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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:32:20 AM EST
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And reloading. Headspacing off of the case mouth is going to create issues Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will be trying one of these. Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans. Headspacing off of the case mouth is going to create issues |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:35:39 AM EST
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Ask Winchester, who is chambering the 350 in a bolt gun. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 10:13:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are making a run of barrels for Savage bolt actions now. The short range, straight taper cartridges fit our line up well. Should be ready around late Feb, just waiting on reamers. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 10:48:14 AM EST
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I had heard the Mossberg MVP series took Savage bbls. Any truth to that rumor, or someone getting confused about the MVP having a Savage type bbl nut? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/31/2019 10:59:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are making a run of barrels for Savage bolt actions now. The short range, straight taper cartridges fit our line up well. Should be ready around late Feb, just waiting on reamers. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 12:53:29 PM EST
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So it's a 38-55? Edit never mind this was as old as Sabre tooth tiger white dung. I see the opportunity to make a nice cast bullet shooter out of it. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 1:14:08 PM EST
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My search fu at the cast boolits forum must really suck because I can't find my thread from like at least 5 years ago that says cut a .223 off at the shoulder and stuff it with a 9mn bullet/boolit. Here is the thread I started last October on the 9X39: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?370126-A-YouTube-video-for-those-interested-in-the-9X39-coming-to-the-US&highlight=9X39 The replies I got suggested the 9X39 should be stuffed with .35 cal bullets instead. For you folks who hate trimming, get a case feeder equipped Dillon 650 with a Dillon toolhead mounted trimmer...a small shop vac...and ear muffs and ear buds....and start-!-cranking.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was making my own version of this cartridge last year except with 9mm bullets and i found that 223AI brass worked better than 223Rem. Life got busy so i never did anything with it. Glad they did should be a nice round! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/245310/9x40_PNG-827136.JPG Here is the thread I started last October on the 9X39: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?370126-A-YouTube-video-for-those-interested-in-the-9X39-coming-to-the-US&highlight=9X39 The replies I got suggested the 9X39 should be stuffed with .35 cal bullets instead. For you folks who hate trimming, get a case feeder equipped Dillon 650 with a Dillon toolhead mounted trimmer...a small shop vac...and ear muffs and ear buds....and start-!-cranking. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 1:45:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same here. .30 cal rifle can and .22 can I’d like more, esp a pistol suppressor but the novelty of them has kind of worn off and given the cost/wait times now the juice isn’t worth the squeeze for me anymore. I MIGHT try a form 1 pistol can at some point since the eform route seems pretty quick right now.... I can't tell a difference between a commercial 22 can and my diversified machine kit can, and my cheapo aluminum direct thread 9mm for my scorpion sounds about the same as any other can of the same size. Boosters are available and seem pretty high quality as well for pistol use. Plus it lets you try some weird stuff without heavy investment. Going to do a fat and short can for my ps90 soon I think. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 2:06:42 PM EST
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But muh .30-30. This one is.... |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 2:54:48 PM EST
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Is there data on either the 350 Legend / 35-223 with the shorter AR pistol length barrels?
The thread that got me thinking down this line. Possible reincarnation of the 9mm Winchester Magnum. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 3:00:10 PM EST
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You will need an extremely fast twist rate barrel and some custom bullets made out of end mills. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, would this work in my .30cal suppressor after 4 or 5 shots? |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 3:09:47 PM EST
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Dude, it's Winchester. 
I'm all in, paying full retail or whatever, to get a Winchester marked lower, though. If that happens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find the lack of information on this cartridge post-release to be disappointing. Is that really what happened here?
