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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:08:37 AM EDT
[#1]
Well, I won't vote for Hillary so it's that or abstain.
I'd have to give which I wanted to do some thought. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:10:55 AM EDT
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In the general? Absolutely. I will vote my heart and mind in the primary and vote my party in the general. Anyone who doesn't see the logic in that is only enabling the expedited destruction of this country. This |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:11:52 AM EDT
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I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
Plus I doubt America will vote for another Bush. EVER. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:12:46 AM EDT
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No, I won't vote to continue the oligarchy.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:15:05 AM EDT
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The hate for Jeb has in erased since his conversion to Catholicism
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:16:45 AM EDT
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The hate for Jeb has in erased since his conversion to Catholicism English version? |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:19:42 AM EDT
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Against hillary ? Of course . Against someone like Rand Paul ? Fuck no . I could live with this.......I guess.....maybe... |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:20:19 AM EDT
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Yep. This country cannot survive another 8 years of a raging socialist Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Against hillary ? Of course . Against someone like Rand Paul ? Fuck no . Yep. This country cannot survive another 8 years of a raging socialist That's where I stand |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:20:35 AM EDT
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If my only choice was socialist Hillary vs Bush, I'd hold my nose and vote for him.
I understand the temptation some have to not slow down the process of collapse, but the people who say let it fall apart seem to assume that what will arise out of the ashes after America burns, will be good. I do not. Even if he wasn't for amnesty, and might be a pretty decent President otherwise he can't win a General Election Because he is simply a "BOOSH" it will be too easy for the liberal press to demonize him so the LIV voters will think he is a monster. It will be like the press coverage back in 2006, 24/7 how they are an evil warmongering family. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:22:34 AM EDT
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I want a conservative, is that too much to ask .
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:23:30 AM EDT
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I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. Plus I doubt America will vote for another Bush. EVER. That's the first thought that enters my mind, every time I hear Jeb is going to run. The Bush name is poison, in American politics. (Note that I'm not saying if it SHOULD be or not, just that it is.) I would be astonished if he didn't lose in a landslide. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:25:01 AM EDT
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Against hillary ? Of course . Against someone like Rand Paul ? Fuck no . |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:26:47 AM EDT
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If my only choice was socialist Hillary vs Bush, I'd hold my nose and vote for him. I understand the temptation some have to not slow down the process of collapse, but the people who say let it fall apart seem to assume that what will arise out of the ashes after America burns, will be good. I do not. Even if he wasn't for amnesty, and might be a pretty decent President otherwise he can't win a General Election Because he is simply a "BOOSH" it will be too easy for the liberal press to demonize him so the LIV voters will think he is a monster. It will be like the press coverage back in 2006, 24/7 how they are an evil warmongering family. I'm not sure it CAN be avoided anymore. I'm in no hurry to get there, but I DO think it's not a matter of IF we'll get there, it's a matter of WHEN we'll get there. I think it has to burn, for any real change to occur. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:26:51 AM EDT
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Jeb Bush had an outstanding record on 2nd amendment issues while governor.
