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Posted: 5/31/2017 10:51:05 PM EDT
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And I bet we are going to wind up with a lot of movies of shit blowing up/falling apart/failing to fly, much like the early days of aviation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We're seeing a slow-paced version of the early days of aviation. Companies trying to make it into space for fun and profit... expect a lot of failures but a revolution in the end. |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 10:51:41 PM EDT
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Just because you can.....
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Posted: 5/31/2017 10:52:41 PM EDT
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Since i duped I'll add my post here 
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/199158/landscape-1496250796-dbk3ltru0ae3rta-220731.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/199158/gallery-1496253795-strato-leaves-hangar1-website-220732.JPG This is the rocket it will be carrying 3 of!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXpcXfaCVQEQuote HistoryQuoted:
Since i duped I'll add my post here
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/199158/landscape-1496250796-dbk3ltru0ae3rta-220731.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/199158/gallery-1496253795-strato-leaves-hangar1-website-220732.JPG The gargantuan Stratolaunch carrier aircraft, built by Scaled Composites and nicknamed the "Roc," has the longest wingspan of any aircraft ever built: 385 feet from tip to tip. The six-engine mothership is designed to carry rockets between its two fuselages. Once at altitude, the mega-plane will drop the launch vehicle, which will then fire its boosters and launch to space from the air. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXpcXfaCVQE |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 10:54:44 PM EDT
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What do you bet it breaks apart on flight? That looks flimsy as hell
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Posted: 5/31/2017 10:56:17 PM EDT
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I'm sure they've done all the calculations but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that thing.
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Posted: 5/31/2017 10:56:41 PM EDT
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I've talked to them. 60 hr minimum work week for about 1/2 what you would make working anywhere else. "Working at Space X" is a large part of their compensation package. Their burn out rate for employees is staggering. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I've talked to them. 60 hr minimum work week for about 1/2 what you would make working anywhere else. "Working at Space X" is a large part of their compensation package. Their burn out rate for employees is staggering. Quoted:
I've sent my CV to Space-X a couple of times. Hey, I can dream  
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:02:52 PM EDT
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What do you bet it breaks apart on flight? That looks flimsy as hell If anything the airframe would be reinforced. Still, I'm looking for the why |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:28:43 PM EDT
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It's designed and built by Scaled Composites - aka Burt Rutan. I'd put my ass in ANY airplane he's designed and not worry about it. This is just big brother to Boomerang and White Knight 2. |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:34:49 PM EDT
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40 years after the Conroy Virtus was proposed. For scale,those would have been 2 B-52 fuselages. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Virtus_dropping_orbiter.png/300px-Virtus_dropping_orbiter.png |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:36:21 PM EDT
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EXACTLY what I was thinking! Howard Hughes is masturbating in his grave right now |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:38:53 PM EDT
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Form follows function.
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:40:09 PM EDT
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It's true mission is to ship Rosie O'Donnell to Canada...  |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:41:01 PM EDT
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that does not look structurally sound... |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:42:44 PM EDT
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Damn we got a whole lot of aeronautical engineers on this forum. I never knew. |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:49:35 PM EDT
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Eeeewwwwww!!! That's s a freakingly ugly albatross!!!!...  |
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Posted: 5/31/2017 11:56:06 PM EDT
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I agree. I am no rocket engineer, but I am an engineer. There are better launch platforms you can buy cheaper than build, that come with proven engineering. Why would they come up with something like that, with major disadvantages in the design? Looks like a N. Koren mock up of a prototype. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 12:12:11 AM EDT
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Rutan and the Scaled folks know their stuff, but a lot of it is U2/SR71/Voyager type stuff- purpose built to achieve one thing at the expense of all other areas of capability. I'd be happy to fly in that thing with a Bob Hoover type pilot, but not a Chuck Yeager. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I agree. I am no rocket engineer, but I am an engineer. There are better launch platforms you can buy cheaper than build, that come with proven engineering. Why would they come up with something like that, with major disadvantages in the design? Looks like a N. Koren mock up of a prototype. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 12:46:46 AM EDT
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That's a Scaled Composites craft, there's literally no other aerospace company I would trust more as an engineer to have figured out the problems in such a design. I know it looks different but so did the Concorde.
