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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:36:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 50,000 dead from the same thing makes it the highest cause of death in America. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 50,000 deaths sounds alarming -- until you do the math. 328,000,000 people in the US with the 50,0000 deaths... Not alarming anymore. Now, you I hope no1 u knowz diez from it people that doesn't mean I have no heart. Sucks anyone died from China's bullshit. 50,000 dead from the same thing makes it the highest cause of death in America. Not true. An average of 1300 American's die every day from hypertension. That is 80,000 every two months. https://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/facts.htm |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:36:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the situation in Wisconsin, for what it's worth. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/403204/Infected_chart_a_jpg-1383887.JPG Only because Governor Sugar Tits saved you useless plebs. Admit it you'd be dead from the Flu Manchu on a bass boat or in your garden right now without those heroic sacrifices on her part. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:37:59 AM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both camps are full of idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Flu bros are the new truthers... Both camps are full of idiots. This. the amount of people who have staked out a site in either extreme camp is astonishing, though not surprising given how many scientifically illiterate people are around here. Many of which are weirdly proud of it. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:38:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will be interesting to see the year once closed. Will Diabetes, etc... numbers be much lower in 2020 due to being absorbed into COVID19? If so, the delta will be important. It sure will, but one way or the other, the wuflu still got to them. There was one gov guy who said a large portion or majority of the people who will die from covid, were likely to die in the next 9 months anyway. There is zero doubt that wuflu has a deadly exaggerated effect on those at or near end of life. those deaths should still be contributed to wuflu, but you’re right, at the end of the year, the overall average amount of deaths may not be so drastic. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:38:28 AM EST
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Millions have the virus, no ill effects. Somebody dies heart failure or whatever, they test all for virus. They had the virus, must be the cause of death.
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:38:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully, we're near the end of this whole mess. I can't remember the source, but I thought the total number theorized to die in the US was approximately 60,000 people. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:38:48 AM EST
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I wonder how deaths from other listed causes have dipped.
Chalking it up to Covid anytime someone dies with a comorbidity like severe CAD, hepatic failure, ESRD, etc really doesn't mean as much as say a healthy person keeling over and dying from respiratory failure. Looking at one number and saying "OMG 50k!" without actually looking at other data points and also not waiting a year to do a retrospective holistic look at the situation is kinda dumb. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:39:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking specifically for PA, they really were adding numbers to the count. It is undisputed. I don’t even know how one can be in denial of it, talk about burying your head in the sand. Believe the facts until they impact your worldview, that's how. Ohio is pumping up the numbers also, but at least they are providing both sets of data (people with consistent symptoms and those who actually test positive). |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:39:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not true. An average of 1300 American's die every day from hypertension. That is 80,000 every two months. https://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/facts.htm Dammit. Now I'm super fucking hyper tense. Been nice knowing ya'll. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:40:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will be interesting to see the year once closed. Will Diabetes, etc... numbers be much lower in 2020 due to being absorbed into COVID19? If so, the delta will be important. The daily routine of everyone has been significantly impacted so I would expect a lot of numbers to be off with or without the virus. It doesn't really matter what the numbers show because nobody is going to believe them anyways. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:40:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Show of hands for who trusts the numbers. This, I doubt we have even hit 35,000 |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:40:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Show of hands for who trusts the numbers. ETA: I was corrected |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:40:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dammit. Now I'm super fucking hyper tense. Been nice knowing ya'll. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not true. An average of 1300 American's die every day from hypertension. That is 80,000 every two months. https://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/facts.htm Dammit. Now I'm super fucking hyper tense. Been nice knowing ya'll. 
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:40:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will be interesting to see the year once closed. Will Diabetes, etc... numbers be much lower in 2020 due to being absorbed into COVID19? If so, the delta will be important. This... can't wait for all the hero healthcare workers to start proclaiming how they dramatically reduced those ancillary deaths. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:41:14 AM EST
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Is the 15% medicare reimbursement bump for Covid-19 patients real, or is it bullshit?
