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LOL! Yeah, I'm sure going to take the advice of the RATS tourniquet assholes
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Excerpts from the article In the military we are taught that the AR-15 is a fine weapon “as long as you maintain it.” In truth, the design works (80% of the time) in spite of itself, and has gone through so many design iterations that people have lost count. The history of the AR-15 is a history of band-aids The front sight assembly sits ridiculously high because the straight (non-ergonomic) stock has to contain a massive spring and buffer assembly. If the weight or spring compression in that assembly is off just a small amount, it causes malfunction. This design flaw, right out of the gate, causes a huge mechanical offset where the eye lines up around three inches higher than the barrel. That’s why in 2019 you can’t find a new AR-15 with an old school front sight assembly The gas tube is thin, fragile and subject to bending or breaking—usually taking the rifle out of commission. ??????? The star chamber and bolt face are perhaps the single biggest design flaw of the AR-15. That’s the eight-petaled flower at the front of the bolt. Flowers don’t belong in assault rifles. Some say the star chamber provides accuracy. It does not. Bolt-action sniper rifles don’t have star chambers. They have two or three lug bolts and they are the gold standard for accuracy. There is no delay in the bolt moving during the extraction phase and this causes tremendous mechanical resistance. When the bolt carrier begins to move, it tries immediately to turn the bolt without first gaining momentum. If the bolt is stuck to the inside of the chamber due to fouling (or crap ammo like in Vietnam) then there is often not enough energy to knock the bolt back into rotation. There’s no “running start” to dislodge the bullet before turning the bolt. Almost all battle rifles, like the M14, M1 and AK use a delayed rotating bolt. The mass of the bolt carrier, once in motion, wants to stay in motion and hits the bolt like a hammer, knocking it into rotation and into extraction. Not so for the AR-15. The extractor, due to its design has issues because it is similar to a teeter-totter that is out of balance. This causes the extractor to want to slip off the rim of the casing causing failure to extract malfunctions. This is particularly evident when the chamber gets fouled from use in combat conditions. Almost all infantry soldiers carry cleaning rods to clear this brutal malfunction so they can knock a spent casing out of the chamber and get back in the fight. View Quote |
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If the guy didn't tell us that he's a 28 year green beret I would have guessed 28 year old neck beard from the way that article is written.
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I feel like I'm back in 2007. Has anyone posted the HK OTB test video and an article on Dragon Skin yet? View Quote Attached File |
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look at this gem of a comment. Good thing this guy is here to set us straight. Standard is 4moa... bullshit. It should be sub 1 moa with rifles that are beat to fuck by joe snuffy but still work somehow.
AR fanboys are just people who have never had to maintain and fire a weapon in shitty conditions. Our friends the Kurdish YPG/YPJ hardly have any cleaning gear. Most don’t have it and run a diesel soaked piece of cloth through the bore with no understanding of the effect on accuracy. The elements in Syria make AKs and PKMs fail, so without constant maintenance an AR doesn’t stand a chance. Most people involved in this discussion and weighing in (myself included) have never experienced anything close to Viet Nam or what those jungles do to a weapon. Let’s be real most of you are just talking out of your ass and defending your purchases. The only thing that really sucks about AKs is the stock sights. Most veterans who think AKs suck are the guys who have seen all the outdated shit that’s been buried or otherwise hidden in caches until it was needed. The more modern stuff with optic rails riveted in make for a much better weapon when you add a sight that was designed for the weapon. Now I do have one argument for the author about the height of sights on modern assault rifles. There’s reason for this and if you think about having to drop into the prone and take a shot with sights mounted super low to the bore axis, it would be shitty difficult with body armor and helmet. It helps in all kinds of offhand positions. Most AK or SVD mounted optics are not going to allow for a good cheek weld. Most combat situations don’t allow for a whole lot of fundamentals of rifle marksmanship to be applied. Do consider that. The greater an angle at which the sight and bore axis intersect, the more easily a practical battle zero can be acheived (36 meters and 300 or 400 meters AK74 BZO for example) As a Marine armorer I witnessed 3 brand new FN M16A4’s shear off bolt lugs just from firing blanks and if I recall correctly all 3 of these happened in the first 3 months of the rifles showing up. The whole system just flat out sucks and if you don’t think so you’re fooling yourself. Now a semi auto .243 cobbled together from surplus RPK47 parts at the Molot Oruzhie Zavod, there’s a real weapon you can rely on. It gets the ammo in an out of the weapon as well as the projectile down range with intent and purpose, is no longer than an M16A4, and shoots sub MOA with an outdated 4X PSO copy from Belarus. For those of you who don’t know what you’re talking about, the standard of accuracy for the M16 series of rifles in every