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Posted: 6/20/2023 7:49:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ran a ton of guys who could clear if I was allowed to spot for them. Good consistent shots, often banging away at a 6" area to the left or high or whatever on a 12" square. They would have hit with spotter calls but they didn't without them Dope goes in the scope cap |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 7:50:31 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So this sounds like an excuse for rifle but I'm actually serious. I will look at the ranges on the card but I don't write them down or put dials before my run. Cola to me is how I could do if I was on the clock in real life and I doubt I'm going to have a dope card. This is further cemented by the fact I know I want to improve but I'm self aware I'm not going to put the time in to be Stoner. So it's an excellent time for me to just glance at what Strelok says the day before. Go there, and work on memorizing which order to go to, shortest to longest. I prioritize that over memorizing holds/dials or exact distances. Then just go out and run that bitch hard as fuck and see what I got. I loved this year Dale did not allow spot calls. Last year he did and much much more people including myself cleared 700. I've got a dope card taped to my rifle now after forgetting it on one of my runs... We also didn't allow spotters to give corrections this year... about half the runners cleared rifle with targets out to 550. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 7:51:49 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got a dope card taped to my rifle now after forgetting it on one of my runs... We also didn't allow spotters to give corrections this year... about half the runners cleared rifle with targets out to 550. I man what kind of psycho can’t spot for themselves. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 7:54:00 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I man what kind of psycho can’t spot for themselves. The field was half snow and half grass  Even with my NF 2.5-10, I couldn't always see the splash |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 7:54:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dope card on rifle and know your gun number. Spot shot next one should be money. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So this sounds like an excuse for rifle but I'm actually serious. I will look at the ranges on the card but I don't write them down or put dials before my run. Cola to me is how I could do if I was on the clock in real life and I doubt I'm going to have a dope card. This is further cemented by the fact I know I want to improve but I'm self aware I'm not going to put the time in to be Stoner. So it's an excellent time for me to just glance at what Strelok says the day before. Go there, and work on memorizing which order to go to, shortest to longest. I prioritize that over memorizing holds/dials or exact distances. Then just go out and run that bitch hard as fuck and see what I got. I loved this year Dale did not allow spot calls. Last year he did and much much more people including myself cleared 700. Dope card on rifle and know your gun number. Spot shot next one should be money. Yep, don't do that or the wristband. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:06:16 PM EDT
[#6]
Cola is what really struck home how terrible I was with a handgun btw...
The few shooters I've seen run Staccatos at them have also been people that have actually put the time into handgun shooting to not be awful. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:09:58 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How did the rifle portion go? With RDS handguns, most cola pistol ranges are getting to a point they aren't too difficult to clear... unless they've got spinners or penalty hits I really need to go put some work in with my rifle  LOL. We had targets at 150 and 190 yards. I hit them with my carry gun (Glock 45 with RMR). |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:15:23 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dope card on rifle and know your gun number. Spot shot next one should be money. One of the targets had a back drop that gave you basically no splash with .223 that could be seen with 10x. Later when I was spotting for score with a couple of shooters, I couldn't easily see their splash at 20x either with a spotting scope I would consider not great but also not terrible. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:16:22 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. We had targets at 150 and 190 yards. I hit them with my carry gun (Glock 45 with RMR). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How did the rifle portion go? With RDS handguns, most cola pistol ranges are getting to a point they aren't too difficult to clear... unless they've got spinners or penalty hits I really need to go put some work in with my rifle LOL. We had targets at 150 and 190 yards. I hit them with my carry gun (Glock 45 with RMR). This event is abnormal. At East I think we'll have one target at 60 and it focuses more on 25-40yd pistol shots with two hostage penalty targets. 150yd pistol is a rarity. Multiple events have various plate racks or spinners but even then, your range time is your range time, so you can game it by shooting one and then moving to rifle and let the star settle. Keystone is (in my words) the shooters cup of Cola. You need to be good at everything, pistol fast, pistol long, rifle long, rifle offhand, rifle one hand. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:19:10 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So this sounds like an excuse for rifle but I'm actually serious. I will look at the ranges on the card but I don't write them down or put dials before my run. Cola to me is how I could do if I was on the clock in real life and I doubt I'm going to have a dope card. This is further cemented by the fact I know I want to improve but I'm self aware I'm not going to put the time in to be Stoner. So it's an excellent time for me to just glance at what Strelok says the day before. Go there, and work on memorizing which order to go to, shortest to longest. I prioritize that over memorizing holds/dials or exact distances. Then just go out and run that bitch hard as fuck and see what I got. I loved this year Dale did not allow spot calls. Last year he did and much much more people including myself cleared 700. In real life when I was a squad leader if you were my soldier that was my squad's SDM and issued the appropriate weapon system and you showed up to literally anything without your dope card, well, lets just say we would fucking fix your upper body strength problems right on the spot. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:23:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In real life when I was a squad leader if you were my soldier that was my squad's SDM and issued the appropriate weapon system and you showed up to literally anything without your dope card, well, lets just say we would fucking fix your upper body strength problems right on the spot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So this sounds like an excuse for rifle but I'm actually serious. I will look at the ranges on the card but I don't write them down or put dials before my run. Cola to me is how I could do if I was on the clock in real life and I doubt I'm going to have a dope card. This is further cemented by the fact I know I want to improve but I'm self aware I'm not going to put the time in to be Stoner. So it's an excellent time for me to just glance at what Strelok says the day before. Go there, and work on memorizing which order to go to, shortest to longest. I prioritize that over memorizing holds/dials or exact distances. Then just go out and run that bitch hard as fuck and see what I got. I loved this year Dale did not allow spot calls. Last year he did and much much more people including myself cleared 700. In real life when I was a squad leader if you were my soldier that was my squad's SDM and issued the appropriate weapon system and you showed up to literally anything without your dope card, well, lets just say we would fucking fix your upper body strength problems right on the spot. 