I'm all in, paying full retail or whatever, to get a Winchester marked lower, though. If that happens. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 3:20:38 PM EST
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This would probably be the only way I'd buy another Mini-14 should Ruger chamber them in the 350. A modern day M-1 Carbine heir with the bite to be a real short range defense carbine. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 3:28:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knowing Winchester they’ll offer it in a low wall 1885 action or a ‘95 with really deep crescent buttplates and case hardening, no provision for scoping and under the Browning flag with rubber butt pads and scope mounts. https://woodburyoutfitters.com/the-trailblazer/winchesters-new-lineup-of-350-legend-rifles/ |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 3:39:45 PM EST
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Is there data on either the 350 Legend / 35-223 with the shorter AR pistol length barrels? The thread that got me thinking down this line. Possible reincarnation of the 9mm Winchester Magnum. QuickLoad seems to give good results, with the recommended powders matching what the 357AR guys are actually using. Playing around with Winchester 296 and working up a load that pushed the Hornady 200 FTX @ ~2,000fps from 20" barrel, you could drop all the way to 7.5" barrel and still be pushing 1,650fps. That bullet probably isn't effective at that velocity, but it's a good example of how little velocity you lose when you chop 2/3 of the barrel off. Once you get into micro barrel territory, you could start using heavy 357 Magnum pistol bullets that still expand at those velocities. I think you could get the 180gr Swift A-frame pistol bullet going 1500+fps even from 4" barrel
EDIT - a 4" barrel AR in 350 Legend with a Dead Air Wolf-9SD in shorty configuration would be an awesome PDW for HD. 8" in length for barrel + silencer, pushing a heavy bonded Swift A-frame 180gr pistol bullet at 1,500fps
EDIT2 - Combine a 4" 350 Legend AR, Dead Air Wolf-9SD, and the new integral-buffer Law Tactical carrier that can fire while folded, and you'd have a suppressed 350 PDW shooting 180-grain bonded hollowpoints at 1,500fps while being less than 16" in length. Did I just win the Army's SCW RFI?
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Posted: 1/31/2019 3:53:09 PM EST
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So far only looks like Winchester XPR's for factory bolt guns and CMMG for AR15 platform https://woodburyoutfitters.com/the-trailblazer/winchesters-new-lineup-of-350-legend-rifles/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Knowing Winchester they’ll offer it in a low wall 1885 action or a ‘95 with really deep crescent buttplates and case hardening, no provision for scoping and under the Browning flag with rubber butt pads and scope mounts. https://woodburyoutfitters.com/the-trailblazer/winchesters-new-lineup-of-350-legend-rifles/ That's a good sign to me. https://www.kakindustry.com/ar-15-parts/upper-parts/barrels/350-legend |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 4:36:57 PM EST
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Not deer legal in Ohio. This one is.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But muh .30-30. This one is.... |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 5:16:50 PM EST
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I like cartridges in this power range for deer.
My shots are always inside 100 yards and you just don't need a .300 Earsplintenshutzenboomer to drop them. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 6:12:22 PM EST
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 CMMG AR chambered in 350 Legend? - SHOT SHOW 2019 Just posted today. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 6:40:38 PM EST
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I bet somebody could put 7 or 8 holes in the cylinder of a big wheel gun for this cartridge. Would need moon clips, but the cool factor would be very high. It would also be pretty utilitarian.
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Posted: 1/31/2019 6:51:47 PM EST
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We tried to get brass from winchester at shot show but they wouldn't give it up. I want to get started on this caliber! Starline Brass |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 6:56:08 PM EST
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I bet somebody could put 7 or 8 holes in the cylinder of a big wheel gun for this cartridge. Would need moon clips, but the cool factor would be very high. It would also be pretty utilitarian. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 8:06:23 PM EST
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I bet somebody could put 7 or 8 holes in the cylinder of a big wheel gun for this cartridge. Would need moon clips, but the cool factor would be very high. It would also be pretty utilitarian. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 8:15:00 PM EST
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You should write Magnum Research a letter/e-mail. And you don't have to have moon clips to fire a rimless cartridge from a revolver... Might could do it like the Medusa M47 did? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet somebody could put 7 or 8 holes in the cylinder of a big wheel gun for this cartridge. Would need moon clips, but the cool factor would be very high. It would also be pretty utilitarian.
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Posted: 1/31/2019 8:22:10 PM EST
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 SHOT Show 2019 CMMG Resolute 350 Winchester Legend I'll be testing one soon. CMMG guy said Winchester was only interested in selling factory ammo. No problem, my gunsmith can fabricate the dies |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:01:35 PM EST
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7lAp-yCqk0
I'll be testing one soon. CMMG guy said Winchester was only interested in selling factory ammo. No problem, my gunsmith can fabricate the dies |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:28:52 PM EST
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He also mentioned ARFCOM Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7lAp-yCqk0
I'll be testing one soon. CMMG guy said Winchester was only interested in selling factory ammo. No problem, my gunsmith can fabricate the dies |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:35:19 PM EST
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Eh, 357max was cutting top straps. Would this be any different? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet somebody could put 7 or 8 holes in the cylinder of a big wheel gun for this cartridge. Would need moon clips, but the cool factor would be very high. It would also be pretty utilitarian. |
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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:37:10 PM EST
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I want one of those Rossi revolving rifles as a braced pistol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet somebody could put 7 or 8 holes in the cylinder of a big wheel gun for this cartridge. Would need moon clips, but the cool factor would be very high. It would also be pretty utilitarian. 