For example: http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2006/governor-jeb-bush-signs-nra-backed-br-p.aspx He is vastly preferable to any conceivable candidate the Democrats are likely to run. Voting for a third party candidate only increases the chances that we will be condemned to another 8 years of Hillary or the like. So yes, I would vote for Jeb Bush, warts on immigration and the bailouts notwithstanding. He's certainly not my first choice however. I will contribute $$ to Rand Paul, or Ted Cruz, or even Rick Perry in the primary to try and get a better candidate than Jeb Bush. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:41:50 AM EDT
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I'm not sure it CAN be avoided anymore. I'm in no hurry to get there, but I DO think it's not a matter of IF we'll get there, it's a matter of WHEN we'll get there. I think it has to burn, for any real change to occur. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If my only choice was socialist Hillary vs Bush, I'd hold my nose and vote for him. I understand the temptation some have to not slow down the process of collapse, but the people who say let it fall apart seem to assume that what will arise out of the ashes after America burns, will be good. I do not. Even if he wasn't for amnesty, and might be a pretty decent President otherwise he can't win a General Election Because he is simply a "BOOSH" it will be too easy for the liberal press to demonize him so the LIV voters will think he is a monster. It will be like the press coverage back in 2006, 24/7 how they are an evil warmongering family. I'm not sure it CAN be avoided anymore. I'm in no hurry to get there, but I DO think it's not a matter of IF we'll get there, it's a matter of WHEN we'll get there. I think it has to burn, for any real change to occur. The problem I have with that is simply what would come next. I think the chances of it actually being worse are very high. You let enough people go hungry for long enough and they'll agree to damn near anything just to feed their families. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:42:35 AM EDT
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No
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:46:04 AM EDT
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No kidding. I don't want another Bush in the white house but it would be better than Hillary or any other Dem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't believe the poll.  No kidding. I don't want another Bush in the white house but it would be better than Hillary or any other Dem. I'm convinced the R's are only ever kind of sort of actually conservative when a D is in power. Give them potus, House, and Senate and they massively expand the power and scope of fed.gov every goddamn time. If it really is Jeb or Chrispy Chream vs the Hildabeast, we'd get better results with her and some stubborn ass tea party Senators gridlocking this bitch than a liberal R and a chorus of yes men who refuse to not vote on party lines. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:47:56 AM EDT
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The problem I have with is simply what would come next. I think the chances of it actually being worse are very high. You let enough people go hungry for long enough and they'll agree to damn near anything just to feed their families. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If my only choice was socialist Hillary vs Bush, I'd hold my nose and vote for him. I understand the temptation some have to not slow down the process of collapse, but the people who say let it fall apart seem to assume that what will arise out of the ashes after America burns, will be good. I do not. Even if he wasn't for amnesty, and might be a pretty decent President otherwise he can't win a General Election Because he is simply a "BOOSH" it will be too easy for the liberal press to demonize him so the LIV voters will think he is a monster. It will be like the press coverage back in 2006, 24/7 how they are an evil warmongering family. I'm not sure it CAN be avoided anymore. I'm in no hurry to get there, but I DO think it's not a matter of IF we'll get there, it's a matter of WHEN we'll get there. I think it has to burn, for any real change to occur. The problem I have with is simply what would come next. I think the chances of it actually being worse are very high. You let enough people go hungry for long enough and they'll agree to damn near anything just to feed their families. That's what I worry about. What will rise out of such a destruction most likely will be an authoritarian state unlike anything Americans have ever lived under. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:59:20 AM EDT
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fuck no
No bush and no clinton fuck them both. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:07:46 AM EDT
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Yep, gonna be Hillary, sure as shit.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:08:03 AM EDT
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I'd vote for a tree stump against Hillary in the general.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:11:23 AM EDT
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I'm convinced the R's are only ever kind of sort of actually conservative when a D is in power. Give them potus, House, and Senate and they massively expand the power and scope of fed.gov every goddamn time. If it really is Jeb or Chrispy Chream vs the Hildabeast, we'd get better results with her and some stubborn ass tea party Senators gridlocking this bitch than a liberal R and a chorus of yes men who refuse to not vote on party lines. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:12:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd vote for a tree stump against Hillary in the general. It's no longer who you're voting for, it's who you're voting against.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:25:26 AM EDT
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General? Sure. Primary? No. Remmeber most arfcommers don't know the difference between a primary and general though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In the General. Remmeber most arfcommers don't know the difference between a primary and general though. True that! |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:35:29 AM EDT
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The problem I have with that is simply what would come next. I think the chances of it actually being worse are very high. You let enough people go hungry for long enough and they'll agree to damn near anything just to feed their families. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If my only choice was socialist Hillary vs Bush, I'd hold my nose and vote for him. I understand the temptation some have to not slow down the process of collapse, but the people who say let it fall apart seem to assume that what will arise out of the ashes after America burns, will be good. I do not. Even if he wasn't for amnesty, and might be a pretty decent President otherwise he can't win a General Election Because he is simply a "BOOSH" it will be too easy for the liberal press to demonize him so the LIV voters will think he is a monster. It will be like the press coverage back in 2006, 24/7 how they are an evil warmongering family. I'm not sure it CAN be avoided anymore. I'm in no hurry to get there, but I DO think it's not a matter of IF we'll get there, it's a matter of WHEN we'll get there. I think it has to burn, for any real change to occur. The problem I have with that is simply what would come next. I think the chances of it actually being worse are very high. You let enough people go hungry for long enough and they'll agree to damn near anything just to feed their families. Plus the population would still be the same stupid fucks who let it hit critical mass to begin with 
I don't think a collapse would result in glory days of any kind. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:38:25 AM EDT
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I think Hillary would lick Bush.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:43:34 AM EDT
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If it comes down to a Bush vs. Clinton general election, I will in all honesty, most likely give up on politics at the federal level. It will be the final straw for me, that our government is a complete shame and is merely a facade.