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:26:22 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. We had targets at 150 and 190 yards. I hit them with my carry gun (Glock 45 with RMR). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How did the rifle portion go? With RDS handguns, most cola pistol ranges are getting to a point they aren't too difficult to clear... unless they've got spinners or penalty hits I really need to go put some work in with my rifle LOL. We had targets at 150 and 190 yards. I hit them with my carry gun (Glock 45 with RMR). I'll take my real m19 for 200 yard shots. I swear people think you need a 2k dollar gun plus optic when a $350 revolver has been doing it for 50 plus years. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:30:26 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll take my real m19 for 200 yard shots. I swear people think you need a 2k dollar gun plus optic when a $350 revolver has been doing it for 50 plus years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How did the rifle portion go? With RDS handguns, most cola pistol ranges are getting to a point they aren't too difficult to clear... unless they've got spinners or penalty hits I really need to go put some work in with my rifle LOL. We had targets at 150 and 190 yards. I hit them with my carry gun (Glock 45 with RMR). I'll take my real m19 for 200 yard shots. I swear people think you need a 2k dollar gun plus optic when a $350 revolver has been doing it for 50 plus years. Aside from skill most people don't practice nor ever expect to shoot pistol at 200yds |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:32:11 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the targets had a back drop that gave you basically no splash with .223 that could be seen with 10x. Later when I was spotting for score with a couple of shooters, I couldn't easily see their splash at 20x either with a spotting scope I would consider not great but also not terrible. That’s when you stop fucking about a find a bare spot close to shoot and see splash or keep stacking on more wind. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:34:54 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aside from skill most people don't practice nor ever expect to shoot pistol at 200yds People are pathetic and use gear as a crutch. I practice out to 300 yards weekly with my colt navy black powder. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:35:17 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll take my real m19 for 200 yard shots. I swear people think you need a 2k dollar gun plus optic when a $350 revolver has been doing it for 50 plus years. I probably could have made the shots, actually easier, with my 19-5. Those cost more than $350 now, by the way. Also, because of the equipment requirements of this event, with my 19-5 I would have been limited to 12 rounds total, for two stages with a combined 21 targets. Aint nobody cleaning a 21 target course of fire with 12 rounds. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:37:08 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s when you stop fucking about a find a bare spot close to shoot and see splash or keep stacking on more wind. I was a little fatigued from doing a bunch of activities immediately beforehand and wasn't having my clearest of thoughts. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:39:51 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know. I’m not allowed around schools or kids. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How old is the average Olympic athlete? Lots of teenagers there. I don’t know. I’m not allowed around schools or kids. 
