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Wow. My IQ just dropped a good 10 to 12 points by reading that article. Star chamber? Who still talks like that? Bent gas tube? I have literally never heard of an AR going down because of a bent gas tube. And if it does (it won't) it's a 9 dollar part, that can be repaired with garage tools and a receiver block. View Quote My other favorite part was this: That’s why in 2019 you can’t find a new AR-15 with an old school front sight assembly This person apparently does not know how the internet works, nor do they know about the advantages of free float handguards. Apparently the trend for free float handguards was just a way to remove the front sight base. Who knew? |
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No such thing as a Robertson XCR. Op and article both fail hard.
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For the price of an AK, I can get an AR and enough parts to rebuild it a few times. If he wants something he can use in SHTF that will keep going no matter what, get a Garand. Funny, he didn't mention that one...
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Some of those points are Like simplicity. The AR is not a complex system at all. If it was, every monkey and his brother wouldn't be building/repairing them.
For example, yeah, the star chamber is difficult to clean. So what? I've never seen a failure related to a dirty star chamber. I know guys who have used AR15s/M16s in actual combat and fired thousands of rounds. When I first got one, I would wring my hands over some of the same issues that this numbskull brought up. They told me that I had nothing to worry about. I believe them. |
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Is it possible that the author, as a 28 year green beret, saw the worst of the system in the worst of times and forged his opinion on anecdotal evidence? Or is the author a shill for a competing firearm?
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Are you sure? I have a bin full of spare parts, as I presume many here do. I'm pretty sure I can easily find spare AR parts if needed, even if it means cannibalizing another rifle. If it's a true TEOTWAWKI scenario, do you really think all of these spare parts would magically disappear? Do you really think you won't ever find another AR to scavenge from? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just curious, but how many spare parts do you think you will find laying around for that Tavor or SCAR? If it's a true TEOTWAWKI scenario, do you really think all of these spare parts would magically disappear? Do you really think you won't ever find another AR to scavenge from? |
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Please clean up your link @M923GreenMachine by remove the Facebook click ID analytic tracker, this part: ?fbclid=IwAR2QJhv47QmcWZ50tBdPfsaST8cJfBdbnMDprf46KqLdZVVoHbWabSst__U
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Translation: Hey guys look at me!!!! I'm going to say something controversial to get views even if I have to stretch to make points.
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I’m not even gonna give that article a click The AR 15 is a phenomenal platform Your house isn’t Nam Get PSA uppers and lowers and spend your money on a BCG, Optic and a Light. Save money, Save your life, save a horse ride a cowboy View Quote Attached File |
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fuck readyman. the AR is the most popular rifle platform in the country. In a SHTF scenario there would be plenty of "parts", mags and ammo left laying around or available. shit, I have enough spare parts right now in boxes to probably make 3 more rifles if I had room in my safe with all the others.
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Is it possible that the author, as a 28 year green beret, saw the worst of the system in the worst of times and forged his opinion on anecdotal evidence? Or is the author a shill for a competing firearm? View Quote What he points out is insanity, not seeing the worst of a system. "Flowers don’t belong in assault rifles. Some say the star chamber provides accuracy. It does not. Bolt-action sniper rifles don’t have star chambers." He doesn't list a bad military/ overseas/ personal experience happening with ARs. (Only people showing up at his range with ammo/guns of unlisted quality) They are just bad because they have flowers. |
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Absolute bullshit. The ar15 is the most alpha gun there is. It can be made so light weight a 4 year old can hold it. There is simply no other rifle out that has so many different parts and ways to customize. I think idiots just make articles like these to get clicks kind of like someone acting like they're mentally I'll on YouTube to get clicks.
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I take torture tests with a grain of salt.
That being said, you can always find a metric to make your preference more palatable and the alternative less acceptable... AR vs AK Dust Test |
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Read the article. It's nonsense.
Mechanically speaking, like every physical tool in the world it has strong points and a few weak points. But the weak points are not that significant and the platform is robust overall. Our military shoots the hell out of these things and they don't have a high rate of breakages. We have AR owners here that shoot thousands and thousands of rounds through their rifle with no issue. Whatever minor weaknesses the AR might have, you have to keep in mind that any other platform is also going to have it's weak points as well. Also, the cost/performance ratio of the weapon is excellent and spare parts are ubiquitous and cheap. If you're worried about breakages, stock some extra parts or at the price points of these guns, buy an extra weapon or two. Incidentally, in a real SHTF situation if you find yourself firing thousands and thousands of rounds through your weapon such that it breaks ..... you're doing it wrong. |
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Never mind . Complete reading comprehension fail on my part.