branch of the service is 4 MOA before the rifle needs to be overhauled. Our department of defense has shitty standards for the people who need to rely on these weapons and they’re long overdue for replacement with an AK74 or 100 series AK, but most Americans are too retarded to build an AK properly. Any idiot can build an AR, or mess up an AR build but the average person doesn’t know the first thing about building an AK. They just know they’ve been told by ignorand and biased folks that it’s a “shitty commie gun” and will just keep squawking that old bullshit like a parrot until they either die or have a serious enough AR malfunction to see for themselves. The first AK I was issued in Syria was a 1958 type 3 from Kazanlak Bulgaria and that beat up old workhorse still held a 3 inch group at 100 meters with Irons and ran cyclic 800rpm (no hammer retarder) no problem. Mind you that’s one of the first Bulgarian AKs with both proof stamps from Izhevsk wokers who were supervising and the actual circle 10 Kazanlak stamp from the workers there. That AK might have rusty brown grooves running the entire length on the left side of every land of rifling, but whoever has that rifle now can probably still depend on it unless it got blown to bits. An M4 wouldn’t put up with 1/10th of the shit that poor AK has seen and if you think otherwise have fun being retarded. Here's another one.. 50% stoppage rate. ROFL What kind of fucking idiots shoot at his range, and with what kind of bullshit?? My personal anecdotal experience is that when preppers (not combat vets) shoot on my range and other ranges, they experience around a 50% stoppage rate. That’s anecdotal. |
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That's my thinking as well. And, if the SHTF, and I'm forced to use one of my ARs, chances fairly decent that the other person has an AR. I'm taking it and all mags/ammo. Now I have more spare parts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just curious, but how many spare parts do you think you will find laying around for that Tavor or SCAR? If it's a true TEOTWAWKI scenario, do you really think all of these spare parts would magically disappear? Do you really think you won't ever find another AR to scavenge from? |
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Tales from a 1980s gunstore counter! View Quote I’m no operater, but I shoot regularly with a hundred or more government weapons on the line. Some are brand new M4’s and ancient A4’s with everything in between. These are combat matches/training where the weapons get hot and dirty. VERY few stoppages occur and almost no breakages. The worst I’ve seen is a weapon going burst on semi. Most all stoppages I’ve seen are corrected by the application of CLP or a different magazine. IMHO the Green Beret is full of shit. |
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Tales from a 1980s gunstore counter! View Quote Needs his own theme song The Doobie Brothers - What A Fool Believes (Official Music Video) |
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All you need for shtf is an HK91, some face paint, and a first aid kit. |
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Well OP, while I certainly like other rifles better than the AR, there are a ton of people here who fervently believe the AR is absolutely perfect. They will be along shortly to say so... ETA: I wonder about the “spare parts” argument. In 10’s of thousands of rounds, I’m trying to think of a single time I needed to replace a part that actually broke. Battlefield Vegas has a schedule for AR parts replacement, but it starts at something like 5,000 rounds, which is a lifetime in SHTF. Parts for most rifles can be pretty inexpensive, so you can have a small stock of parts before SHTF. And no, I’m not wasting any time on the article. View Quote |
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I lost it at his first argument. The whole idea of the high iron sights is to be able to keep the barrel in line with the stock, this makes the rifle much more controllabe while shooting. It has absolutely nothing to do with the buffer tube. That you don't find this anymore on modern AR-15's is just because everyone wants a scope/optic nowadays. When you start an article with 'special forces blabla' and then continue with this high iron sights story, you completely lose my interest. View Quote |
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Why would you use a firearm in a SHTF situation that would be hard as hell to scrounge basic replacement parts for including magazines? The AR is probably the easiest rifle you'll ever find to scrounge parts for if you prepped and the SHTF plus the cheapest to stockpile a few parts for. View Quote |
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Well OP, while I certainly like other rifles better than the AR, there are a ton of people here who fervently believe the AR is absolutely perfect. They will be along shortly to say so... ETA: I wonder about the "spare parts" argument. In 10's of thousands of rounds, I'm trying to think of a single time I needed to replace a part that actually broke. Battlefield Vegas has a schedule for AR parts replacement, but it starts at something like 5,000 rounds, which is a lifetime in SHTF. Parts for most rifles can be pretty inexpensive, so you can have a small stock of parts before SHTF. And no, I'm not wasting any time on the article. View Quote |
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My AR15 is so fucking boringly accurate and reliable that I dont even have that much fun shooting it anymore |
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Well dang. I guess it's back to the Mosin for me.
