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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:18:13 PM EST
[#1]
Losing a war of attrition with Russia? Weird.
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:21:14 PM EST
[#2]
I thought it was Russia's war against Ukraine. It sure is hard to keep up.
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:23:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was Russia's war against Ukraine. It sure is hard to keep up. I thought it was USA's war against Russia? |
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:25:25 PM EST
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I thought Russia ran out of missiles and artillery like a year ago and the sanctions broke them and Ukraine was going to get Crimea back with the Spring Offensive..
Not that I want Russia to win. Its just that reality is quite different from what the propagandists were spreading. Seems Russian and Ukraine news is chock full of shit. Can't believe either side |
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:25:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was USA's war against Russia? According to some here its a war against globohomo |
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:25:56 PM EST
[#6]
Ukraine was never going to win the war.
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:31:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Russia ran out of missiles and artillery like a year ago and the sanctions broke them and Ukraine was going to get Crimea back with the Spring Offensive.. Not that I want Russia to win. Its just that reality is quite different from what the propagandists were spreading. Seems Russian and Ukraine news is chock full of shit. Can't believe either side https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/07/ukraine-war-live-updates-latest-news-on-russia-and-the-war-in-ukraine.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/20/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/22/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html |
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:35:47 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Losing a war of attrition with Russia? Weird. |
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:39:01 PM EST
[#9]
Where's the Ghost of Kyiv when you need him.
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:44:25 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was USA's war against Russia? I thought it was USA’s proxy war against a generation of young Ukrainian men. |
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:54:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where's the Ghost of Kyiv when you need him. GoRuck still has the shirts if you want one. Bahahahah |
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:55:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Russia ran out of missiles and artillery like a year ago and the sanctions broke them and Ukraine was going to get Crimea back with the Spring Offensive.. Not that I want Russia to win. Its just that reality is quite different from what the propagandists were spreading. Seems Russian and Ukraine news is chock full of shit. Can't believe either side |
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Posted: 12/26/2023 10:57:42 PM EST
[#13]
According to MSNBC, it’s Israel’s war against Hamas.
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Posted: 12/26/2023 11:00:52 PM EST
[#14]
lol "Ukraine's war against Russia."
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Posted: 12/26/2023 11:06:16 PM EST
[#15]
Will be funny if we just spent billions helping train the russians to streamline procurement, reduce corruption, and overall increase their military’s abilities.
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Posted: 12/27/2023 12:12:31 AM EST
[#16]
How did anyone think Ukraine was going to win?
The West is run by idiots. The US and Europe has serious internal issues at every level of society. There is no eagerness in Western countries for a war with Russia. The war is essentially over. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 12:19:51 AM EST
[#17]
I kinda feel bad for the average Ukranian that remembers hearing about Russia starving his great grandfather to death and the US pushing it under the rug because it was convenient at the time to do so for foreign policy reasons now watching his family get killed by Russians and the US pushing it under the rug because it is convenient at this time to do so for foreign policy reasons.
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Posted: 12/27/2023 12:55:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will be funny if we just spent billions helping train the russians to streamline procurement, reduce corruption, and overall increase their military’s abilities. They don't have the money. There's a reason the T-14 tank and Su-57 fighter jet was never built outside of a few prototypes, and their hypersonic missiles were only built with funding from India. Their GDP is 15x smaller than ours. We have states with more money. Additionally, they don't have the skilled workers. Their education system collapsed with the USSR and the last Soviet educated workers will be retiring soon. When this stuff is gone, for the most part, it's gone. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 12:59:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did anyone think Ukraine was going to win? The West is run by idiots. The US and Europe has serious internal issues at every level of society. There is no eagerness in Western countries for a war with Russia. The war is essentially over. Ukraine is winning. 83% of the country is outside of Russia's control which is far more than they wanted..which was zero.   Notice the dates on those propaganda statements by Tovarisch Douglass.  
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Posted: 12/27/2023 1:07:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will be funny if we just spent billions helping train the russians to streamline procurement, reduce corruption, and overall increase their military’s abilities. It didn't cost them anything, either. No 350k dead. No 1/4 of the BSF gone. Nope. No losses there.