The main benefits of this kind of platform is that (a) you can build the rocket nozzles much more efficiently since they don't have to function near full atmospheric pressure and (b) your launch windows are enormous and it is much easier to rendezvous quickly with a variety of satellites in existing orbits. Interesting precedent that I didn't know about until just now - in the 1970's the USAF launched a freaking Minuteman out of the back of a C-5! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b8LLcdBaQc |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 12:54:32 AM EDT
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All that just to heave a piece of shit "spacecraft" into suborbital flight for a few seconds to rip off stupid passengers. What a winning business model.
Virgin "Galactic" my ass. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 12:57:29 AM EDT
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Is there some sort of aerodynamic function that is met by making it look less rigid than a patio umbrella?
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Posted: 6/1/2017 12:57:46 AM EDT
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I'm actually NOT an aerospace engineer, but I have taken enough college math and physics to know that without a stabilized tail like the P-38 Lightening http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.d_uMmMeOCJk3WAp82PmGiwEsDZ&w=261&h=189&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&dpr=1.01&pid=1.7 ......that brace between the two fuselages is going to have to be made out of solid titanium infused unobtanium to withstand the X-Y-Z axis stresses of flight, wind gust, weather, weight of 3 rockets and their aerodynamics, computer error, pilot error, etc. If this thing gets off the ground at all it will have a shorter flight hr log than than Howard Hughs' Spruce Goose.
Only THREE non-stop flights around the globe? Psssh.... |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:03:08 AM EDT
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Looks like a B1 mated with a 747 and had a retarded conjoined kid. I wonder how thick that center section is, and if it's honeycomb construction or something similar High speed harmonic and flutter tests should be interesting, as will be gust response. I wonder how many successful launches from this platform will be required to make it a cost-effective alternative to a first-stage booster rocket. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:03:57 AM EDT
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Simulations are not real. Real operating conditions are all that count. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:04:11 AM EDT
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You have Paul Allen confused with Richard Branson, this is a different company entirely.
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All that just to heave a piece of shit "spacecraft" into suborbital flight for a few seconds to rip off stupid passengers. What a winning business model.
Virgin "Galactic" my ass. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:07:49 AM EDT
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You think Paul Allen doesn't know how to properly simulate an aircraft design? How to test it for structural integrity under aerodynamic forces? You heard it here first. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:08:38 AM EDT
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I dunno, looks more to me like the bastard offspring of Voyager and an Antonov Condor. With that wingspan, and the carriage of a heavy load between the fuselage, those wings will flap like a fucking vulture fleeing highway roadkill from an oncoming semi. High speed harmonic and flutter tests should be interesting, as will be gust response. I wonder how many successful launches from this platform will be required to make it a cost-effective alternative to a first-stage booster rocket. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:10:53 AM EDT
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You have Paul Allen confused with Richard Branson, this is a different company entirely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All that just to heave a piece of shit "spacecraft" into suborbital flight for a few seconds to rip off stupid passengers. What a winning business model.
Virgin "Galactic" my ass. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:11:17 AM EDT
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The twin tail booms should be connected via the horizontal stabilizer. You heard it here first. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:11:22 AM EDT
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I'm actually NOT an aerospace engineer, but I have taken enough college math and physics to know that without a stabilized tail like the P-38 Lightening http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.d_uMmMeOCJk3WAp82PmGiwEsDZ&w=261&h=189&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&dpr=1.01&pid=1.7 ......that brace between the two fuselages is going to have to be made out of solid titanium infused unobtanium to withstand the X-Y-Z axis stresses of flight, wind gust, weather, weight of 3 rockets and their aerodynamics, computer error, pilot error, etc. If this thing gets off the ground at all it will have a shorter flight hr log than than Howard Hughs' Spruce Goose. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:12:13 AM EDT
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Nice
We're seeing a slow-paced version of the early days of aviation. Companies trying to make it into space for fun and profit... expect a lot of failures but a revolution in the end. When some new space company de-orbits 4 seconds too soon and the pressure hull lands in the middle of Metropolis taking out 12 blocks, people wont be amused. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:12:49 AM EDT
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Dargh, I'm GeeDee dumfuk and me's dont think dat plain can flie cause it lerks funnie
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:13:03 AM EDT
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This does not inspire confidence
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:13:39 AM EDT
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You are correct, I hadn't even heard of this particular idiotic business model before. Good luck with all this garbage to launch a mini "dream chaser". |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:19:24 AM EDT
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Computers controlling thrust, tail synchronicity... We might all be in for a pleasant shock.
