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Posted: 10/3/2022 8:40:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not saying they're exactly apples to apples, but Taurus had no problem retailing G2s and G3s around the $200 price point, and lots of choices from S&W, Stoeger, etc. aren't that much more expensive. I'd question just how much they're losing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just under $200 per pistol. Our Safariland holster system costs more than the gun. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 8:48:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sink your trigger finger deeper. Might help. That’s what she said… 
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Posted: 10/3/2022 8:50:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've fired two quals on the M17, expert both times. I mean, it's a pistol. I didn't have any particular love nor hate for the M9, I have no particular love nor hate for the M17. I point at targets, pull trigger, the target tends to go down. What more would you like a pistol to do? It's a backup weapon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm still meh on our m18s. I'm qualifying again tomorrow morning. Maybe I'll warm up to them eventually? I've fired two quals on the M17, expert both times. I mean, it's a pistol. I didn't have any particular love nor hate for the M9, I have no particular love nor hate for the M17. I point at targets, pull trigger, the target tends to go down. What more would you like a pistol to do? It's a backup weapon.  But I've been shooting some variant of the 92 on duty for the past 25 years military and civilian. It's grown on me. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 8:52:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Combat hold. People new to Sigs always shoot low. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm still meh on our m18s. I'm qualifying again tomorrow morning. Maybe I'll warm up to them eventually? Combat hold. People new to Sigs always shoot low. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 8:55:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still meh on our m18s. I'm qualifying again tomorrow morning. Maybe I'll warm up to them eventually? I was the same way when we switched from glocks to M18s, its just a different feel all around. Now I much prefer the M18.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 8:58:13 PM EDT
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I'd like to get one but I already have a P365X and it's perfect for my needs.
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Posted: 10/3/2022 8:58:47 PM EDT
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I dig it.
Haters gonna hate. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:00:08 PM EDT
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Very nice!
US Army issued me an M9 decades ago, got one for myself years later. It's still good enough for me. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:00:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope that we get a flood of surplus Hipower pistols here in the states. Buddy who served 6 years in the Australian Army said the old Hi Powers are so worn out they practically shoot sideways. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:01:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But when you drop a gun in australia it falls up instead of hitting the floor which dramatically reduces NDs Also fires backward……. Damned Coriolis Effect |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:04:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least Australia is closer to India for spare parts. 
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:05:37 PM EDT
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 Attached File Attached FileOOB fire on an m17 using normal ammo. yeah sure Sig fixed it and sent it back in 3 days....but using normal ammo and it fires out of battery. FUCK THAT NOISE. Fuck all of SIG...except their 220 and mk25 series...and 210...and their 550 series..those work fine. rest of SIG usa is suspect.. never again. 
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:08:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was the same way when we switched from glocks to M18s, its just a different feel all around. Now I much prefer the M18. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45449/20210204_095324_jpg-2549674.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm still meh on our m18s. I'm qualifying again tomorrow morning. Maybe I'll warm up to them eventually? I was the same way when we switched from glocks to M18s, its just a different feel all around. Now I much prefer the M18. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45449/20210204_095324_jpg-2549674.JPG |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like Wilson and others have sold a shit load of grip frames. I think people use it more with the P365, but it is cool to be able to order a new "receiver" to your door without going through an FFL. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But nobody ever uses the modularity because the cost of buying everything (when you can find them) except the FCU is equal to just buying another 320- kinda like how people praise the versatility of an LPVO but leave it on one power. I absolutely love my WCP 320. I've shot glocks and 1911s for decades and my ccw is a 2nd gen g19. Have several thousand rounds through the WCP. I did change the guide rod and spring because I shoot 147s. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:32:31 PM EDT
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I have 2 of the P320s and they are fantastic.
If you are into the 17/19 I wouldn’t worry though because the Crips, Bloods, MS13 as well as most other street gangs are all strapped up with Glocks + the FA switches so there will be plenty of mags around for generations. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:49:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No clue, but people have speculated for years how cheap Glocks really were to manufacture. I'm betting Sig isn't losing too much. And if that's the case, they are really making bank on the Civilian M17s and M18s. https://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0331/020.html?sh=13a557bc3eb5 |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:55:34 PM EDT
[#17]
Gross
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:00:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Psssst. Please explain how DEVGRU, CAG and the British SAS/SBS main worry is about cost of their weapons, not function. If that were the case they’d all use staccatos |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:02:00 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still meh on our m18s. I'm qualifying again tomorrow morning. Maybe I'll warm up to them eventually? I never warmed up to my 320. Good trigger and shot accurately, just very top heavy and flippy in recoil. As a general issue pistol, I'm sure it's fine. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:10:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not saying they're exactly apples to apples, but Taurus had no problem retailing G2s and G3s around the $200 price point, and lots of choices from S&W, Stoeger, etc. aren't that much more expensive. I'd question just how much they're losing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just under $200 per pistol. Our Safariland holster system costs more than the gun. Great question. They aren’t losing even at 200 per. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:10:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 320 has functioned fine, but damn, it's gonna take a lot of rounds to get it to where I can shoot it true. I can't stop dragging it to 7 o'clock low. Nick |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:12:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. Aussie SOCOMD forces will use Glock 19’s same as most of USSOCOM. 