Oh wait! Is it 20% now? LINK Think I'll go with my original hypothesis, expressed in a meme:  Here's my favorite gem from the CDC website: As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statementpdf iconexternal icon issued by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease. But hey, don't take my word for it. Read it for yourself: CDC Coronavirus It's utterly amazing to me that deaths from stage IV lung cancer, heart disease, and strokes are way down. Nope, can't understand why. Just one of life's mysteries I suppose. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:41:17 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. the amount of people who have staked out a site in either extreme camp is astonishing, though not surprising given how many scientifically illiterate people are around here. Many of which are weirdly proud of it. It's almost a badge of honor. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:41:29 AM EST
[#17]
First off, 50,000 people isn't much in a country of over three hundred million. Second, the dead are overwhelmingly the elderly and the unhealthy.
I'm sure healthy people in their 20's, 30's, and 40's, are just thrilled to be sitting on their asses at home, watching their lives go down the drain. This shut down was never necessary. If you're 60 or over, stay home. If you're 50-59 and have certain conditions, stay home. Everyone else, social distance, avoid crowds, maybe masks in stores, and wash your hands a lot. Ignore NY, and the "spillover states" of CT, PA, and NJ. Now how many cases are there in America? How many deaths? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:42:02 AM EST
[#18]
Fake News.
How many of that 50k actually died from something else but simply tested positive for CV19? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:42:06 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. the amount of people who have staked out a site in either extreme camp is astonishing, though not surprising given how many scientifically illiterate people are around here. Many of which are weirdly proud of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Flu bros are the new truthers... Both camps are full of idiots. This. the amount of people who have staked out a site in either extreme camp is astonishing, though not surprising given how many scientifically illiterate people are around here. Many of which are weirdly proud of it. I don't know if I would call it "astonishing." We've seen it in politics for years. I think it's just human nature. People want to be right about their beliefs, and they only accept information that reaffirms those beliefs. Its Psychology 101 |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:42:13 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 50,000 dead from the same thing makes it the highest cause of death in America. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 50,000 deaths sounds alarming -- until you do the math. 328,000,000 people in the US with the 50,0000 deaths... Not alarming anymore. Now, you I hope no1 u knowz diez from it people that doesn't mean I have no heart. Sucks anyone died from China's bullshit. 50,000 dead from the same thing makes it the highest cause of death in America. Wrong. Try abortion. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:42:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My state has an impressive 0.0000405?% death rate... 4 of 10 million? Na. You probably just can't do math and know how to convert a decimal into a percent. That's why you clearly don't understand exponential growth. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:42:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something tells me flu deaths are down, as are pneumonia deaths, as are deaths related to complications from diabetes and heart disease. It's a good thing we have made so much progress on those in such a short period of time. Right? Yea its amazing that in NYS flu numbers were increasing by 12% a week...then covid showed up and immediately flu numbers decreased from 22% to 77% to 75% in the last 3 weeks... |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:42:27 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First off, 50,000 people isn't much in a country of over three hundred million. Second, the dead are overwhelmingly the elderly and the unhealthy. I'm sure healthy people in their 20's, 30's, and 40's, are just thrilled to be sitting on their asses at home, watching their lives go down the drain. This shut down was never necessary. If you're 60 or over, stay home. If you're 50-59 and have certain conditions, stay home. Everyone else, social distance, avoid crowds, maybe masks in stores, and wash your hands a lot. Doomer: Whatever flubro. Flubro: Whatever doomer. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:42:35 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dammit. Now I'm super fucking hyper tense. Been nice knowing ya'll. Doctor told me that my brain is too tense. Too tense the size of a normal one. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:43:33 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doctor told me that my brain is too tense. Too tense the size of a normal one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dammit. Now I'm super fucking hyper tense. Been nice knowing ya'll. Doctor told me that my brain is too tense. Too tense the size of a normal one. ::chuckle:: |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:43:43 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Show of hands for who trusts the numbers. I trust they're cooked. I trust everyone who's died in the last 3 months is probably listed as covid. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:44:19 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea its amazing that in NYS flu numbers were increasing by 12% a week...then covid showed up and immediately flu numbers decreased from 22% to 77% to 75% in the last 3 weeks... Ya...isn't that amazing that a lockdown for one contagious virus would also slow another one?  