MAGA, and I don't care even if the dude is a flaming lib. Watch what this aircraft does. It's good for US. 
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Posted: 6/1/2017 2:07:52 AM EDT
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I would not say this is the worlds largest aircraft.
Wingspan yes. AN 225 is still bigger |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 2:18:38 AM EDT
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Ah, Scaled Composites.
I thought Burt Rutan as soon as I saw it. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 2:25:53 AM EDT
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I would not say this is the worlds largest aircraft. Wingspan yes. AN 225 is still bigger Stratolaunch weight: 1,200,000 lb Define bigger? Scratch that, trying to find better numbers for empty weight, journalists are throwing around different numbers. AN 225 Max Takeoff weight: 1,410,958 lb Stratolaunch Max Takeoff weight: 1,300,000 lb Can't find the actual dry weight though, probably because they don't know yet. They said they fabricated 200,000 lbs of carbon fiber composites for the bird already! Damn. Edit: more comparisons AN 225 6x engines at 51,600 lbf each Stratolaunch 6x engines at 46,000-66,500 lbf each |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 2:40:28 AM EDT
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Like this piece of junk?
http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/usa/scaled_globalflyer.jpg Only THREE non-stop flights around the globe? Psssh.... Now add 2 cockpits, and 3 heavyass rockets, and NO center support and see how far you get. Let us know how your flight went with those unsupported tailfins kicking like a kid learning to dogpaddle with a bag of tire weights strapped to its belly , ok? |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 2:42:02 AM EDT
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Even this had a conjoined tail. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 2:50:05 AM EDT
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that does not look structurally sound... |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 2:52:05 AM EDT
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How many moabs could you hang in the middle.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 2:52:31 AM EDT
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I'm not sure whether to laugh or be depressed at the attitudes in here.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 3:05:10 AM EDT
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How many moabs could you hang in the middle. Oh my God, imagine the Arclight strike with that. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 3:07:30 AM EDT
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WOW!
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Posted: 6/1/2017 3:14:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/1/2017 3:16:31 AM EDT
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looks like 2 queer planes holding hands as they fly.....  
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Posted: 6/1/2017 3:22:29 AM EDT
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And I bet we are going to wind up with a lot of movies of shit blowing up/falling apart/failing to fly, much like the early days of aviation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We're seeing a slow-paced version of the early days of aviation. Companies trying to make it into space for fun and profit... expect a lot of failures but a revolution in the end. Seeing as how everybody reading this is likely using as much computing power as all of 1960 NASA had access to, probably not. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 3:34:48 AM EDT
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The rocket that will make best use of this platform is likely still in development, just like there weren't any boxcars or coal carriers when the first locomotives started to putter across the English landscape. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are correct, I hadn't even heard of this particular idiotic business model before. Good luck with all this garbage to launch a mini "dream chaser". |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 3:38:37 AM EDT
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On the XPrize launches they used a rocket with a "feathering" rear section. Rutan's design there was genius. A lift vehicle that could reenter the atmosphere sans any special heat shielding like on the early capsules and shuttles. My guess here is this rig will eventually be used as a people shuttle. Leave Musk to lift tonnage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are correct, I hadn't even heard of this particular idiotic business model before. Good luck with all this garbage to launch a mini "dream chaser". The same genius mechanism killed a test pilot and damn near killed another on SS2, when it unlocked at speed. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 3:51:26 AM EDT
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http://www.air-and-space.com/20041004%20Mojave/DSC_4325%20White%20Knight%20N318SL%20SpaceShipOne%20N328KF%20right%20side%20take-off%20m.jpg
Rutan's White Knight and the rocket that won the X Prize competition. Note that it's tail sections are not conjoined. |
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