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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:47:15 PM EDT
[#1]
Things stay more normal than you think. Look at any country that experienced and lost a large scale conflict.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:47:39 PM EDT
[#2]
All depends on who has the most caps
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:48:11 PM EDT
[#3]
It would be total chaos and you would be able to keep whatever you're able to hold on to by means of violence. Eventually things would settle down and communities would spring back up but it's going to be many bloody years down the road.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:51:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Things stay more normal than you think. Look at any country that experienced and lost a large scale conflict. The issue not faced yet on a large scale is radiation. Imagine fallout making crops unsafe. How do you come back from that when your farmland can't produce food for a nation? |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:52:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All depends on who has the most caps .I understood that reference |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:52:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Things stay more normal than you think. Look at any country that experienced and lost a large scale conflict. Much doubt. A total nuclear exchange between Russia and the United States and you’ll wake up in a very different world…. If you survive at all. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:53:47 PM EDT
[#7]
All those military aged illegals will show their colors pretty quickly
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:54:11 PM EDT
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Yeah the stock exchange won’t be opening. You’ll largely be on your own. It’s a nightmare scenario, not a fantasy.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:54:17 PM EDT
[#9]
Nuclear war isn't the magic eraser its been hyped up to be. One bank or another will still own all your shit when its over.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:54:47 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Much doubt. A total nuclear exchange between Russia and the United States and you’ll wake up in a very different world…. If you survive at all. even after a very limited exchange the hammer will fall...the sickle will follow soon after |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:56:58 PM EDT
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It would be a good opportunity to destroy those types of records, if somebody was into that. They'd have to get them all though.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The issue not faced yet on a large scale is radiation. Imagine fallout making crops unsafe. How do you come back from that when your farmland can't produce food for a nation? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Things stay more normal than you think. Look at any country that experienced and lost a large scale conflict. The issue not faced yet on a large scale is radiation. Imagine fallout making crops unsafe. How do you come back from that when your farmland can't produce food for a nation? I think farmland would be toast, as would all surviving cattle, hogs, etc. They’d be unsafe to eat. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:58:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All those military aged illegals will show their colors pretty quickly I wouldn't wait for government assistance to correct them, either. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:58:27 PM EDT
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How large scale?
How dirty is the fallout. 90% of Americans would be dead in the first year and I would probably get shot in the gut by a 13 year old kid with a 22lr stealing my chickens… Heck of a reset |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:58:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nuclear war isn't the magic eraser its been hyped up to be. One bank or another will still own all your shit when its over. Their ability to collect is another thing. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:00:03 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Their ability to collect is another thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nuclear war isn't the magic eraser its been hyped up to be. One bank or another will still own all your shit when its over. Their ability to collect is another thing. Never count out the IRS. They will be the last surviving entity on earth. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:00:31 PM EDT
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The answer is held in the term "continuity of government." If that exists, then legal claims still hold up
(though they may get modified by legislation, like student loans getting dismissed do.) Nearly every time a country experiences a revolution or major change in government, one of the first things they do is pass a law recognizing continuity of government. Without it, all claims of titles on property, etc go away and continuing operations would be nearly impossible (no one is going to invest/support infrastructure if the lose ownership.) It'd take quite the war to wipe out every county recorder in the US. I could see some areas so obliterated that property is meaningless, though. Economies will be duly fucked regardless with an all out nuclear war, presumably they'd revert to local bartering among survivors. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:01:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All depends on who has the most caps .The cola must flow |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:01:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be a good opportunity to destroy those types of records, if somebody was into that. They'd have to get them all though. It would likely be more difficult to destroy every last digital and physical backup of financial records than it would be to render Earth mostly uninhabitable to human life using nuclear weapons. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:02:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nuclear war isn't the magic eraser its been hyped up to be. One bank or another will still own all your shit when its over. No they won’t because all the financial record are on computers. There will likely be no power, no internet and self determined law enforcement. Even if somehow the digital records survived, there would be nobody to enforce loans, deeds, or any other centralized law. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:03:03 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How large scale? How dirty is the fallout. 90% of Americans would be dead in the first year and I would probably get shot in the gut by a 13 year old kid with a 22lr stealing my chickens… Heck of a reset Irradiated chikuns at that!
