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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:10:36 PM EST
[#1]
Always such a fun exercise to see people repeat negative stuff 4th hand from the internet. In 5 pages there's one likely legit picture of an actual failure that isn't an XD, but lots of folks with pics of their own XD's with little to no complaints. Everyone has cameras at their disposal yet there seems to be an interesting lack of pics or video of XD failures that aren't from doing things the owner's manual says not to (killing your OEM striker roll pin by dry firing). I have nothing for the people that chose to offer zero other than "they suck" or other useless commentary.
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:12:20 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, especially the multiple people who shoot them regularly, have thousands of rounds through them, light modifications (similar to other guns) to be able to shoot thousands of rounds and report them to be very accurate and reliable pistols. My top shelf Block 22 Gen 3 is a nice gun, won't ever sell it but it just isn't as accurate or easy to shoot as it's 4.5" XDm .40 counterpart. How do you know a comment is correct? Count the number of people it triggers 
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:18:54 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They're trash. They're for budget minded customers (aka cheapos and poors) People who have them and claim they're good guns either don't know the difference, don't shoot much, or it's that strange gun culture phenomenon where people try to convince others their junk is just as good as top shelf options. Your screen name is fitting. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:30:28 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True story, but flip that. If people like Yeager or Suarez could have pimped the XD as the greatest thing ever, and made full aftermarket product lines, they absolutely would have. They didn't. Ask yourself why. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Experts" are a dime a dozen these days and like the old man used to say, "opinions are like assholes". I watch a lot of these videos where the bias is palpable before they even start talking and most of them have some Glock accessories they hock as a side gig, lol. The fact that tactiwhores like Suarez or Yeager don't pimp the XDs should be a selling point. The gun/training industry is no different than a herd of 15 year old girls. Its one clique or another and God help you if you go against the queen bee. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:32:58 PM EST
[#5]
My XD9 is flawless. Paid $275 for it. Great gun. Not much to say really. I want to get the XDM Elite in 10mm because 10mm is best MM..
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:35:27 PM EST
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:40:10 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you know a comment is correct? Count the number of people it triggers False narrative, what it really means is that you're a troll and being treated accordingly by those who've been baited by you. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:40:51 PM EST
[#8]
Shot with XD40 SC for years. Never had an issue. I did notice fhe barrel was a little higher on the gun than the glock, but I never had trouble getting hits
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:42:17 PM EST
[#9]
Was told about an XD slide that fell apart. Never saw it myself though.
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:43:42 PM EST
[#10]
My XD45 4” Service I bought back in 2006 or so has been a beast. I quit counting at 5K rounds although I know that’s not very many. The only issue I had was the mags got really dirty and stopped feeding. A good cleaning and they were gtg.
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:46:42 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: False narrative, what it really means is that you're a troll and being treated accordingly by those who've been baited by you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How do you know a comment is correct? Count the number of people it triggers False narrative, what it really means is that you're a troll and being treated accordingly by those who've been baited by you. Irony, thy name is Jonny1904. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:49:06 PM EST
[#12]
There are a lot better handguns out there than the XD.
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:53:35 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a lot better handguns out there than the XD. Realistically, a plastic framed, striker fired pistol from nearly any major manufacturer is going to be near identical to the rest. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:57:57 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Realistically, a plastic framed, striker fired pistol from nearly any major manufacturer is going to be near identical to the rest. Some will have more aftermarket support and common, cheap magazines. If I want a plastic gun I'll just take a basic glock. No need for XDM GRIP ZONE bs. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 6:59:33 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryThis is a good pic to show the difference. Glock has a minimal utilitarian design. Then the XD has goofy designs and big red logo. I guess they do that to get attention at gun shops. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 7:00:35 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some will have more aftermarket support and common, cheap magazines. If I want a plastic gun I'll just take a basic glock. No need for XDM GRIP ZONE bs. Grip zone is stupid. But it's a good firearm. I have glocks. They're good. They're not special. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 7:32:32 PM EST
[#17]
They’re actually pretty great pistols, but I would feel kind of dirty carrying one around.
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Posted: 9/6/2021 7:32:44 PM EST
[#18]
<———Anybody have a line on a threaded barrel for my 45 compact by chance?
