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Posted: 4/23/2023 6:22:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAnd Dremels will soon be illegal. As well as punches, hammers, rubber bands, etc. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 6:31:56 AM EDT
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Does this mean all the gang bangers running around with full auto glock switches will be getting 50 years?
Oh wait they don't care about actual crime. I forgot. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 6:39:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More importantly there’s no shortage of good boy Law and Order enjoyer bugmen that also think that the words “female penis” isn’t a non sequitur, who will convict based on nothing more than the animal magnetism of the prosecution. It’s just like TV! I’m the good boy! Female penis is a paradox. "I identify as a woman therefore I am a woman" is a non sequitur. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 6:47:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please officer, explain to the class what he did illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He got busted and kept talking shit and ended up with a 45 year sentence. I don't think my take is as retarded as his was.;) Please officer, explain to the class what he did illegal. Plenty of that in GD but that isn't a shock given that it's an open forum. Op proudly displays his thin blue line sticker on his Subaru in the hopes it gets him out of a ticket. I back the blue, brah! |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 7:11:11 AM EDT
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God dammit OP I had to read 5 pages to learn he hasn't been sentenced yet.
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Posted: 4/23/2023 8:24:48 AM EDT
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So, all I'd have to do is drop that card into a receiver and it'll be ready to get it on?
Neat. Oh, and OP, his name is Kristopher Justinboyer Ervin, you smarmy dickcheese. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 8:50:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes.. Right, left, straights. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's three kinds of tin snips? Yes.. Right, left, straights. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 8:59:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if they did it is irrelevant. Gasoline is an arson precursor. Arson is not an arson precursor. Arson is arson. A machine gun is not a thin piece of sheet metal. A machine gun is a gun with the sheet metal inside it that functions like a machine gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'll be your huckleberry: sure, it's a knife precursor, which is mildly interesting. Changing ANY of the actual facts of the case is silly. Stick to what he actually did - advertising a FA device for sale, providing the instructions (exactly dimensions etched into it) on a metal card of sufficient quality (?) to function. Guys, stop the obfuscation. At least give the guy some respect for doing what he thought was right. He unabashedly did it, knowing exactly what was what. The one I saw had no dimensions or instructions. It was just an outline drawing on a credit card shaped piece of metal. Don't know if that was his or somebody else's. Even if they did it is irrelevant. Gasoline is an arson precursor. Arson is not an arson precursor. Arson is arson. A machine gun is not a thin piece of sheet metal. A machine gun is a gun with the sheet metal inside it that functions like a machine gun. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 9:01:28 AM EDT
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to many keyboard pussies here that will gladly turn them in as ordered.
look how many ran for the brace anmesty lol, sad thing is the lightning link is a piece of shit anyway. all this over a piece of junk. the registered ones run like shit. break etc. junk contraption. Quote HistoryQuoted: The guy did nothing wrong. Interesting how many here are on the side of the ATF. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 9:19:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sad to see a bunch of people here gloating like they're happy about it. With friends like these who needs enemies. You don't see any such thing. You see some adults that see the world for how it is is, not how they wish it was. You can stamp your foot and have a tantrum all you want but that doesn't change anything. We live in a world where the gov will fuck you raw if cross them. This guy intentionally and knowingly fucked with the bull and got the horns. Right, wrong, whether you think it should be this way has nothing to do with it. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 9:24:28 AM EDT
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I wonder if you have a metal coat have and a ar15 you could be charged.
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Posted: 4/23/2023 9:29:21 AM EDT
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Those sheepishly saying they dislike the rulling while putting much more time in to denigrating the guy are well in to the "I support the 2A(and in this case 1A), but(add in the lengthy list of infringements they support)" zone
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Posted: 4/23/2023 9:31:55 AM EDT
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"Where is the line? That’s really a question you all will have to face,” Executive Assistant U.S. Attorney Laura Cofer Taylor told jurors Thursday afternoon, shortly before eight women and four men began deliberating."
He was doomed from the start Square piece of metal =/= machine gun. Defense attorney should have handed the metal to an ATF member and ask where the bullets go, and if it can't take bullets how is it a machine gun. This is just dumb and no one on this website should be OK with this outcome. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 9:37:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s three kinds of tin snips? Yep. I only have two of them. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 9:42:26 AM EDT
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So yes, this is wrong and he got screwed.
