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Quoted: Counterpoint: The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans. IF my numbers are remotely correct (big IF) Subsonic 350 Legend loads will have significantly less muzzle pressure from any barrel length than a 9mm 147gr +P load from a 4" barrel. Any 9mm can should be able to handle subsonic 350 Legend (from a pressure standpoint, no guarantee on erosion) Heavy (200gr) fast (2,000fps) supersonic 350 Legend loads from a 16" barrel matches the muzzle pressure 147gr 9mm +P from a 4" barrel. That same 200gr 350 Legend load from an 11.5" barrel has 50% more muzzle pressure than the 4" 9mm load. Based on that, I bet it's likely you'll find many existing 9mm cans rated for subsonic 350 Legends from any length barrel, and a fairly long (16") minimum barrel length for supersonic loads. Depending on how overdesigned the can is, they may certify it for supersonic loads in shorter barrels. |
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Many 9mm's actually have .358" barrels. When the big light hits the bullet in the ass it will bump up or obturate. The 30kpsi is enough. A thousandth or two doesn't matter so much in a short range rifle like this. I wouldn't be happy with a it in a bench rest rifle or long range target rifle, but here it will be fine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just playing around in QuickLoad with this, using 357 Maximum with updated case length, COAL, and making an assumption on H20 case capacity based on 357AR (357 Max Rimless) on the Mad Dog forums, here's what I come up with: 1.710" case length 2.230" COAL 34.5gr H20 fired case capacity 200gr .358 Hornady FTX bullet 55ksi maximum pressure A max charge of 20.6gr of Winchester 296 powder (Insert standard disclaimer - this is a theoretical load in modeling software for illustration purposes only - do not attempt this at home - reload at your own risk - consult published OEM data for actual loads - start at the starting charge and work your way up) Results with some common AR barrel lengths: Barrel Length / FPS 20" / 2,005 16" / 1,938 14.7" / 1,911 12.5" / 1,856 11.5" / 1,827 10.3" / 1,786 8.5" / 1,711 7.5" / 1,658 That's only 150fps drop from 20" down to 12.5" and 350fps drop from a 20" barrel all the way down to 7.5", with a fairly long 200 grain bullet. Right now - there isn't much in the way of .35cal 200+ grain bullets that will reliably expand at any range in this velocity window. Until someone comes up with something designed with a lower minimum expansion velocity, the 150-180 grain bullets will be your best bet. Which is probably exactly why the Winchester factory loads for launch are in that window, except for the subsonic load. But, imagine if Nosler was to come out with an 200+ grain Accubond Long Range .35 caliber bullet that expanded down to 1,300fps like they offer in other calibers. We'll be hunting with heavy-for-caliber bullets out to 200 yards with 7.5" barrels and getting reliable expansion! Right now - best heavy hunting handload in Quickload I can come up with is the Hawk 200gr flat point with a .025" jacket. Not sure what the expansion threshold is on that bullet, but it's the thinnest jacket Hawk offers so should offer more room on the low-end. Taking a wild-ass guess at seating depth and using an 10.3" barrel, it's still pushing almost 1,850fps at the muzzle. I think I'm gonna have to build one of these! Edit - A load with the Hawk 180gr Flat Point with .025" jacket could be pushing just shy of 2,000fps from an 11.5" barrel. That may be a better sweet spot hunting load. If I didn't already have 250 pieces of Starline cut to .357AR length I'd have my chamber reamed for this. Something to be said about available, ready-made ammo. ETA-and I wasn't looking for single ragged hole groups from this anyway, just small enough groups to kill a deer at 150 or less. Should work just fine. |
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This will give me a great launching pad for the giant bag of .35 cal 150gr Pointed Corlokts I've had stashed away.
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In the tech forum thread it's reported that .355 bore is specified for this cartridge. That seems like a bad choice.
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That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans. I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic. But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I agree. This looks WAY better than 300blk to me. But it's not going to overtake 300blk until mags are prolific and comparably priced. And even then it would be a challenge with all the 30 cal cans in circulation. For people with no suppressor and no 300blk, this is probably going to be much more appealing. For people who already have a 300blk and a 30 cal can, I don't see many of them switching. That said, I can't fucking wait to test this. Especially subsonic with a can. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans. I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic. But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Good info! In any case - I did some digging on a semi-comparable AR-based straight wall cartridge, 450 Bushmaster. Looks like bore vs groove diameter probably isn't as important as total bore + groove area. 450 Bushmaster has a SAAMI specification of a 0.4525" OD bullet (.1608 square inches), with a specified minimum bore + groove area of 0.157 square inches. That means the minimum barrel area is only 97.6% of the bullet area. 350 Legend SAAMI spec has a 0.357" OD bullet with a specified minimum bore + groove area of .0967 square inches, so the minimum barrel area is 96.6% of bullet area. I guess that may just be how straight-wall cartridge are designed, as a bit of a squeeze bore. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was making my own version of this cartridge last year except with 9mm bullets and i found that 223AI brass worked better than 223Rem.
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I was making my own version of this cartridge last year except with 9mm bullets and i found that 223AI brass worked better than 223Rem. Life got busy so i never did anything with it. Glad they did should be a nice round! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/245310/9x40_PNG-827136.JPG View Quote Here is the thread I started last October on the 9X39: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?370126-A-YouTube-video-for-those-interested-in-the-9X39-coming-to-the-US&highlight=9X39 The replies I got suggested the 9X39 should be stuffed with .35 cal bullets instead. For you folks who hate trimming, get a case feeder equipped Dillon 650 with a Dillon toolhead mounted trimmer...a small shop vac...and ear muffs and ear buds....and start-!-cranking. |
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Ok, stupid question but will regular .357 bullets work in the new chambering or not? It does not seem like it going by the sammi specs?
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Suppressors tend to be addictive. The most common first 3 are 9mm, .22, and 308. The beauty of 9mm is that it will work with pretty much any subs smaller than 9mm. 9mm cans are generally user serviceable, so can be cleaned after shooting dirty ammo and cast bullets. 308 cans are designed for higher pressure, but are more often than not sealed. As such they need jacketed bullets.
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In my group, I was the first to get into cans. When my friends got the bug, I told them to get a 22 can and a Hybrid, because down the road you’ll never know what you want to put it on. So far it’s proven good advice... plus it helped when Capital Armory had buy a Hybrid get a 22 can free...
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