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:03:23 PM EDT
[#22]
Yes.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:03:28 PM EDT
[#23]
When one bird flies, they all fly.
You're talking 14k war heads on each side between the US and Russia alone. We’re all dead. And by all, I mean the entire planet. It’s a reset alright. lol |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:03:31 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never count out the IRS. They will be the last surviving entity on earth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nuclear war isn't the magic eraser its been hyped up to be. One bank or another will still own all your shit when its over. Their ability to collect is another thing. Never count out the IRS. They will be the last surviving entity on earth. They do have a manual for 10.6.1 Overview of Continuity Planning. As in they're straight up prepped and trained for nuclear war. So taxes can continue to be levied and collected. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:03:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Three airplanes crashing into buildings totally reset the economy.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:04:09 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The answer is held in the term "continuity of government." If that exists, then legal claims still hold up (though they may get modified by legislation, like student loans getting dismissed do.) Nearly every time a country experiences a revolution or major change in government, one of the first things they do is pass a law recognizing continuity of government. Without it, all claims of titles on property, etc go away and continuing operations would be nearly impossible (no one is going to invest/support infrastructure if the lose ownership.) It'd take quite the war to wipe out every county recorder in the US. I could see some areas so obliterated that property is meaningless, though. Economies will be duly fucked regardless with an all out nuclear war, presumably they'd revert to local bartering among survivors. In a full on nuclear exchange the definition of government could shift. Is there a US government? Probably. Do they have the ability to project power across the entire continent and hold onto land? Maybe not. Authority with no ability to enforce compliance is not a government in the traditional sense of the word. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:04:22 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No they won’t because all the financial record are on computers. There will likely be no power, no internet and self determined law enforcement. Even if somehow the digital records survived, there would be nobody to enforce loans, deeds, or any other centralized law. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nuclear war isn't the magic eraser its been hyped up to be. One bank or another will still own all your shit when its over. No they won’t because all the financial record are on computers. There will likely be no power, no internet and self determined law enforcement. Even if somehow the digital records survived, there would be nobody to enforce loans, deeds, or any other centralized law. Nor would they probably give a shit if they did somehow manage to survive. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:05:05 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Much doubt. A total nuclear exchange between Russia and the United States and you’ll wake up in a very different world…. If you survive at all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Things stay more normal than you think. Look at any country that experienced and lost a large scale conflict. Much doubt. A total nuclear exchange between Russia and the United States and you’ll wake up in a very different world…. If you survive at all. This.. Your credit rating won't matter much in a large scale conflict. food, water, medicine & ammo will have value, not much else will. After fallout kicks in it will only take a couple weeks for us to be "reset" into midevil times. hunger, disease & death... Fun times. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:05:16 PM EDT
[#29]
Subway would be $5 again.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:05:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Things stay more normal than you think. Look at any country that experienced and lost a large scale conflict. Dude, we couldnt even handle a reduction in toilet paper access. Our economy is frail. Our goverment just fixes it as long as it can. Any huge 9/11 type thing will melt your 401’s. We are a house of cards that hasnt been knocked over. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:05:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Absolutely it would be global
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:07:40 PM EDT
[#32]
Long before we amassed so much redundant digital storage, there were, and probably still are, disused coal mines in Central PA stuffed with, among many other things, lenders’ deed records.
No one is walking away Scott free of their financial obligations post conflagration. You won’t be able to pay, they will foreclose, and so many more will become permanent renters on the manor proper. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:07:46 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Three airplanes crashing into buildings totally reset the economy. One could argue the world changed. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:08:37 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Three airplanes crashing into buildings totally reset the economy. So did an overblown pandemic. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:08:50 PM EDT
[#35]
Anybody you owe money to usually has almost a magic sense of getting it out of you, even after a nuclear holocaust.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:08:54 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One could argue the world changed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Three airplanes crashing into buildings totally reset the economy. One could argue the world changed. It did indeed, and for the worse in every way that I can think of. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:09:27 PM EDT
[#37]
There is no reset coming.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:10:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:10:50 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They do have a manual for 10.6.1 Overview of Continuity Planning. As in they're straight up prepped and trained for nuclear war. So taxes can continue to be levied and collected. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nuclear war isn't the magic eraser its been hyped up to be. One bank or another will still own all your shit when its over. Their ability to collect is another thing. Never count out the IRS. They will be the last surviving entity on earth. They do have a manual for 10.6.1 Overview of Continuity Planning. As in they're straight up prepped and trained for nuclear war. So taxes can continue to be levied and collected. Well that blows. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:11:44 PM EDT
[#40]
No. Global Thermo-Nuclear War is not coming to save you from your bad decisions.