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:13:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that were the case they’d all use staccatos Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Psssst. Please explain how DEVGRU, CAG and the British SAS/SBS main worry is about cost of their weapons, not function. If that were the case they’d all use staccatos CAG has already BTDT. It didn't work out well... |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:33:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/313126/photo_2022-08-27_15-36-49_jpg-2549684.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/313126/photo_2022-08-27_15-37-01_jpg-2549685.JPG OOB fire on an m17 using normal ammo. yeah sure Sig fixed it and sent it back in 3 days....but using normal ammo and it fires out of battery. FUCK THAT NOISE. Fuck all of SIG...except their 220 and mk25 series...and 210...and their 550 series..those work fine. rest of SIG usa is suspect.. never again. If SIG USA could arrange a way to get legit 550's into the country, and they didn't cost an arm and a cock, my feelings about the company would warm considerably. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:35:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Sig320 is the covid Vax of handguns. The XD of our decade. Complete cringe POS  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:42:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.56 & .300 BO on the same military logistics supply chain? I guess they'll be blowing up a bunch of guns with that kind of ammo logistics. Fucking LOL. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The other weapons that were selected: SIG MCX in .300 as a PDW. Interesting choice. Benelli M3A1. Accuracy International AX-SR Barrett M107A1 In a few years they will purchase other new systems for the following roles: Close Combatant Assault Rifle, Machine Guns, Direct Fire Support Weapons and Grenades. I assume the SIG MCX in 5.56 will become the standard issue rifle. With them buying the MCX in .300 Blackout it makes a lot of sense they will just buy those for standard issue. I suppose SIG may get a contract for SIGs LMG design. 5.56 & .300 BO on the same military logistics supply chain? I guess they'll be blowing up a bunch of guns with that kind of ammo logistics. Fucking LOL. Makes me wonder who will get it. They say it is a PDW, but I am not seeing tankers and the like getting it. Probably will be kept for some small SF type units. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:58:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:01:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have numerous Sigs. None of them shoot low like the M18. I'll get used to it, but it isn't a Sig problem per se. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm still meh on our m18s. I'm qualifying again tomorrow morning. Maybe I'll warm up to them eventually? Combat hold. People new to Sigs always shoot low. Correct. Every SIG I've owned except the P320 shoot the same as every other pistol I've owned. 1. You can choose to retrain yourself to shoot the 320, and then shoot every other pistol high. 2. Spend money to change out sight heights. 3. Sell it. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:24:25 AM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:25:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But when you drop a gun in australia it falls up instead of hitting the floor which dramatically reduces NDs Naw, it loads itself instead of unloads. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:33:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2022 11:30:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2022 11:43:43 AM EDT
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GLOCK 19
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Posted: 10/4/2022 11:49:14 AM EDT
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The vast amounts of mUh gLoCk snowflakes being triggered by Sig is hilarious right now
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Posted: 10/4/2022 11:51:01 AM EDT
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Who made the military the decider of what is good and bad?
Zev OZ9 master race. 
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Posted: 10/4/2022 4:16:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow surprised they didn’t have Glocks already since they are made in that shithole. Hopefully some Indian mim parts brick the pistol next time they decide to go for the final solution Glocks are made in Australia?
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Posted: 10/4/2022 4:20:12 PM EDT
[#38]
Sig > Glock
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Posted: 10/4/2022 5:01:59 PM EDT
[#39]
@packinheavy
How did qualifying with the M18 go? |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:57:37 PM EDT
[#40]
I did a qual with an M17 not too long ago. I like it just fine. It's the logical choice for a military pistol in 2022.
The whole "gun shoots low" thing is guys not used to European sight pictures. You put the dot over the target, rather than cut it in half. In my experience, you cut the target in half at like 25m, and you'll be POA/POI. At least that's my experience at work. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:00:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:01:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole "gun shoots low" thing is guys not used to European sight pictures. You put the dot over the target, rather than cut it in half. In my experience, you cut the target in half at like 25m, and you'll be POA/POI. At least that's my experience at work. Correct, combat hold vs center hold. Thing on the thing, pull the thing. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:05:58 PM EDT
[#43]
At least Oz will be a lot closer to the spare parts.
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Posted: 10/4/2022 9:50:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @packinheavy How did qualifying with the M18 go? Also, the smaller handed people were thrilled when we put on the smaller grip module. I'm sure I'll adapt to the sights eventually. |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 8:26:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGlock grip angle is superior, IMO. |
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