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Posted: 9/6/2021 7:35:18 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I dig mine. They are a hidden gem. Great package. Back in the day the did something or other that upset someone or something. Politics man, politics. They're imported Croatian garbage. Unnecessarily high bore axis, retarded grip safety, and terrible reliability record. Ask anyone who instructs high volume pistol classes whether on not XDs are a high uptime handgun like Sigs, MPs, Glocks, etc- they'll universally laugh. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 7:37:11 PM EST
[#20]
I had one in 9mm I only shot it a few times, all flawless, but I traded it off because I was bored of it. I do have a co worker who has an older one in .40 s&w and loves it, but he had two issues with it. Once he took it camping and was carrying it on his hip while riding a dirt bike, he said he drove through some mud puddles and was splashed a few times and later that day when he went to shoot it it wouldn’t fire not matter what he did, he brought t to a gunsmith who either fixed it or sent it off to be fixed I don’t remember. Since then he was always cleaning it and keeping everything well oiled, he put some onto the firing pin and when he went to shoot it one day and it wouldn’t fire again. This time he sent it to Springfield himself and they told him to keep oil and water out from the firing pin and the channel it sits in.
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Posted: 9/6/2021 7:42:09 PM EST
[#21]
Quoted: Was told about an XD slide that fell apart. Never saw it myself though. Quoted: There are a lot better handguns out there than the XD. More helpful commentary that you should definitely consider when making a handgun purchase. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 7:46:01 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that tactiwhores like Suarez or Yeager don't pimp the XDs should be a selling point. The gun/training industry is no different than a herd of 15 year old girls. Its one clique or another and God help you if you go against the queen bee. Aaron Cowan, who is probably the most widely accepted subject matter expert on handgun usage and instruction for duty and combat, started tracking failures in all his classes. I remember when he released his first run of data several years ago, he had recorded every handgun used in all his classes. He had 25 students with XDs, and over 20 of them had a class ending failure. Compared to something like 600 students with Glocks, with two (2) total failures. That isn't shilling or hating. That's serious data from one of the most respected serious use handgun instructors in the entire world. They're garbage handguns for serious use. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 7:48:26 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: grip safety  |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 7:49:03 PM EST
[#24]
My issue with the XD and many other guns is the exorbitant cost of spare magazines, over $40 compared to a max of $24 for a Glock magazine.
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Posted: 9/6/2021 7:53:21 PM EST
[#25]
I have an XD-9 I got used off GB about 5 or 6 years ago, my first Tupperware gun. Shot thousands of lead reload's in it without any issues. I have small hands and it fits me well. Liked it so much I got an XD-S to carry about a year ago. Do want an XD-M Elite.
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Posted: 9/6/2021 8:01:49 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aaron Cowan, who is probably the most widely accepted subject matter expert on handgun usage and instruction for duty and combat, started tracking failures in all his classes. I remember when he released his first run of data several years ago, he had recorded every handgun used in all his classes. He had 25 students with XDs, and over 20 of them had a class ending failure. Compared to something like 600 students with Glocks, with two (2) total failures. That isn't shilling or hating. That's serious data from one of the most respected serious use handgun instructors in the entire world. They're garbage handguns for serious use. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The fact that tactiwhores like Suarez or Yeager don't pimp the XDs should be a selling point. The gun/training industry is no different than a herd of 15 year old girls. Its one clique or another and God help you if you go against the queen bee. Aaron Cowan, who is probably the most widely accepted subject matter expert on handgun usage and instruction for duty and combat, started tracking failures in all his classes. I remember when he released his first run of data several years ago, he had recorded every handgun used in all his classes. He had 25 students with XDs, and over 20 of them had a class ending failure. Compared to something like 600 students with Glocks, with two (2) total failures. That isn't shilling or hating. That's serious data from one of the most respected serious use handgun instructors in the entire world. They're garbage handguns for serious use. Sounds serious. I should seriously hero worship Aaron Cowan more than all the other tactiwhores because he is a serious guy involved in serious business with serious guns meant for serious use. Seriously. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 8:08:52 PM EST
[#27]
they're as good as any other plastic pistol could have features unique to them you may appreciate, or not... don't let any jagoff with a Glockknot on his forehead from catching bass tell ya different..