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:43:36 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aint nobody cleaning a 21 target course of fire with 12 rounds. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:44:40 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People are pathetic and use gear as a crutch. I practice out to 300 yards weekly with my colt navy black powder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Aside from skill most people don't practice nor ever expect to shoot pistol at 200yds People are pathetic and use gear as a crutch. I practice out to 300 yards weekly with my colt navy black powder. Colt Navy is for faggot cheaters, it's Hawkins flint or nothin'! |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:53:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Colt Navy is for faggot cheaters, it's Hawkins flint or nothin'! Don't you realize all the training value you have been missing out on not making your training harder? |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:01:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't you realize all the training value you have been missing out on not making your training harder? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Colt Navy is for faggot cheaters, it's Hawkins flint or nothin'! Don't you realize all the training value you have been missing out on not making your training harder? Are you arguing for bows? Spears? Throwing rocks? Grappling? |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:04:40 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you arguing for bows? Spears? Throwing rocks? Grappling? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Colt Navy is for faggot cheaters, it's Hawkins flint or nothin'! Don't you realize all the training value you have been missing out on not making your training harder? Are you arguing for bows? Spears? Throwing rocks? Grappling? Spittin' |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:08:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How old is the average Olympic athlete? Lots of teenagers there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:  It is bizarre how universal that experience is. I mean in PRS you have a teenage boy and a teenage girl who crush everyone at the highest national level on very frequent occasions over the last few years. How old is the average Olympic athlete? Lots of teenagers there. We had some collegiate shooters in Tokyo as well as some middle aged ones. Gold and silver for a couple rifle shooters from the University of Kentucky. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:10:17 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never fired a gun before. Guns kill people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's true my first time shooting this year was at Keystone I've never fired a gun before. Guns kill people.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:17:18 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you arguing for bows? Spears? Throwing rocks? Grappling? Yes. For any given training task, the way to improvement is not to give yourself standards for speed and accuracy and increase those standards to be more proficient over the time. That's not what the pros do. The pros use shitty equipment to make their training tasks harder. I was thinking an atlatl should be added to the list as well. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:20:31 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I probably could have made the shots, actually easier, with my 19-5. Those cost more than $350 now, by the way. Also, because of the equipment requirements of this event, with my 19-5 I would have been limited to 12 rounds total, for two stages with a combined 21 targets. Aint nobody cleaning a 21 target course of fire with 12 rounds. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll take my real m19 for 200 yard shots. I swear people think you need a 2k dollar gun plus optic when a $350 revolver has been doing it for 50 plus years. I probably could have made the shots, actually easier, with my 19-5. Those cost more than $350 now, by the way. Also, because of the equipment requirements of this event, with my 19-5 I would have been limited to 12 rounds total, for two stages with a combined 21 targets. Aint nobody cleaning a 21 target course of fire with 12 rounds. Then it was a retarded event. Yeah, $350 5 years ago is like $700 now which is still a shame you need to spend 3x as much to get an auto as accurate. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:21:35 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you arguing for bows? Spears? Throwing rocks? Grappling? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Colt Navy is for faggot cheaters, it's Hawkins flint or nothin'! Don't you realize all the training value you have been missing out on not making your training harder? Are you arguing for bows? Spears? Throwing rocks? Grappling? All of it |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:23:41 PM EDT
[#29]
It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian. People tend to forget that.
Pick something reliable that fits and shoot the hell out of it until it becomes an extension of your mind. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:35:18 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian. People tend to forget that. Pick something reliable that fits and shoot the hell out of it until it becomes an extension of your mind. Those were all the ones that I sold, when out of work. To be honest, they were worked on by some of the best smiths. :-) |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:37:32 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All of it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Colt Navy is for faggot cheaters, it's Hawkins flint or nothin'! Don't you realize all the training value you have been missing out on not making your training harder? Are you arguing for bows? Spears? Throwing rocks? Grappling? All of it Based. But what you're really arguing for is weapons familiarization which is admirable. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 10:13:38 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm buying a Staccato just to make the haters mad Maybe we can get a group rate in the HTF? I'm a poor who can't afford full boat on those after blowing most of my toy budget after the pistol RDS thread. Heck, I'm so poor (how poor are you?) so poor my NODS are monocular. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 10:15:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe we can get a group rate in the HTF? I'm a poor who can't afford full boat on those after blowing most of my toy budget after the pistol RDS thread. Heck, I'm so poor (how poor are you?) so poor my NODS are monocular. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm buying a Staccato just to make the haters mad Maybe we can get a group rate in the HTF? I'm a poor who can't afford full boat on those after blowing most of my toy budget after the pistol RDS thread. Heck, I'm so poor (how poor are you?) so poor my NODS are monocular. Mono nods best nods unless government free money |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 10:18:15 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All of it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Colt Navy is for faggot cheaters, it's Hawkins flint or nothin'! Don't you realize all the training value you have been missing out on not making your training harder? Are you arguing for bows? Spears? Throwing rocks? Grappling? All of it CAVE MAN NOISES!!! |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 10:19:21 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian. People tend to forget that. Pick something reliable that fits and shoot the hell out of it until it becomes an extension of your mind. Exactly! Equipment is irrelevant. That's why bows and arrows ultimately defeated revolvers and lever guns. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 10:21:03 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Based. But what you're really arguing for is weapons familiarization which is admirable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Colt Navy is for faggot cheaters, it's Hawkins flint or nothin'! Don't you realize all the training value you have been missing out on not making your training harder? Are you arguing for bows? Spears? Throwing rocks? Grappling? All of it Based. But what you're really arguing for is weapons familiarization which is admirable. Yes You know the safety of M16s, m249, m1014, and m9 are all different and I've used them all effectively in combat?  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 10:28:56 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes You know the safety of M16s, m249, m1014, and m9 are all different and I've used them all effectively in combat? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/250px-MCMAP1insignia_jpg-2858682.JPG That slogan is a lot cooler if you're not familiar with MCMAP |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 10:44:08 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then it was a retarded event. Yeah, $350 5 years ago is like $700 now which is still a shame you need to spend 3x as much to get an auto as accurate. I got mine for $500. You haven't even heard the description of the rest of the event.