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Posted: 1/31/2019 9:55:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh, 357max was cutting top straps. Would this be any different?
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Posted: 1/31/2019 10:31:53 PM EST
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I'd like it in a mini Mauser. CZ, are you listening https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/880x660/Primary/107/107892.jpg |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 12:17:18 AM EST
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I bet somebody could put 7 or 8 holes in the cylinder of a big wheel gun for this cartridge. Would need moon clips, but the cool factor would be very high. It would also be pretty utilitarian. IIRC, the cylinder is 2.3" long. |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 6:24:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, so we should have Dan Wesson make it instead of Ruger? |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 6:43:28 PM EST
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Every time this comes to top page I click for updates.
Guess I'll Google it some more |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 6:48:41 PM EST
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Not deer legal in Ohio. This one is.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But muh .30-30. This one is.... |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 7:45:27 PM EST
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Is it? If you look at the SAAMI spec it looks like it's 9mm(.355) not .357. It's got to be .357 to be Ohio legal. Has there been a definitive determination on exact caliber? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/1/2019 9:23:47 PM EST
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Eh, 357max was cutting top straps. Would this be any different? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet somebody could put 7 or 8 holes in the cylinder of a big wheel gun for this cartridge. Would need moon clips, but the cool factor would be very high. It would also be pretty utilitarian. Turns out the lighter,shorter bullets were getting past the cylinder gap well before gas pressure began to drop. The extra length of the heavier bullets plugged the gap long enough for this to be a nonissue. Smith&Wesson sells certain ultralight .357 revolvers with a warning to use certain bullet weights. There is no reason Maximum can't be reintroduced in a good gun with the same warning. |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 9:25:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No problem, my gunsmith can fabricate the dies |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 11:12:53 PM EST
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.357 maximum was originally designed to fire 180 or highet grain bullets at .357 magnum velocities. Top strap cutting didn't becime a problem until people started handloading it with 110 and 125 grain bullets and max charges for hyper velocity. Turns out the lighter,shorter bullets were getting past the cylinder gap well before gas pressure began to drop. The extra length of the heavier bullets plugged the gap long enough for this to be a nonissue. Smith&Wesson sells certain ultralight .357 revolvers with a warning to use certain bullet weights. There is no reason Maximum can't be reintroduced in a good gun with the same warning. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet somebody could put 7 or 8 holes in the cylinder of a big wheel gun for this cartridge. Would need moon clips, but the cool factor would be very high. It would also be pretty utilitarian. Turns out the lighter,shorter bullets were getting past the cylinder gap well before gas pressure began to drop. The extra length of the heavier bullets plugged the gap long enough for this to be a nonissue. Smith&Wesson sells certain ultralight .357 revolvers with a warning to use certain bullet weights. There is no reason Maximum can't be reintroduced in a good gun with the same warning. |
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Posted: 2/1/2019 11:29:33 PM EST
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Interesting because I was thinking it would be neat experiment to do the same with this. Like 115&124 gr 9mm bullets loaded hot just to see what it does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet somebody could put 7 or 8 holes in the cylinder of a big wheel gun for this cartridge. Would need moon clips, but the cool factor would be very high. It would also be pretty utilitarian. Turns out the lighter,shorter bullets were getting past the cylinder gap well before gas pressure began to drop. The extra length of the heavier bullets plugged the gap long enough for this to be a nonissue. Smith&Wesson sells certain ultralight .357 revolvers with a warning to use certain bullet weights. There is no reason Maximum can't be reintroduced in a good gun with the same warning. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 12:49:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: S&W X Frame should have a long enough cylinder.
IIRC, the cylinder is 2.3" long.
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Posted: 2/2/2019 1:14:15 AM EST
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I dont know if this has been posted already, but what does this bullet do coming out of various barrel lengths? And would 16" or longer be better? or is short barrels fine, like with .300 AAC?
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Posted: 2/2/2019 3:44:37 AM EST
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I have been dragging my heals on getting a big-bore AR.