How anyone here, or anywhere, could support Bush is beyond insane. This country is not a fucking monarchy or oligarchy. Since when is it acceptable for 2 families to just pass around and hand down the POTUS to their family members? And all that aside, it's truly laughable that anyone would think anyone with the last name Bush is even remotely electable. People from both sides had a vitriolic hate and contempt for GW. You think that will all just go by the wayside and not carry over to Jeb? He is the literal definition of an "unelectable candidate" that so many here love to scream about. If he gets the nomination, it's because the GOP establishment is throwing the election because they cannot stomach the thought of someone like Rand getting it. How any of you could think that he has a chance against, well, pretty much anyone is a fucking joke. Do you not venture out into the real world much or what? |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:43:48 AM EDT
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Primary? Not a chance.
General? Yes Virginia will go blue, so my vote doesn't matter anymore. Hitlery or Fakeahountas is going to whip the ever loving shit out of any R that runs. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:47:50 AM EDT
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No, I do not like this dynasty crap. Da fuq has Jeb Bush done win the Repub. nomination? Hypothetical poll makes no sense. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:53:48 AM EDT
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I'm convinced the R's are only ever kind of sort of actually conservative when a D is in power. Give them potus, House, and Senate and they massively expand the power and scope of fed.gov every goddamn time. If it really is Jeb or Chrispy Chream vs the Hildabeast, we'd get better results with her and some stubborn ass tea party Senators gridlocking this bitch than a liberal R and a chorus of yes men who refuse to not vote on party lines. I'll quote as well. That was gloriously put. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:56:15 AM EDT
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The one time I'd say no to more bush.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:03:44 AM EDT
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Not just NO, but HELL NO.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:16:21 AM EDT
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I voted yes, but FPNI
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:21:51 AM EDT
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Yep. This country cannot survive another 8 years of a raging socialist Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Against hillary ? Of course . Against someone like Rand Paul ? Fuck no . Yep. This country cannot survive another 8 years of a raging socialist |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:24:10 AM EDT
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That's what I worry about. What will rise out of such a destruction most likely will be an authoritarian state unlike anything Americans have ever lived under. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If my only choice was socialist Hillary vs Bush, I'd hold my nose and vote for him. I understand the temptation some have to not slow down the process of collapse, but the people who say let it fall apart seem to assume that what will arise out of the ashes after America burns, will be good. I do not. Even if he wasn't for amnesty, and might be a pretty decent President otherwise he can't win a General Election Because he is simply a "BOOSH" it will be too easy for the liberal press to demonize him so the LIV voters will think he is a monster. It will be like the press coverage back in 2006, 24/7 how they are an evil warmongering family. I'm not sure it CAN be avoided anymore. I'm in no hurry to get there, but I DO think it's not a matter of IF we'll get there, it's a matter of WHEN we'll get there. I think it has to burn, for any real change to occur. The problem I have with is simply what would come next. I think the chances of it actually being worse are very high. You let enough people go hungry for long enough and they'll agree to damn near anything just to feed their families. That's what I worry about. What will rise out of such a destruction most likely will be an authoritarian state unlike anything Americans have ever lived under. Libya wanted Qadaffi gone, they got their wish. I wonder how many wish he was back in power. Scary thought, after a few years of Hillary, we might look nostalgic on the Obama terms. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:26:17 AM EDT
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No. And you fuckers aren't going to guilt me into it, either. I laughed. Otherwise, I'd cry. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:32:45 AM EDT
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If it comes down to a Bush vs. Clinton general election, I will in all honesty, most likely give up on politics at the federal level. It will be the final straw for me, that our government is a complete shame and is merely a facade. How anyone here, or anywhere, could support Bush is beyond insane. This country is not a fucking monarchy or oligarchy. Since when is it acceptable for 2 families to just pass around and hand down the POTUS to their family members? And all that aside, it's truly laughable that anyone would think anyone with the last name Bush is even remotely electable. People from both sides had a vitriolic hate and contempt for GW. You think that will all just go by the wayside and not carry over to Jeb? He is the literal definition of an "unelectable candidate" that so many here love to scream about. If he gets the nomination, it's because the GOP establishment is throwing the election because they cannot stomach the thought of someone like Rand getting it. How any of you could think that he has a chance against, well, pretty much anyone is a fucking joke. Do you not venture out into the real world much or what? You couldn't be any more wrong about Jeb Bush's electoral chances or popularity. You are merely projecting your own intense dislike of Bush and assuming everyone else shares it. In fact, nationally (out here in the "real world" beyond your mom's basement) not very many share your view. Polls show he is still very highly regarded in Florida, and would carry that State against Hillary. He does better against Clinton than any other potential GoP candidate, trailing by only a few points nationally, much better than Christie. Nationally, the public's memories of his brother doesn't seem to hurt him greatly. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:34:30 AM EDT
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No way Jose. I will not vote for someone who doesn't share my narrow and exacting ideology.