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Posted: 6/20/2023 11:01:27 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People are pathetic and use gear as a crutch. I practice out to 300 yards weekly with my colt navy black powder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Aside from skill most people don't practice nor ever expect to shoot pistol at 200yds People are pathetic and use gear as a crutch. I practice out to 300 yards weekly with my colt navy black powder. I squint real hard at night. NV is cheating and will get you killed in the boogaloo. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 11:02:25 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I squint real hard at night. NV is cheating and will get you killed in the boogaloo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Aside from skill most people don't practice nor ever expect to shoot pistol at 200yds People are pathetic and use gear as a crutch. I practice out to 300 yards weekly with my colt navy black powder. I squint real hard at night. NV is cheating and will get you killed in the boogaloo. Night vision is a crutch for the weak. Just eat more carrots. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 11:06:27 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That slogan is a lot cooler if you're not familiar with MCMAP Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes You know the safety of M16s, m249, m1014, and m9 are all different and I've used them all effectively in combat? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/250px-MCMAP1insignia_jpg-2858682.JPG That slogan is a lot cooler if you're not familiar with MCMAP I actually liked MCMAP. Super basic and repetitive drills is what makes effective techniques in a real fight. Plus I love body hardening. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 11:08:51 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually liked MCMAP. Super basic and repetitive drills is what makes effective techniques in a real fight. Plus I love body hardening. Body hardening was removed sometime between 2006 and 2008. Those repetitive drills might help if they were continuously repeated... but that's not what happens. People get sent to a course for a belt... and then touch on it maybe once a year for PT. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 11:21:10 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Body hardening was removed sometime between 2006 and 2008. Those repetitive drills might help if they were continuously repeated... but that's not what happens. People get sent to a course for a belt... and then touch on it maybe once a year for PT. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I actually liked MCMAP. Super basic and repetitive drills is what makes effective techniques in a real fight. Plus I love body hardening. Body hardening was removed sometime between 2006 and 2008. Those repetitive drills might help if they were continuously repeated... but that's not what happens. People get sent to a course for a belt... and then touch on it maybe once a year for PT. Boo I got my first black belt at 12. Tang Soo Do is hardly a combat art but by gosh I swear to God I've used one steps is actually combat. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 11:28:28 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Boo I got my first black belt at 12. Tang Soo Do is hardly a combat art but by gosh I swear to God I've used one steps is actually combat. How MCMAP was planned and envisioned was amazing. It's implementation went to crap sadly 
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Posted: 6/20/2023 11:56:19 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To recap: Your autistic SOF Glock rant was a response to a discussion I was having, with someone else, about how out of date their bullshit mentality was. That mentality was/is centered around the idea that better guns with more options and features, somehow aren't better. I've also mentioned several times in this thread that I don't own a Staccato, but do own Glocks. You seemed completely unaware of what was being discussed, but got all triggered, because I mentioned sarcastically and accurately, that the military generally doesn't know shit or care about pistols. Then I just started mocking you for your inability to follow what is being discussed and why... Which you've shown yet again. To recap, this has been how you and another one come out looking in this thread: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/raw-355.gif |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 1:06:48 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe we can get a group rate in the HTF? I'm a poor who can't afford full boat on those after blowing most of my toy budget after the pistol RDS thread. Heck, I'm so poor (how poor are you?) so poor my NODS are monocular. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm buying a Staccato just to make the haters mad Maybe we can get a group rate in the HTF? I'm a poor who can't afford full boat on those after blowing most of my toy budget after the pistol RDS thread. Heck, I'm so poor (how poor are you?) so poor my NODS are monocular. Why are you speaking my language so clearly right now Let’s do it |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 1:16:23 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Heck, I'm so poor (how poor are you?) so poor my NODS are monocular. Same |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 1:25:11 AM EDT
[#48]
Meh, mine was $675 and worth every penny. 1000% better than fantastic plastic. Simply amazing out of the box.
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Posted: 6/21/2023 1:34:56 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently you've never heard of @ChibaJoe. He also put holes in my AR500 targets with a pistol. |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 8:02:11 AM EDT
[#50]
And some people think a high point carbine is as good as a mp5.
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