OP glo so brite.

The whole " sporting purpose" thing. Full auto doesn't have a "sporting purpose"

Welcome, fellow gun enthusiast!

I stand corrected... carry on Special Agent OP Glowie

Seriously dude, just leave and recycle your user ID and try harder next time.

Because they are effective for some things. The gov wants a monopoly on being able to do those things in order to enhance control/power.

Whether it's guns or other equipment, the gov ALWAYS wants the citizens to have dumbed-down, less effective versions. It's all for that same reason.

I can't take you seriously when you post that.

Machine guns are overrated unless it is a MP5 or Tommy Gun.

OP your future is so bright, I got to wear shades.  

Got nothing to do with rate of fire, lethality, or anything else like that.

Its very simple, when banning things by death by 1000 cuts, you go for the easier target first. That gets case law on the books that the government has the right to regulate then you slowly but surely whittle things down.
Machine guns were just an easy target because people are stupid, watch way to much TV and was something they could win over voters easily with. Same things with back ground checks, because people who can pass a background check have nothing to fear, right?
Then you get into registrations, banning "toys" (bump stocks, braces etc), banning certain ammo types (Russia is evil, you don't *need* AP rounds) etc. etc.

and then of course you need the right timing. Right (party) by the name of the person doing the banning will get a lot of people coming around. Look at all the mental gymnastics people do here whenever the right (R) suggests more gun control. But it has to be the right person at the right time.


this isn't limited to the 2A. The model has been used very effectively on the 1st and the 4th as well.

Truth be told, I think it is incidental.

I will grant that after the Bonus Army the .gov may have had a little bit of worry in their mind about what if those guys had meant real business and armed themselves with the various arms they brought back from WWI.

But I think the simpler answer is that the have such a hard on for machineguns because they have been the most successfully vilified guns.  They had an oppurtunity in the 30's to ban them based on the fear mongering they were able to perpetuate with the result of their own prohibition laws. Dont forget that the NFA of 34 was meant to ban handguns too.

Since then, "everyone knows machineguns are illegal". Media helped reinforce that trope.

Now, they hold on to that because they have been the most successful at defending it. There is a reason the Hearing Protection Act was able to get anywhere close to reality.  Silencers got the same treatment ("they're illegal") but not to the same extent as machineguns.

And now that is a hill that the ATF and whomever else is going to use to see how much more they can control.

Thus: I think MGs were just the low hanging fruit they could vilify the best and now they will not let go of that control.

They hate to see us having fun.

Back at ya.

Calling Norcal.

Imagine if you will, being a cop on a lone stretch of highway when you notice someone exceeding the posted speed limit and swirving in and out of the lanes, so you initiate. a stop

Nkw at this point in the story you may be asking yourself what’s so uppity about this whole thing anyways? Sounds like something that happens every day across America.

Well in this America the National Firearms Act was never passed.
Bubba jean runs the plates and the vehicle comes back clean, before exiting his vehicle he packs a big cope under his lip and grabs his night stick, as Bubba walks over, he slides it into his belt bedore pulling up his pants by the belt loops as he struts over.
After traveling about 6 feet from his car the OTHER cars door opens.
Bubba stops and holds out his hand,

“Now you close that door and remain inside, Boy!”  He says, but thats not what happened on that day in 2021 America.

The first thing bubba notices is pure white aand amazingly clean sneakers slip out of the vehicle, followed by what could only be categorized as a giant chia pet under a bug hat with a massive feather in it.
He was a tall gangly black man, a cigar in his mouth, a big pimp hat with a long white feather hanging out the back of it, his shirt and pants appeared to be a dark red colored spandex. It was hard to notice the barrel of his tommy gun swinging out from behind his leg while taking in this mans ridiculous costume, but he saw it, and as Bubba turned and dove back to his car, one hand on his cowboy hat and the other holding uo his pants, his mouth hanging alightly open with that big pile of chew tucked in his lip he made it behind his door, drawing his revolver as the black man pulled and held down the trigger.
What followed was a torrent of bullets impacting everything from the dirt to the windshield, broken glass was everywhere, all Bubba could hear was bullets impacting everywhere, he felt a pain in his side and windered if he’d been hit.
Bubba knows he will probably advance holding down the trigger in that tommy gun, so he jumps up with light ing speed and fires a single shot into the head of the Pimp with his old service recolver.

Just goes to show how coppers dont need anything other than a revolver, because they know how to shoot.
I think we all want to live in an America that is that free.

I read a lot of comments saying semi is usually preferable to full...I hope that's true, because one side has FA and one side largely does not. Sounds like the kind of thing we say to make ourselves feel better about oppression.