Read this without enough caffeine and exercise this morning. |
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BS, the AR-15 is much easier to work on and repair, especially in a SHTF moment. That alone makes it better.
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Wait. I've been doing it wrong all these years? Damn, now I've got to unload everything and start again.
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Everyone needs something to worry about apparently......when S really HTF.....nobody is going to care what they have, as long as they have something.
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Just curious, but how many spare parts do you think you will find laying around for that Tavor or SCAR? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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https://www.readyman.com/blogs/black-autumn/why-the-ar-15-sucks-for-preppers?fbclid=IwAR2QJhv47QmcWZ50tBdPfsaST8cJfBdbnMDprf46KqLdZVVoHbWabSst__U What do you think of this statement by the above author? I think some of it is true. I myself thought the AR15 was the best all around weapon. But, after owning and shooting other weapons I’m not sure it is as good as I thought. I have DI and GP AR15s. But I’m rethinking my go to weapon as I experience other weapons like the Tavor, Robertson XCR, Scar, B&T APC.... What other weapons of its class have you experienced that you think are better than the AR15? PS it sure how to make the link above hot |
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Excerpts from the article In the military we are taught that the AR-15 is a fine weapon "as long as you maintain it." In truth, the design works (80% of the time) in spite of itself, and has gone through so many design iterations that people have lost count. The history of the AR-15 is a history of band-aids The front sight assembly sits ridiculously high because the straight (non-ergonomic) stock has to contain a massive spring and buffer assembly. If the weight or spring compression in that assembly is off just a small amount, it causes malfunction. This design flaw, right out of the gate, causes a huge mechanical offset where the eye lines up around three inches higher than the barrel. That's why in 2019 you can't find a new AR-15 with an old school front sight assembly The gas tube is thin, fragile and subject to bending or breakingusually taking the rifle out of commission. ??????? The star chamber and bolt face are perhaps the single biggest design flaw of the AR-15. That's the eight-petaled flower at the front of the bolt. Flowers don't belong in assault rifles. Some say the star chamber provides accuracy. It does not. Bolt-action sniper rifles don't have star chambers. They have two or three lug bolts and they are the gold standard for accuracy. There is no delay in the bolt moving during the extraction phase and this causes tremendous mechanical resistance. When the bolt carrier begins to move, it tries immediately to turn the bolt without first gaining momentum. If the bolt is stuck to the inside of the chamber due to fouling (or crap ammo like in Vietnam) then there is often not enough energy to knock the bolt back into rotation. There's no "running start" to dislodge the bullet before turning the bolt. Almost all battle rifles, like the M14, M1 and AK use a delayed rotating bolt. The mass of the bolt carrier, once in motion, wants to stay in motion and hits the bolt like a hammer, knocking it into rotation and into extraction. Not so for the AR-15. The extractor, due to its design has issues because it is similar to a teeter-totter that is out of balance. This causes the extractor to want to slip off the rim of the casing causing failure to extract malfunctions. This is particularly evident when the chamber gets fouled from use in combat conditions. Almost all infantry soldiers carry cleaning rods to clear this brutal malfunction so they can knock a spent casing out of the chamber and get back in the fight. View Quote |
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Isn't this the same guy that shills for/sells RATS tourniquets?
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Never mind . Complete reading comprehension fail on my part. Read this without enough caffeine and exercise this morning. View Quote ETA: this was in response to the question about how someone could end up in SF with no other experience in the army... |
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Does the author sign his name to that article? I didn't see it but maybe I missed it.
It's just that I've met more fake green berets on the internet than I've met actual green berets. Whenever someone argues from authority - believe what I'm telling you because I'm a 28 year green beret, my antenna goes up a notch. |
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So far I like better than my ARs
TavorX95 & Aug XCR B&T Para FAL Soon scar16 Also have a Russian AK but it’s not my favorite |
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Quoted: For a while there was a program where you could be punched straight through from Basic training to the Q-course (etc.) and end up as SF. Generally not regarded as a successful program. ETA: this was in response to the question about how someone could end up in SF with no other experience in the army... View Quote |
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Anyone who thinks the AR is too complex is a moron. While USGI mags can suffer bent feed lips if dropped while loaded, pmags don't have this problem, are almost as cheap as USGI, and I assume preppers will have at least 100 of them loaded in ammo cans. The AR15 does shit where it eats, but with lubrication and decent ammo this isn't a problem, and the lack of a traditional piston is arguably the source of the extreme accuracy they're capable of. My only complaint with the AR15 is the inability to attach a folding stock, which is such a minor issue that I don't really care.