The .300 kaboom issue, the .458 SOCOM bolt face relieved until it is almost gone. The minuses kept adding up to the pluses. This round though, it is all pluses. I can't wait to see how it does suppressed, now I am looking at .22lr, .223, .45acp, and .35 caliber cans. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 12:06:13 PM EST
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.357 maximum was originally designed to fire 180 or highet grain bullets at .357 magnum velocities. Top strap cutting didn't becime a problem until people started handloading it with 110 and 125 grain bullets and max charges for hyper velocity. Turns out the lighter,shorter bullets were getting past the cylinder gap well before gas pressure began to drop. The extra length of the heavier bullets plugged the gap long enough for this to be a nonissue. Smith&Wesson sells certain ultralight .357 revolvers with a warning to use certain bullet weights. There is no reason Maximum can't be reintroduced in a good gun with the same warning. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 12:37:31 PM EST
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I dont know if this has been posted already, but what does this bullet do coming out of various barrel lengths? And would 16" or longer be better? or is short barrels fine, like with .300 AAC? Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy 210 gr (14 g) Lead FNGC 1,649 ft/s (503 m/s) 1,268 ft·lbf (1,719 J) 158 gr (10 g) JHP 1,998 ft/s (609 m/s) 1,401 ft·lbf (1,900 J) 170 gr (11 g) JHC 1,962 ft/s (598 m/s) 1,453 ft·lbf (1,970 J) 180 gr (12 g) SSP 1,968 ft/s (600 m/s) 1,548 ft·lbf (2,099 J) 200 gr (13 g) TMJ 1,675 ft/s (511 m/s) 1,246 ft·lbf (1,689 J) Test barrel length: 14 inches (360 mm) Source(s): Accurate Powder |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 12:49:35 PM EST
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Here's some 14" data on the 357 Maximum, which would be the closest thing. Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy 210 gr (14 g) Lead FNGC 1,649 ft/s (503 m/s) 1,268 ft·lbf (1,719 J) 158 gr (10 g) JHP 1,998 ft/s (609 m/s) 1,401 ft·lbf (1,900 J) 170 gr (11 g) JHC 1,962 ft/s (598 m/s) 1,453 ft·lbf (1,970 J) 180 gr (12 g) SSP 1,968 ft/s (600 m/s) 1,548 ft·lbf (2,099 J) 200 gr (13 g) TMJ 1,675 ft/s (511 m/s) 1,246 ft·lbf (1,689 J) Test barrel length: 14 inches (360 mm) Source(s): Accurate Powder Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I dont know if this has been posted already, but what does this bullet do coming out of various barrel lengths? And would 16" or longer be better? or is short barrels fine, like with .300 AAC? Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy 210 gr (14 g) Lead FNGC 1,649 ft/s (503 m/s) 1,268 ft·lbf (1,719 J) 158 gr (10 g) JHP 1,998 ft/s (609 m/s) 1,401 ft·lbf (1,900 J) 170 gr (11 g) JHC 1,962 ft/s (598 m/s) 1,453 ft·lbf (1,970 J) 180 gr (12 g) SSP 1,968 ft/s (600 m/s) 1,548 ft·lbf (2,099 J) 200 gr (13 g) TMJ 1,675 ft/s (511 m/s) 1,246 ft·lbf (1,689 J) Test barrel length: 14 inches (360 mm) Source(s): Accurate Powder |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 4:14:52 PM EST
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Not that impressive. Again, if not stuck to straight wall hunting laws, it’s meh. I’ll stick with 6.8. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I dont know if this has been posted already, but what does this bullet do coming out of various barrel lengths? And would 16" or longer be better? or is short barrels fine, like with .300 AAC? Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy 210 gr (14 g) Lead FNGC 1,649 ft/s (503 m/s) 1,268 ft·lbf (1,719 J) 158 gr (10 g) JHP 1,998 ft/s (609 m/s) 1,401 ft·lbf (1,900 J) 170 gr (11 g) JHC 1,962 ft/s (598 m/s) 1,453 ft·lbf (1,970 J) 180 gr (12 g) SSP 1,968 ft/s (600 m/s) 1,548 ft·lbf (2,099 J) 200 gr (13 g) TMJ 1,675 ft/s (511 m/s) 1,246 ft·lbf (1,689 J) Test barrel length: 14 inches (360 mm) Source(s): Accurate Powder Never assume. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 4:39:01 PM EST
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PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
Do not use .223 cases in .350 Legend chambers! The .350 has a larger diameter case just ahead of the extractor groove making it a rebated rim cartridge. Case head separation is a possibility using .223 brass. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 4:58:25 PM EST
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Posted: 2/2/2019 5:12:39 PM EST
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PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT Do not use .223 cases in .350 Legend chambers! The .350 has a larger diameter case just ahead of the extractor groove making it a rebated rim cartridge. Case head separation is a possibility using .223 brass. Edit ... https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-cases/223-Basic/ |
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