Hillary gets my vote so that "that other party" learns their lesson about what 'Muricans want!!1!11 |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:34:41 AM EDT
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In the general? Absolutely. I will vote my heart and mind in the primary and vote my party in the general. Anyone who doesn't see the logic in that is only enabling the expedited destruction of this country. This Like I said if both he and Hillary would sign off on amnesty for illegal immigrants it ends the same way. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:36:27 AM EDT
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Against Hillary or the Wookie, yes I would. Hate to say it, but I would.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:37:17 AM EDT
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He better not be in the General.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:39:56 AM EDT
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With so many people saying that they would not vote for Jeb Bush in the general (presumably against Hillary Clinton), we're screwed. Hillary in a landslide. What is the matter with all of you? The matter is we no longer believe in Santa Clause nor the supposed differences of the two party system. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:42:54 AM EDT
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No way Jose. I will not vote for someone who doesn't share my narrow and exacting ideology. Hillary gets my vote so that "that other party" learns their lesson about what 'Muricans want!!1!11 Yes, we've been so inflexible and unreasonable over the years. See this list. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, H.W. Bush, Dole, W. Bush, McCain, Romney. See a theme developing? |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:47:58 AM EDT
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Of course. This is a fairly simple thing to analyze. I'm merely in favor of preventing a theme that looks like:
Obama, Clinton, Clinton, Pelosi, etc. And of course the final blow to the Supreme Court that comes with it. There's what we want ideally, and what we have to work with as a reality. Long term, maybe there's a way out of the 2 party monopoly. Short term, lets just slow down the destruction. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yes, we've been so inflexible and unreasonable over the years. See this list. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, H.W. Bush, Dole, W. Bush, McCain, Romney. See a theme developing? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No way Jose. I will not vote for someone who doesn't share my narrow and exacting ideology. Hillary gets my vote so that "that other party" learns their lesson about what 'Muricans want!!1!11 Yes, we've been so inflexible and unreasonable over the years. See this list. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, H.W. Bush, Dole, W. Bush, McCain, Romney. See a theme developing? |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:50:40 AM EDT
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Why the fuck are there so many "No" answers?
I'm disappoint. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:55:54 AM EDT
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He is a classist. His mother is senile.
Wont vote for him. He'll never make it out of primaries. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:57:50 AM EDT
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The problem I have with that is simply what would come next. I think the chances of it actually being worse are very high. You let enough people go hungry for long enough and they'll agree to damn near anything just to feed their families. Absolutely. I agree completely. I'd like to avoid it, if at all possible. I'm just not convinced enough people think it WILL burn to make a difference. I think a whole lot of the public think we're "too big to fail". That's what's dooming us here. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:59:21 AM EDT
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Against hillary ? Of course . Against someone like Rand Paul ? Fuck no . |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:59:24 AM EDT
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He is a classist. His mother is senile. Wont vote for him. He'll never make it out of primaries. Agreed. Those talking about polling data are quite simply delusional. We are 7 months away from mid-term elections. Nobody is thinking about president right now. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 12:01:15 PM EDT
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I'd vote for a Bush over about any democrat likely to be nominated. But I would much rather vote for Rand Paul or Ted Cruz etc. If a progressive republican is running I will likely vote libertarian or constitution party, because my state is likely to go republican w/ or w/o my vote.
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