25% failure rate??????????? Bullshit. I've attended a lot of classes over the years. Every now and then a gun goes down for some reason but not at a 25% rate. |
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Once again someone uses military experience to build cred while spouting absolute nonsense about guns. I really hate this. I have a friend at work who served in Gulf War 1 and 2, and he is super cool in all other respects, and I absolutely admire him and respect his service- But he knows fuckall about guns and still does the old ".45 will blow limbs off" routine...
Why does this happen? Author of this article also says that the "M4 is the same as an AR15" which gun grabbers will love I am sure. Bummer. |
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The author tried to invoke a level of expertise, but the more you read, the more it is apparent that he doesn’t know anything about AR15’s or firearms for that matter. It was like sitting in a gun store while the “Vietnam Vet” in the corner spews his tripe about how awful the M16 was. The only thing lacking was that they are produced by Mattel.
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Learn how to use it - extensively. That is what Basic and AIT for Infantry is for. When you sleep, eat, and PT with one, then you are experienced and prepared.
Not Fudd rifle slingers who casually walk to a deer stand once a year. No sling, loaded, one in the chamber, safety as you see fit, carried at the low ready, expecting to see a shot at any time. Movie stars are not a reliable indicator of how to use one. Head to head? M16 has the body count over all others in modern history. There are reasons for that inherent in the design, like, a last round bolt hold open so you don't have to insert a mag, retract the bolt, watch the mag fall out . . . use the correct method Stoner designed into the rifle and your reloading malfunctions decrease. Drop mag, insert new, slap bolt hold open, round chambers you are ready to fire. No fuss no muss. Only 1 in 100 is now military trained and experienced in handling the M16, which means 99 people who might have an opinion on them are not DOD qualified to comment. Take what the average Bubba says about guns - regardless of how many his credit card can carry - and reflect on which battlefield rifle has piled up the most bodies. That is your choice. Accepting a lesser one is your fail. |
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Almost any issue on an AR can be fixed by everyday household tools and a $50 parts kit.
They are cheap and parts are plentiful, they are accurate and reliable. They are the perfect "prepper" rifle. |
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fuck readyman. the AR is the most popular rifle platform in the country. In a SHTF scenario there would be plenty of "parts", mags and ammo left laying around or available. shit, I have enough spare parts right now in boxes to probably make 3 more rifles if I had room in my safe with all the others. View Quote |
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Spare parts. The AR’s can be easily found, anything else, not so much.
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So... your a green beret. Um.
Helllllooo fuck face. Yup every exmil dude thats a prepper. Thinks that puts them at expert status to give prepping advice...lol. Ive met my fair share of ex mil condor clad wise food promoting thumb shooting experts who couldn't figure out how to do basic field craft or wipe thier ass with out a copy of FM 87-4594570 " selective wiping techniques for basic infantry " stapled to the shitter door. Im an AK guy. But own an AR.... Every platform has problems.. Now..go visit my blog for a free bug out bag list |
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I'd rather have an AR than any of the others you listed.
IF SHTF, parts availability would become an issue sooner or later as well. |
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SOME SAY THE STAR CHAMBER PROVIDES ACCURACY! IT DOES NOT!
EXTRACTOR UNABLE TO EXTRACT LIKE UNBALANCED PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT! SHIT ON WHERE I EAT! GAS TUBE BARELY TUBES GAS! HARDLY EVER! PREPPERS CANT HANDLE THIS COMPLEXITY! GOOD POST OP. NOT RETARDED. |
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My AR15 is so fucking boringly accurate and reliable that I dont even have that much fun shooting it anymore I believe there should be an AR in every household. (That doesn't contain a "leftist.") |
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Ease of finding replacement parts, cost, availability of ammo.
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No one is going to find anything laying around. This isn't a video game. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just curious, but how many spare parts do you think you will find laying around for that Tavor or SCAR? I could find spare parts to build 15 rifles just in my neighborhood. |
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AR, all day, every day if SHTF
Suppressed, 10.5"ish barrel, and my LPVO, lights and lasers and I'm good to go. If I'm on my own I'd cache the other ones around. |
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This is an example of why you shouldn't listen to someone just because they were in the military.
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Bullshit. I could find spare parts to build 15 rifles just in my neighborhood. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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