Article reads like it was written by someone who spent too much time with bitter Vietnam vets. |
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I'm confused on the part about a wobbly bolt carrier that doesn't ride on rails. Maybe I'm missing something. But the gas key runs in a groove and the upper is a tube. So just how does the bolt carrier wobble?
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Why would you use a firearm in a SHTF situation that would be hard as hell to scrounge basic replacement parts for including magazines? The AR is probably the easiest rifle you'll ever find to scrounge parts for if you prepped and the SHTF plus the cheapest to stockpile a few parts for. |
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A blowgun, corndog, and a state fair survival knife is all I need.
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This guy wasn't kidding when he says he hates the AR. Literally everything about it is a design flaw to him.
He should design his own rifles, since he knows how to avoid such design flaws. |
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I read it. Full of inaccurate or not clearly stated statements.
Since when does any rifle extract/eject a "bullet" after firing? How do gas tubes get bent/damaged regularly? When did a pinky become the test for whether or not it's clean? And damn, I don't have big fingers but there is no way my pinky will fit into a .223/5.56X45 chamber. NO way. I just bought two barrels with "traditional" front sights/gas blocks on them. I could have bought more, but I only needed two, right now. Mismatched spring/buffers? I guess I'm just lucky. I've cut down a rifle buffer spring to install in a carbine because I wanted to shoot the darn thing today, not a few days from now when the new carbine spring comes in the mail. The carbine didn't know the difference. I've run carbine buffer tube, springs, buffers on 24" bull barrel rifles and they worked just fine. I've swapped standard carbine buffers for H2 buffers and the carbines didn't know the difference. I've cut down an AR15 rifle buffer to shorten it so I could use it in an A1 stock on a DPMS GII and that one works great, too. Not saying you can't cause yourself a problem, just saying my AR15's don't seem to care. How do you get mud in the gas tube? Bullet "casing" bulging during firing? What the hell has he been doing to his carbine/rifle's chambers to have bulges in them? I've got M1As and M1 Garands and not of them even have bolt carriers. What type of M14/M1 Garand is this guy familiar with? That ad for "the ready men", why the hell would they walk right down the top of a ridge exposing themselves and their families to fire from close or hundreds of yards away? Ready for what? |
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I am not reading that. Was it written by a navy seal who works the gun counter at Dicks ?
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Why would you use a firearm in a SHTF situation that would be hard as hell to scrounge basic replacement parts for including magazines? The AR is probably the easiest rifle you'll ever find to scrounge parts for if you prepped and the SHTF plus the cheapest to stockpile a few parts for. View Quote None of mine hold nearly that many & I am weak. |
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If I'm not engaged in combat there are many good choices.
5.56 is not particularly stealthy when fired. And waaaaaaay too powerful for small edibles. But an AR with a drop in 22 conversion kit in your bag would be a viable combo. |
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What other weapons of its class have you experienced that you think are better than the AR15? the guys at Little Creek seem to think the Mini14 is preferable. View Quote |
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I’d rather have a rifle that won’t break down as often to need parts. And if it’s that bad and hard to find parts for a Tavor or scar then there will be plenty of guns laying around to pick up View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why would you use a firearm in a SHTF situation that would be hard as hell to scrounge basic replacement parts for including magazines? The AR is probably the easiest rifle you'll ever find to scrounge parts for if you prepped and the SHTF plus the cheapest to stockpile a few parts for. |
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Even if you accept his argument, it still doesn’t support the idea that the AR-15 platform isn’t good for preppers.
Assume the sights aren’t optimal- compared to what? The gas tube (OR piston) aren’t good- compared to what? The star chamber- compared to what? The bolt lugs- compared to what? There’s no plasma rifle in the 40 watt range here. Dude hasn’t offered any standard of a “good” rifle, and we live in a real world with real logistics and real mechanical limitations. ...OTOH, the author convinced me: ARs suck. That’s why I use the A280 blaster rifle like a good Rebel Soldier. Attached File |
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