But...in his video, he actively says you can use this for full auto then toss it away. I think that's where he crosses the line. If this was sold as a novelty or art piece, I think he'd have been ok. Basically he's an idiot who could've probably nod nod wink winked and gotten a slap on the wrist, but actively advertising illegal activity on YouTube was where he went too far. And being clearly not too bright, he thought he could run his mouth and advertise that the card WAS INTENDED TO BE USED ILLEGALLY AND THEN HIDDEN then fall back on the whole "it's just a picture, bro." Do I think its bullshit? Yep. Do I also think he brought a lot of trouble on himself with his way of going about it? Also yep. We have to fight for our rights, but we have to be smart about it. He's like a kid in the principal's office who's all "I told the teacher to TRUCK off, you can't give me a detention for that!" |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 10:18:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So yes, this is wrong and he got screwed. But...in his video, he actively says you can use this for full auto then toss it away. I think that's where he crosses the line. If this was sold as a novelty or art piece, I think he'd have been ok. Basically he's an idiot who could've probably nod nod wink winked and gotten a slap on the wrist, but actively advertising illegal activity on YouTube was where he went too far. And being clearly not too bright, he thought he could run his mouth and advertise that the card WAS INTENDED TO BE USED ILLEGALLY AND THEN HIDDEN then fall back on the whole "it's just a picture, bro." Do I think its bullshit? Yep. Do I also think he brought a lot of trouble on himself with his way of going about it? Also yep. We have to fight for our rights, but we have to be smart about it. He's like a kid in the principal's office who's all "I told the teacher to TRUCK off, you can't give me a detention for that!" Kinda like blacks sitting on the wrong bus seat, plopping down in the main dining room instead of getting their food out back, and drinking out of the fountain instead of the dipper kinda thing? |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 11:26:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys are right - and everybody else is wrong. It's just a bottle opener. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/67651/Bottle_Opener_jpg-2792570.JPG  That isn’t a machine gun, but even if it was, “NOT GUILTY”, because fuck the ATF and their unconstitutional bullshit. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 11:58:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yep, you are right, he's fucked. I would not have personally chosen to take the path that he did. Perhaps I am weaker and my personal convictions are not as strong as his. But let me remind you, he's in a cage for promoting a drawing on a credit card. And you posted a thread saying he got 45 years. He has not yet received a 45 year sentence. Just a drawing? Don't simultaneously get on the OP about a misleading thread title while you are minimizing the item that was sold. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "drawing" was the exact dimensions of the parts that could be used to make an AR fully automatic, which was drawn on material that was capable of being used as such. Agree with the item seller if you wish, but let's keep it real. So this is a knife? https://content.instructables.com/FO9/1S8P/IXUS8TRS/FO91S8PIXUS8TRS.jpg?auto=webp&fit=bounds&frame=1&height=1024&width=1024auto=webp&frame=1&height=150 Try to peel a potato with it |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 12:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We talking the backwards hat wearing guy? Yup. 
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Posted: 4/23/2023 1:08:22 PM EDT
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Lot of statists here. This sucks and is bullshit.
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Posted: 4/23/2023 2:32:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those supporting gun control here, you're disgusting. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 2:46:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God dammit OP I had to read 5 pages to learn he hasn't been sentenced yet. Damn your reading comprehension sucks. I'll update the op again for the slow readers. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 2:53:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, all I'd have to do is drop that card into a receiver and it'll be ready to get it on? Neat. Oh, and OP, his name is Kristopher Justinboyer Ervin, you smarmy dickcheese. Nope. It is Matt Hoover . Enjoy the Frumunda. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 6:29:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, apparently the ATF wasn't capable of doing it  A design is still protected speech. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yep, you are right, he's fucked. I would not have personally chosen to take the path that he did. Perhaps I am weaker and my personal convictions are not as strong as his. But let me remind you, he's in a cage for promoting a drawing on a credit card. And you posted a thread saying he got 45 years. He has not yet received a 45 year sentence. Just a drawing? Don't simultaneously get on the OP about a misleading thread title while you are minimizing the item that was sold. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "drawing" was the exact dimensions of the parts that could be used to make an AR fully automatic, which was drawn on material that was capable of being used as such. Agree with the item seller if you wish, but let's keep it real. Well, apparently the ATF wasn't capable of doing it A design is still protected speech. lol A design is protected speech like the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The feds have been infringing since 1934. Maybe longer. The supreme law of the land means nothing to them and hasn't in most of our lifetimes. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 9:33:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. It is Matt Hoover . Enjoy the Frumunda. Of course if you had only used his name instead of making fun of him there would have been no confusion. I think it's clear you would rather gloat that a man would be incarcerated over fighting for 2a rights than recognizing how the federal government gets its dick hard over nonsense instead of real crime. |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 3:24:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course if you had only used his name instead of making fun of him there would have been no confusion. I think it's clear you would rather gloat that a man would be incarcerated over fighting for 2a rights than recognizing how the federal government gets its dick hard over nonsense instead of real crime. No one is gloating , but keep believing what ever bull shit flips your fanny pack. |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 10:37:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol A design is protected speech like the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The feds have been infringing since 1934. Maybe longer. The supreme law of the land means nothing to them and hasn't in most of our lifetimes. He wasn't advertising "knowledge" or a "design" or adding any of those very important phrases; "for information only", "for training only", "just a novelty", etc. He was flat out marketing it as a covert tool that can readily convert a Semi-Auto firearm into Full Auto. It stops being "freedom of speech" when you have intent and there is evidence showing you are planning to commit a crime??? |
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Posted: 4/25/2023 11:57:28 PM EDT
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 From the Vault: The Incredible Lightning Link |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:49:31 AM EDT
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 Drawings and Words are Machine Guns Now | CRS Firearms Found Guilty |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 12:25:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The debacle is that the ATFs argument basically means i can draw a shape on a piece of sheet metal with a Sharpie and then hand said piece of sheet metal to someone and I just manufactured and distributed a "machine gun". That, sir, is real retarded. This. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 12:32:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to ATF, a Mini-14 and me having shoes with laces is possibly constructive possession of a machine gun. Wasn't that why the 180 series Mini-14 was changed, due to it being somewhat easy to convert to full auto? |
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