Sigh...to be rich, eh?

Penis envy - full auto firearms were the first firearms to have a "compensator"; i.e., a phallically symbolic overall appearance which became inexorably linked to all full auto firearms through psycho-sexual transference.

Disclaimer:  I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist, but I did take four psychology courses in college.

Low hanging fruit.

They want them all, MGs are just a logical place to start.

The secret ingredient is crime.

I find that to be largely BS.  Otherwise militaries wouldn't use full auto weapons.  Yes an assault rifle set on semi is more controllable and accurate than a full auto one fired by someone with no training that just sprays and prays.

A belt fed machine gun is much more more deadly and effective than a semi belt fed clone.

Fully semi automatic.

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Greetings and salutations, fellow firearms enthusiast.

You guys sure love to point the finger and post glow picture memes, perhaps that is a common textbook tactic to insulate yourselves from being found out what your accusing me of being.

Yeah.... I've noticed that some people seem to be turning the NFA into sour grapes. It isn't enough for full-auto to have limited roles where it is useful, it has to be completely useless in all possible scenarios.

It is what the dims do...
Its always about 2 things power and money, they gained both by banning machine guns.
That's all I got...

I've been here for 21 years, have served as a moderator, met many of these fine men and women in person, purchased a lifetime membership to help maintain the economic viability of the site... do you really think I give a shit whether YOU can take me seriously?

There was a study I read that most politicians are actually psychopaths who crave having ultimate power so that makes sense.

Teach you that at Quantico?

It's much harder to oppress a population if they have roughly the same level of armaments as the wannabe oppressors. History is littered with numerous examples proving this point. Gun control has always been about keeping the deck stacked in favor of a particular group.

I've got the weirdest boner right now.

Is he suppressing coppers ... Or cows???

It all comes down to Mao Zedong's famous aporism:



Effectively, without guns; the political elite aren't actually really threatened by the proletariat masses.

Yes, I know that random LOW LEVEL politicians can still be killed with edged or blunt weapons, such as MP Sir David Amess in the UK recently.

But any halfway competent security detail can derail such attempts.

The reason they want to restrict firearms is that firearms make a security detail's job massively harder, and in order to counter them effectively, you have to go to absurd levels.

Much death. Many bullets.

These are what you posted to me, anyone who is on this forum who gets responses like that from you or anyone wont take you seriously or as credible either as it is completely ridiculous and baseless horseshit meant to incite a negative response.
You could be on this forum for 50 years that still doesn't make up for the fact what you posted to me is complete nonsense.

And a machine gun is a tyrants worst nightmare.

Simple really. Back in the hey day of gangsters machine guns were pretty popular among shitbags like Al Capone. The government then much like today for what ever reasons refused to address the real problem. They had to do something to make the average simple minded American think they were doing something to solve the problem. So they just took their normal position and found something to make illegal. Back then just like today, the only people affected by it are law abiding sheep.

perfectly stated.  They didn't get rid of machine guns, only made them illegal.  Who's the only person that cares about what's legal and what's illegal? - the person intent on not breaking the law.


*eta: I'm way oversimplifying the actual law to illustrate a point, don't quote the text of GCA and NFA for me

The whole notion that semi auto fire is actually better than automatic fire is bullshit. It’s just safer for the people around you. They don’t have automatic weapons as a centerpiece of small unit tactics for nothing.

Good explanation

Subguns and belt-feds are game changers.

DID OP ANSWER THIS ??? I DON'T SEE IT

Guns are icky..


Machine guns are scary!


...but flame throwers?  Those make me feel funny down "there"!

Machine guns aren't magical objects that kill umpty people. What they are are force multipliers.

Consider the St Valentine's day massacre.

You had seven hoodlums in a street gang; known toughs, all detained by four men dressed as police officers.

The use of machine guns allowed the killers to split up with two of the four acting as lookouts, leaving just two shooters.

If they had done a traditional gangland execution with pistols, the odds would have been 7 against 2, making it very dangerous for the shooters; and some victims would have escaped.

As it is, with a 20 round box magazine and 50 round drum on the Thompsons, all of the targets got shot in seconds; with the only survivor -- Frank Gusenberg taking 14 bullet wounds.

Additionally, look at the ambush of Bonnie and Clyde, where the police used the first really reliable semi auto rifle with high capacity magazines - the Remington Model 8 modified to take special police only 20 round box magazines -- they basically emptied both Model 8's into the oncoming car, then emptied shotguns and then pistols before moving in on Bonnie and Clyde.

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I’ll leave it to a jury of my peers… which you are not.

Cuz the fucker didn't dress himself.