We've found the next Einstein here everyone. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:44:27 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only 50,000 in a couple months? It's not like we've locked down our country. Clearly just the flu bro. Just ignore the fact that they're counting pretty much every death as a WuFlu death, whether that or the side effects killed the person or not. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:44:43 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doctor told me that my brain is too tense. Too tense the size of a normal one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dammit. Now I'm super fucking hyper tense. Been nice knowing ya'll. Doctor told me that my brain is too tense. Too tense the size of a normal one. That's dumb. I lol'd. :P |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:45:08 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We should take advantage of this... my gun didn't kill him, he died from bleeding to death. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol thats like people getting shot and dying. They didn’t die because they were shot. They died because of blood Hemorrhage.  We should take advantage of this... my gun didn't kill him, he died from bleeding to death. No,I shot him. The bullets and the fall killed him.  Collateral (2/9) Movie CLIP - Bullets and the Fall (2004) HD |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:45:38 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only 50,000 in a couple months? It's not like we've locked down our country. Clearly just the flu bro. Quote HistoryQuoted: Only 50,000 in a couple months? It's not like we've locked down our country. Clearly just the flu bro. Quoted: I wonder what would happen if they reported the 300 per day that dies from the regular flu? They should cut in every 4 minutes to announce each one. Quoted: Meh... lost 19,000 to the flu last year in the USA Quoted: Does the OP have a link or are we doing the tard dance again? I really wish the mods would get a handle on this bullshit. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:46:54 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just ignore the fact that they're counting pretty much every death as a WuFlu death, whether that or the side effects killed the person or not. Except they're not and you're just propagating fake news. There's definitely a margin of error due to not everyone having been tested and the tests not being completely accurate but the way this virus tends to kill people is well known and doctors are determining the cause. My brother is a hospital administrator, they aren't making money from WuFlu - they're losing their shirts. Hospitals make money on elective surgeries which have been mostly cancelled. That's why there's billions of bailout money going to hospitals again. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:47:24 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Show of hands for who trusts the numbers. 
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:47:34 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya...isn't that amazing that a lockdown for one contagious virus would also slow another one? We've found the next Einstein here everyone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yea its amazing that in NYS flu numbers were increasing by 12% a week...then covid showed up and immediately flu numbers decreased from 22% to 77% to 75% in the last 3 weeks... Ya...isn't that amazing that a lockdown for one contagious virus would also slow another one? We've found the next Einstein here everyone. Don't forget that flu season typically ends sometime between February and April. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:49:18 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the situation in Wisconsin, for what it's worth. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/403204/Infected_chart_a_jpg-1383887.JPG Kewl! Source? Link? I’d like to recreate the same for Virginia. Great visual representation. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:49:35 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully, we’re near the end of this whole mess. I can’t remember the source, but I thought the total number theorized to die in the US was approximately 60,000 people. It will be go by this past Easter |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:49:55 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only 50,000 in a couple months? It's not like we've locked down our country. Clearly just the flu bro. Endzone dances on dead people is sick. Fuck off. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:51:01 AM EST
[#38]
So, a national death rate of 0.00015% of the population, most old and weak, and more than 50% isolated to the NYC/NJ area... yep, totally worth killing the economy
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:51:08 AM EST
[#39]
