. I feel pretty foolish. This is a big concern. You've been in the NFA game for 44 years but dont remember when the Striker 12s became reclassified as Destructive Devices? Same B.S., new century. I clearly remember that because I was an early adopter of Saiga 12s. When Mike Davidson announced he was making a drum people said he was going to get Saiga 12s classified as DDs. It never happened. As a matter of fact, I bought into an import of saiga 12s that came into the country as 17.5 inch barrels with a screwed on 0,0 choke. The importer gave notice that they had to weld the choke in place to meet length requirement, and I have an ATF letter that came with it that cleared the length reqirement. I got it from FBMG if any of you guys can remember that. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:15:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a fightlite SCR in pistol configuration. Good guns in both rifle and pistol config. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:16:53 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go back to DU and quit trying to stir shit up. Seriously, you know how to close out a window, so close it, just like I’m going to block your liberal, gun hating ass. Remember, commies get the bullet too, so remember this fucking pathetic thread when your comrades turn on you and you were all for giving up your rights. Gay. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:17:12 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: Braces were a way to circumvent it from the start. Free SBR stamps do not equal a new registry. Do you currently own machineguns, suppressors, DDs, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DEWATs? They have your name already. Calm the fuck down. Braced pistols have more rights than SBRs. They can cross state lines without notifying BATF. There are also states that don't allow SBRs. Take away braced pistols from guys on those places and they've actually lost something. But you know all this. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:21:57 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: Braces were a way to circumvent it from the start. Free SBR stamps do not equal a new registry. Do you currently own machineguns, suppressors, DDs, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DEWATs? They have your name already. Calm the fuck down. I would like to reply to her last sentence though. She posted "Calm the fuck down." My rebuttal is, Shut the fuck up, ma'am. I hope you have a lovely evening. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:22:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Braced pistols have more rights than SBRs. They can cross state lines without notifying BATF. There are also states that don't allow SBRs. Take away braced pistols from guys on those places and they've actually lost something. But you know all this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Braces were a way to circumvent it from the start. Free SBR stamps do not equal a new registry. Do you currently own machineguns, suppressors, DDs, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DEWATs? They have your name already. Calm the fuck down. Braced pistols have more rights than SBRs. They can cross state lines without notifying BATF. There are also states that don't allow SBRs. Take away braced pistols from guys on those places and they've actually lost something. But you know all this. Just more fodder for lawsuits, and hopefully it will help. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:23:11 PM EDT
[#43]
After reading 24 hours of this I think they act this way towards the NFA because they really dont know better.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:27:23 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, 22ers make 13ers look like Stephen Hawking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn if 22 isn't the new 13. Hell, 22ers make 13ers look like Stephen Hawking.  Attached File
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:28:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: False. I don’t know where this shit keeps coming from but from what I read in the actual document and not some internet bullshit was, if you bought a factory assembled pistol, the manufacturer’s engraving will satisfy the maker requirement. If you built your own, then you still have to engrave your name and city as the maker. Everyone is all spun up and 85% of them can’t be assed to read the fucking thing. 27. ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED, AM I REQUIRED TO MARK THE FIREARM SINCE I MANUFACTURED A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR)? If the SBR equipped with a “stabilizing brace” is registered within the 120-day tax forbearance period, the possessor is allowed to adopt the markings on the firearm. The maker’s marking exception is only applicable to firearms that are registered pursuant to the final rule. If the firearm is a personally made firearm, the possessor must mark in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92 & 479.102 prior to submitting the E-Form 1 I believe that when they say personally made firearm, they are referring to 80% or otherwise machined reciever firearms that are unmarked. I believe they used that term in their previous ruling to describe "ghost guns". |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:29:11 PM EDT
[#46]
Why are 22's even a thing? All new registrations after Jan. 21 are suspect. Much glowing.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:35:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: California did the same level of incrementalism. They will never stop. Pro-registration crowd https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/ceramic-frogs-boiling-frying-pan-stove-conceptual-image-horizontal-format-frogs-boiling-pot-stove-190291318.jpg Is that gas??? Double ban… |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:38:27 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, 22ers make 13ers look like Stephen Hawking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn if 22 isn't the new 13. Hell, 22ers make 13ers look like Stephen Hawking. 22er whose 1300 out of his 1370 posts are encouraging brace registration. But he swears he doesn’t glow and he’s on our side. From Maryland.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:38:39 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I only read the OP. I'm reasonably certain that this peckerhead has been put on blast by real Americans who value their rights. I would like to reply to her last sentence though. She posted "Calm the fuck down." My rebuttal is, Shut the fuck up, ma'am. I hope you have a lovely evening. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Braces were a way to circumvent it from the start. Free SBR stamps do not equal a new registry. Do you currently own machineguns, suppressors, DDs, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DEWATs? They have your name already. Calm the fuck down. I would like to reply to her last sentence though. She posted "Calm the fuck down." My rebuttal is, Shut the fuck up, ma'am. I hope you have a lovely evening. I see that as a personal insult, and in violation of the COC. Should I report you like most of you liitle children do when I insult your intelligence? Thats what you guys do, anyway. You called me a dickhead basically. Maybe I should use this system like you guys do. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 8:41:13 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe that when they say personally made firearm, they are referring to 80% or otherwise machined reciever firearms that are unmarked. I believe they used that term in their previous ruling to describe "ghost guns". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: False. I don’t know where this shit keeps coming from but from what I read in the actual document and not some internet bullshit was, if you bought a factory assembled pistol, the manufacturer’s engraving will satisfy the maker requirement. If you built your own, then you still have to engrave your name and city as the maker. Everyone is all spun up and 85% of them can’t be assed to read the fucking thing. 27. ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED, AM I REQUIRED TO MARK THE FIREARM SINCE I MANUFACTURED A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR)? If the SBR equipped with a “stabilizing brace” is registered within the 120-day tax forbearance period, the possessor is allowed to adopt the markings on the firearm. The maker’s marking exception is only applicable to firearms that are registered pursuant to the final rule. If the firearm is a personally made firearm, the possessor must mark in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92 & 479.102 prior to submitting the E-Form 1 I believe that when they say personally made firearm, they are referring to 80% or otherwise machined reciever firearms that are unmarked. I believe they used that term in their previous ruling to describe "ghost guns". I would say that it is something you built that you did not purchase in factory configuration that came with a brace. That would be the cautious approach. |
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