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Posted: 9/6/2021 9:33:56 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aaron Cowan, who is probably the most widely accepted subject matter expert on handgun usage and instruction for duty and combat, started tracking failures in all his classes. I remember when he released his first run of data several years ago, he had recorded every handgun used in all his classes. He had 25 students with XDs, and over 20 of them had a class ending failure. Compared to something like 600 students with Glocks, with two (2) total failures. That isn't shilling or hating. That's serious data from one of the most respected serious use handgun instructors in the entire world. They're garbage handguns for serious use. He is the only instructor who has seen an 80% failure rate and is too hard to believe. He sees dozens, if not hundreds of people a week and in 2+ years he saw only 25 XD family pistols. Yeah...okay. Also where is this published database he supposedly has? The quote of "tracking the last two years" first popped up on the internet in 2017. So it is seriously outdated as well. Show me updated numbers. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 9:38:27 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He is the only instructor who has seen an 80% failure rate and is too hard to believe. He sees dozens, if not hundreds of people a week and in 2+ years he saw only 25 XD family pistols. Yeah...okay. It's very believable, because no one carries the damned things, especially those who might take the time to train. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 10:32:23 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that tactiwhores like Suarez or Yeager don't pimp the XDs should be a selling point. The gun/training industry is no different than a herd of 15 year old girls. Its one clique or another and God help you if you go against the queen bee. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Experts" are a dime a dozen these days and like the old man used to say, "opinions are like assholes". I watch a lot of these videos where the bias is palpable before they even start talking and most of them have some Glock accessories they hock as a side gig, lol. The fact that tactiwhores like Suarez or Yeager don't pimp the XDs should be a selling point. The gun/training industry is no different than a herd of 15 year old girls. Its one clique or another and God help you if you go against the queen bee. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 7:21:34 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He is the only instructor who has seen an 80% failure rate and is too hard to believe. He sees dozens, if not hundreds of people a week and in 2+ years he saw only 25 XD family pistols. Yeah...okay. Also where is this published database he supposedly has? The quote of "tracking the last two years" first popped up on the internet in 2017. So it is seriously outdated as well. Show me updated numbers. I helped a local place do basic pistol / concealed carry classes for the last 2 years or so on the weekends for some extra money and free range time. I'll bet I could count on one hand how many XD family pistols were there....the ones I did see never had any problems though. Sample size of one obviously....but from what I've seen they're either not that popular in my area, or they're not that popular with people who spend time on the range in my area. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 7:25:55 AM EST
[#32]
They are fine guns. Just sucks that they used to be $300 guns. Now that Springfield's name is on them they are $600 guns.
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Posted: 9/7/2021 7:27:54 AM EST
[#33]
Same reason nobody talks about Hyundai. We know they exist, we see them on the roads but do we ever talk about them?
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Posted: 9/7/2021 7:44:12 AM EST
[#34]
Springfield gets a lot of hate around here, but I like mine. Daily carry a XD Service Model in 9mm.
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Posted: 9/7/2021 7:46:55 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He is the only instructor who has seen an 80% failure rate and is too hard to believe. He sees dozens, if not hundreds of people a week and in 2+ years he saw only 25 XD family pistols. Yeah...okay. Also where is this published database he supposedly has? The quote of "tracking the last two years" first popped up on the internet in 2017. So it is seriously outdated as well. Show me updated numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Aaron Cowan, who is probably the most widely accepted subject matter expert on handgun usage and instruction for duty and combat, started tracking failures in all his classes. I remember when he released his first run of data several years ago, he had recorded every handgun used in all his classes. He had 25 students with XDs, and over 20 of them had a class ending failure. Compared to something like 600 students with Glocks, with two (2) total failures. That isn't shilling or hating. That's serious data from one of the most respected serious use handgun instructors in the entire world. They're garbage handguns for serious use. He is the only instructor who has seen an 80% failure rate and is too hard to believe. He sees dozens, if not hundreds of people a week and in 2+ years he saw only 25 XD family pistols. Yeah...okay. Also where is this published database he supposedly has? The quote of "tracking the last two years" first popped up on the internet in 2017. So it is seriously outdated as well. Show me updated numbers. I have no axe to grind but I too am skeptical of such claims. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 7:57:29 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. There is a mainstream faction that recommends going with something that is widespread issued and proven, and there is a group that likes to be controversial by saying those guns suck and pushing something unpopular. Funny that none of them jumped on the XD train. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "Experts" are a dime a dozen these days and like the old man used to say, "opinions are like assholes". I watch a lot of these videos where the bias is palpable before they even start talking and most of them have some Glock accessories they hock as a side gig, lol. The fact that tactiwhores like Suarez or Yeager don't pimp the XDs should be a selling point. The gun/training industry is no different than a herd of 15 year old girls. Its one clique or another and God help you if you go against the queen bee. Yes really. You think that any of the tactiwhores are giving XD PSAs out of the goodness of their heart? Lucky for you they've got their own line of accessories for the widespread and proven pistols they recommend. Stop worshipping at the feet of dudes that dress exclusively in earth tones. Everyones selling you something. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:05:04 AM EST
[#37]
They're well built but heavy. Had a XD9 sub compact that I shot really really well, but hated carrying the pig so I sold it.