Quoted: Quoted: Show of hands for who trusts the numbers. I trust they're cooked. I trust everyone who's died in the last 3 months is probably listed as covid. Even if the numbers are fudged as fuck... California, approximately 40 million people, less than 1500 COVID deaths; Florida, approximately 21 million people, less than 900 deaths; Texas, approximately 29 million people, less than 550 deaths. And the list goes on and on. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:51:37 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no possible way anyone can trust the numbers as they have already been proven to be fudged, there is absolutely zero doubt about it. Out of 1600 previous deaths, Pennsylvania revised the number down nearly 300. Now there have been some new deaths bringing it back up to 14xx, and many of them are being questioned as I type this. One or two deaths? Easily contributed to accidental reporting, or simple clerical errors. 20%? LOL, year, there is a problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Show of hands for who trusts the numbers. There is no possible way anyone can trust the numbers as they have already been proven to be fudged, there is absolutely zero doubt about it. Out of 1600 previous deaths, Pennsylvania revised the number down nearly 300. Now there have been some new deaths bringing it back up to 14xx, and many of them are being questioned as I type this. One or two deaths? Easily contributed to accidental reporting, or simple clerical errors. 20%? LOL, year, there is a problem. Yep. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:51:41 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This was from Johns Hopkins. How do you feel about them? Did they actually exam and determine cause of death for each and every case or did they just gather number from all locales who told them that those were COVID deaths? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:51:41 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Endzone dances on dead people is sick. Fuck off. people die... its the only guarantee in life... you need to go find yourself a safe place to cower in |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:51:46 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Endzone dances on dead people is sick. Fuck off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Only 50,000 in a couple months? It's not like we've locked down our country. Clearly just the flu bro. Endzone dances on dead people is sick. Fuck off. Have you ever heard of Rwanda? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:52:31 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 50,000 dead from the same thing makes it the highest cause of death in America. 2017 Stats: Heart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404 Diabetes: 83,564 Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173 |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:52:54 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what do you suggest a doctor should do, if they are unable to get a test? Just say whoopsie, that one doesn't count? Why wouldn't a doctor list his medical opinion as the cause of death? For one thing, “medical opinion” is wrong ~85% the time in the case of Virginia where the COVID-19 tests were only administered to those diagnosed by medical experts who’s “medical opinion” indicates the patient as likely to have the ‘rona. Results of those tests were ~85% negative. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:53:47 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if the numbers are fudged as fuck... California, approximately 40 million people, less than 1500 COVID deaths; Florida, approximately 21 million people, less than 900 deaths; Texas, approximately 29 million people, less than 550 deaths. And the list goes on and on. Aren't those so low because of people social distancing and quarantining? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:54:08 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fake News. How many of that 50k actually died from something else but simply tested positive for CV19? Or didn't even get tested but were presumed positive? Is Covid-19 serious, especially for certain parts of the population: Yes Is Covid-19 serious enough to take precautions, especially around at-risk people: Absolutely Is Covid-19 serious enough to burn our entire economy to the ground and crater industry: Not a chance Is Covid-19 serious enough that tens of millions of people should lose their jobs and become beholden to big daddy government in order to live: No fucking way Is the MSM and political left going to milk this situation for every drop that it's worth: You betcha! |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:54:34 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they actually exam and determine cause of death for each and every case or did they just gather number from all locales who told them that those were COVID deaths? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This was from Johns Hopkins. How do you feel about them? Did they actually exam and determine cause of death for each and every case or did they just gather number from all locales who told them that those were COVID deaths? They probably relied on local reports like everyone else does for everything else because it isn't practical for a private institution to send people out to every corner of the nation to perform an autopsy on everyone that dies. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:55:29 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Show of hands for who trusts the numbers. CDC numbers as of 4/18. How did they double total deaths in the 4 days after 4/18 considering it started a downward trend after 4/11. Possible? Sure. But probably fuckery.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:55:41 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the 15% medicare reimbursement bump for Covid-19 patients real, or is it bullshit? Oh wait! Is it 20% now? LINK Think I'll go with my original hypothesis, expressed in a meme: https://i.imgur.com/iiOrYKY.jpg Here's my favorite gem from the CDC website: As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statementpdf iconexternal icon issued by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease. But hey, don't take my word for it. Read it for yourself: CDC Coronavirus It's utterly amazing to me that deaths from stage IV lung cancer, heart disease, and strokes are way down. Nope, can't understand why. Just one of life's mysteries I suppose. Does the CARE act only pay out if the patient dies? I dont see that stipulated in your link? |
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