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Posted: 12/27/2023 1:09:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol "Ukraine's war against Russia." |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 1:10:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is interesting to go back and read some of CNBC's previous Ukraine War updates from just a few months ago. The coverage had an entirely different tone to it. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/07/ukraine-war-live-updates-latest-news-on-russia-and-the-war-in-ukraine.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/20/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/22/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html Interesting phrasing OP. Why is it "Ukraine's war against Russia"? Why the choice of words? |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 8:50:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting phrasing OP. Why is it "Ukraine's war against Russia"? Why the choice of words?    Do you how I know you didn't bother clicking the link and reading the original article? The thread title is the title of the article; I just copied and pasted it from the website. The "Ukraine's war" phrasing was CNBC's words, not mine. The lack of self-awareness of the UkieBros never ceases to amaze me. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 8:52:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was USA's war against Russia? No, its Democrats war against America. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 8:56:28 AM EST
[#25]
URK trusting NeoCons this close to an election year....
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Posted: 12/27/2023 8:56:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you how I know you didn't bother clicking the link and reading the original article? The thread title is the title of the article; I just copied and pasted it from the website. The "Ukraine's war" phrasing was CNBC's words, not mine. The lack of self-awareness of the UkieBros never ceases to amaze me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting phrasing OP. Why is it "Ukraine's war against Russia"? Why the choice of words? Do you how I know you didn't bother clicking the link and reading the original article? The thread title is the title of the article; I just copied and pasted it from the website. The "Ukraine's war" phrasing was CNBC's words, not mine. The lack of self-awareness of the UkieBros never ceases to amaze me. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 8:57:58 AM EST
[#27]
The putin pissbaby wikipedia experts gonna be all up in this.
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:00:34 AM EST
[#28]
Hopefully they keep killing each other by the pile for years to come. When 2 corrupt shit hole countries destroy each other it’s good for everyone.
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:01:07 AM EST
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I’ve been one of the more vocal anti-Russia people, because fuck Russia, but anyone who thought this would go differently is being a big silly pants. I feel for the Ukrainian people but all I really wanted from this was to catch Russia’s dick in the door as badly as possible and make dumb shit like this hurt and be discouraged. Anything further was always a Hail Mary effort.
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:02:29 AM EST
[#30]
Use whatever language you want, but it sounds like UKr is done assuming the US is pulling financial aid. The biggest sign will be if UKr broker a deal real soon regarding land. Then you know UKr knows they're done.
Was the money sent to UKr a loan or gift? |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:04:29 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How hard they try to fling feces is pretty amusing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting phrasing OP. Why is it "Ukraine's war against Russia"? Why the choice of words? Do you how I know you didn't bother clicking the link and reading the original article? The thread title is the title of the article; I just copied and pasted it from the website. The "Ukraine's war" phrasing was CNBC's words, not mine. The lack of self-awareness of the UkieBros never ceases to amaze me. Almost as self aware as those tough ass Russian subs that were made to bounce off underwater mountains. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:06:52 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How hard they try to fling feces is pretty amusing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting phrasing OP. Why is it "Ukraine's war against Russia"? Why the choice of words? Do you how I know you didn't bother clicking the link and reading the original article? The thread title is the title of the article; I just copied and pasted it from the website. The "Ukraine's war" phrasing was CNBC's words, not mine. The lack of self-awareness of the UkieBros never ceases to amaze me. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:08:09 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost as self aware as those tough ass Russian subs that were made to bounce off underwater mountains. Or those Elite Rapping Black Berets. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:09:05 AM EST
[#34]
The Ukraine was never going to win. I'm not sure why so many here thought there would be a different outcome.
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:10:33 AM EST
[#35]
The neo-clowns are trying to shift forces to Israel.
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:11:54 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine was never going to win the war. They are winning now.... |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:13:57 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine was never going to win the war. I do think at least one of Russias objectives was to conquer the entirety of Ukraine. If they are able to hang onto most of their territory after the war, that's probably a win for them. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:14:10 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost as self aware as those tough ass Russian subs that were made to bounce off underwater mountains. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting phrasing OP. Why is it "Ukraine's war against Russia"? Why the choice of words? Do you how I know you didn't bother clicking the link and reading the original article? The thread title is the title of the article; I just copied and pasted it from the website. The "Ukraine's war" phrasing was CNBC's words, not mine. The lack of self-awareness of the UkieBros never ceases to amaze me. Almost as self aware as those tough ass Russian subs that were made to bounce off underwater mountains. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2022/03/02/heres-the-damage-the-submarine-connecticut-sustained-when-it-hit-an-undersea-mountain/ |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:17:14 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't have the money. There's a reason the T-14 tank and Su-57 fighter jet was never built outside of a few prototypes, and their hypersonic missiles were only built with funding from India. Their GDP is 15x smaller than ours. We have states with more money. Additionally, they don't have the skilled workers. Their education system collapsed with the USSR and the last Soviet educated workers will be retiring soon. When this stuff is gone, for the most part, it's gone. Like the fact that according to those nefarious Russian shills at the...CIA, Russia's GDP when adjusted for real value of goods and services in US dollars is larger than that of every other NATO country besides Germany and the US, and isn't that far behind the Krauts. Russia is not going bankrupt any time soon, and they are not going to conveniently fade away. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:18:25 AM EST
[#40]
This has been a big win for pretty much everyone, except Ukraine.