Picked up and XDS-9 that was slim and not too heavy, but shot my SW Shield a lot better so I sold that one too. Now have a Hellcat that is slim, light, and accurate. It replaced my Shield. ETA: I probably have ~4k rounds through those 3 Springfield's. Other than one failure to eject in the first or second mag of the XDS9, the guns went bang every single time I pulled the trigger. I keep in touch with the guy I sold the Sub Compact to and he has shot the shit out of it without a hiccup. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:14:05 AM EST
[#38]
Nothing was really wrong with them. Even before their kerfuffle in IL and GRIPZONE memes, they were competent pistols.
They just didn't stand out. They were introduced at the height of tubberware saturation. It didn't help that you were paying double for the Springfield branding on a pistol Made in Croatia selling for less. Never had a problem with my per-GRIPZONE! XDm 45 while it was in my ownership. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:15:05 AM EST
[#39]
Not a fan of the grip zone
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:15:34 AM EST
[#40]
Quoted: It's very believable, because no one carries the damned things, especially those who might take the time to train. You are making some assumptions that are largely without basis. Former tactical unit officer and detective, both state and city. I train a bit with my XD. Prior to becoming an XD owner, XD was approved for duty use at one of my agencies that issued Glocks. We had two guys that opted to carry personal XD's and I got to see them used in an LE training environment, alongside G19's. The two guys carrying them already had 18-20 years at other agencies, so these weren't poor rookies. No issues at our firing lines with the XD's. Researched the pistol before i bought and replaced the firing pin roll pin with a coiled unit just to beef up the gun where possible. Not one FTF in est. 8k rounds with MecGar and OEM mags. Quoted: They are fine guns. Just sucks that they used to be $300 guns. Now that Springfield's name is on them they are $600 guns. The XD's were sub-$400 guns all day long from places like Bud's and Academy pre-pandemic. Buds has subcompact for $389 and service for $461 in stock today. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:17:52 AM EST
[#41]
I think the only reason people buy XD's are because they are hipsters and don't want to buy a glock because everyone else has a glock.
There I said it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:19:02 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have all the features out of the box glock wishes it had from the start Like a ridiculously high bore axis, a grip safety (lol) and horrific aesthetics? Yeah, big failure. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:25:46 AM EST
[#43]
Even before the political stuff the more experienced gun people didn't like them. You would never see an instructor with one. I didn't like them myself so never cared to dig further into the subject
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:32:01 AM EST
[#44]
People say they go down a lot more than other brands in pistol courses. John from Active Self Protection did a video on this.
I don't have enough rounds on my XDM or XDS to comment. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:33:13 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the only reason people buy XD's are because they are hipsters and don't want to buy a glock because everyone else has a glock. There I said it. Gosh, thank you. That was totally my first consideration with 28 years as an armed professional, having already carried G27, G19, G22 on duty . Not a Glock bashing either, they are extremely reliable guns and a solid choice IF you shoot them well.
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:33:26 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Springfield gets a lot of hate around here, but I like mine. Daily carry a XD Service Model in 9mm. The company gets more hate (deservedly) than the guns. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 8:54:09 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People don't like them because made in Croatia and grip zone. I have an XDs 9 that I've shot and carried a lot, it's a good gun. It got replaces by a P365. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 9:00:59 AM EST
[#48]
I carried an XDMc 9 for a couple years.
At night I could pull the compact mag and put in the full size mag and have 20 rounds in the gun on the nightstand. But I never grouped well with that pistol. Might have been me, might have been the ammo, I don't know. I sold it. My full size XD .45 is another story though. Great pistol and I shoot it well. It's a tank though. |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 9:03:54 AM EST
[#49]
A buddy had one and loved it. i shot it a few times and it felt great in the hand, was accurate and reliable. We were doing some practice on quick draw and fast on target shots and we found that both of us had several times when our palms didnt activate the grip safety. Took a bit of practice to get it everytime. That killed it for me. I dont wanna be in a life or death situation and have to worry if im holding it properly to fire it.
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Posted: 9/7/2021 9:12:19 AM EST
[#50]
I own a little of everything, my xdm in 40cal is probably the most accurate out of the box pistol I own.ymmv. And yes they did some really fuck up shit politically when I lived in Illinois , basically through other companies the bus then lied about it.
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