You think the Banks don’t have multiple backups? OTOH, hyperinflation would make your loans very easy to pay off, If you have income, and If they don’t revalue the loans in New Dollars. (Eventually, they would) |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:13:04 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So did an overblown pandemic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Three airplanes crashing into buildings totally reset the economy. So did an overblown pandemic. They both devalued the dollar, but reset? No. Not at all. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:13:42 PM EDT
[#42]
Mixed bag.
In the big cities - property tax records, liens, title records at those courthouse would most likely be destroyed - as would those properties. Out away from the targets, your typical small county courthouse / tax office isn't a nuclear weapon worthy target, thus those records would most likely still exist. I doubt Chase Manhattan bank will have a mortgage loan service department still in existence (financial or physical). But local lenders / tax authority may still expect local properties to continue paying Or a "National Freeze" for some period T.B.D. most likely would be announced by a Continuity of Government agency until things either "stabilized" or fell completely apart.  Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:15:24 PM EDT
[#43]
I don’t think anyone wins in that scenario.
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:16:03 PM EDT
[#44]
lol
at people who think the world would continue and not reset the economy United States, Russia ,China, France, the United Kingdom, Pakistan, India, Israel, and North Korea Everyone of these countries will launch in an all out war |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:16:20 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think farmland would be toast, as would all surviving cattle, hogs, etc. They’d be unsafe to eat. Deaths due to cancer caused by radiation would skyrocket, but people will eat what they cqn find and risk death rather than starve to death for certain. Our current standards of safety wouldn't exist any more. If the food resulted in the short term death of 50%, it would be considered good to eat. Maybe enough of the surviving 50% last long enough to reproduce, and maybe some of that generation get to rule what is left of the world. There will probably be pockets of survivors in isolated areas that will survive, in very desparate conditions. The old fiat debts of the ancien regime will not be collected, but most of those debtors will not survive. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:17:19 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that blows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nuclear war isn't the magic eraser its been hyped up to be. One bank or another will still own all your shit when its over. Their ability to collect is another thing. Never count out the IRS. They will be the last surviving entity on earth. They do have a manual for 10.6.1 Overview of Continuity Planning. As in they're straight up prepped and trained for nuclear war. So taxes can continue to be levied and collected. Well that blows. It does make me chuckle though. Really shows the federal priorities doesn't it? |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:18:36 PM EDT
[#47]
Wouldn’t care.
I’m financially secure, no matter what comes. I am sick to death of Lefties and their “useful idiots”, the never_TRUMPers, tearing this country down. I wouldn’t miss a single one. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:19:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It does make me chuckle though. Really shows the federal priorities doesn't it? Won't be worth the paper it's printed on |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:24:06 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Long before we amassed so much redundant digital storage, there were, and probably still are, disused coal mines in Central PA stuffed with, among many other things, lenders’ deed records. No one is walking away Scott free of their financial obligations post conflagration. You won’t be able to pay, they will foreclose, and so many more will become permanent renters on the manor proper. And what are those computers powered by? The electric grid will be gone. Diesel fuel will be gone. Gasoline will be gone. Who will be left to go into those caves to get records? Sure, there will be survivors, but those who are still alive aren’t going to be concerned with who owed what before the missiles were launched. It’s going to be everyone for themselves. We’re not talking about getting hit with a few 15 kiloton “Little Boys” like Hiroshima. This will be thousands of hits from devices that range into the megatons. Cities will be gone. Infrastructure gone. Washington DC will be a giant irradiated parking lot. So will NYC and all the major cities. Live down wind? You’re screwed. Do you depend on anything electrical? It likely won’t work. There is no returning to normal. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:24:52 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When one bird flies, they all fly. You're talking 14k war heads on each side between the US and Russia alone. We’re all dead. And by all, I mean the entire planet. Wrong |
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