The MIC is selling a ton of stuff to send to UKR, replenish stocks (though I know the US is mostly sending unused/older stuff), Europe is buying more/new equipment, and other countries that typically bought Russian equipment are looking toward the US/EU/SK. Win. Russia is still selling energy. China and India are getting Russian oil at a discounted rate, or moving Russian oil as trans-shipment point/reselling. Iran and DPRK are making money off their arms/drone shipments. Other than the US/EU blowing a bunch of money, UKR is really the only one getting the shit end of the stick on this. Though there are some less than pleased Russian families, but their children likely would have died from stroke/alcoholism young anyway, and track suit sales are down. |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:18:29 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was USA's war against Russia? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought it was Russia's war against Ukraine. It sure is hard to keep up. I thought it was USA's war against Russia?  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:19:44 AM EST
[#42]
Odds can be increased if the USofA pumps more trillion billions into there...
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:20:18 AM EST
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:22:10 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I do think at least one of Russias objectives was to conquer the entirety of Ukraine. If they are able to hang onto most of their territory after the war, that's probably a win for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukraine was never going to win the war. I do think at least one of Russias objectives was to conquer the entirety of Ukraine. If they are able to hang onto most of their territory after the war, that's probably a win for them. Don’t kid yourself…FP is trying to get all pre1980 on us. It’s not working out for him yet but he keeps trying. 
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:24:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, its Democrats war against America. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought it was USA's war against Russia? No, its Democrats war against America. Accurate... |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:24:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you show your ass to everyone https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2022/03/02/heres-the-damage-the-submarine-connecticut-sustained-when-it-hit-an-undersea-mountain/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting phrasing OP. Why is it "Ukraine's war against Russia"? Why the choice of words? Do you how I know you didn't bother clicking the link and reading the original article? The thread title is the title of the article; I just copied and pasted it from the website. The "Ukraine's war" phrasing was CNBC's words, not mine. The lack of self-awareness of the UkieBros never ceases to amaze me. Almost as self aware as those tough ass Russian subs that were made to bounce off underwater mountains. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2022/03/02/heres-the-damage-the-submarine-connecticut-sustained-when-it-hit-an-undersea-mountain/ 11 sailors hurt, command staff all fired and only going to take a few years to repair the sub. Minor damage, like a parking lot fender bender, shit we don't even need to call the cops or exchange insurance information |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:25:21 AM EST
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CNBC is now Russian propaganda.
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:26:09 AM EST
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AHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:26:41 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't have the money. There's a reason the T-14 tank and Su-57 fighter jet was never built outside of a few prototypes, and their hypersonic missiles were only built with funding from India. Their GDP is 15x smaller than ours. We have states with more money. Additionally, they don't have the skilled workers. Their education system collapsed with the USSR and the last Soviet educated workers will be retiring soon. When this stuff is gone, for the most part, it's gone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will be funny if we just spent billions helping train the russians to streamline procurement, reduce corruption, and overall increase their military’s abilities. They don't have the money. There's a reason the T-14 tank and Su-57 fighter jet was never built outside of a few prototypes, and their hypersonic missiles were only built with funding from India. Their GDP is 15x smaller than ours. We have states with more money. Additionally, they don't have the skilled workers. Their education system collapsed with the USSR and the last Soviet educated workers will be retiring soon. When this stuff is gone, for the most part, it's gone. I've always LOL at the "Hypersonic" missiles. In my opinion the Indians got scammed. It's nothing but a Mig-31 launched Iskander-M....LOL |
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Posted: 12/27/2023 9:27:30 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This has been a big win for pretty much everyone, except Ukraine. The MIC is selling a ton of stuff to send to UKR, replenish stocks (though I know the US is mostly sending unused/older stuff), Europe is buying more/new equipment, and other countries that typically bought Russian equipment are looking toward the US/EU/SK. Win. Russia is still selling energy. China and India are getting Russian oil at a discounted rate, or moving Russian oil as trans-shipment point/reselling. Iran and DPRK are making money off their arms/drone shipments. Other than the US/EU blowing a bunch of money, UKR is really the only one getting the shit end of the stick on this. Though there are some less than pleased Russian families, but their children likely would have died from stroke/alcoholism young anyway, and track suit sales are down. Oh? |
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