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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:56:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Show of hands for who trusts the numbers. This. Im not a doomer or a flu bro, but I'm definitely skeptical of the numbers. Primarily the fact that deaths from virtually all other known causes of deaths are wayyy down. It's like people quit dying from "pneumonia" and now die from pneumonia caused by covid, even though they were not tested for covid and were only "likely positive". |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:56:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or didn't even get tested but were presumed positive? Is Covid-19 serious, especially for certain parts of the population: Yes Is Covid-19 serious enough to take precautions, especially around at-risk people: Absolutely Is Covid-19 serious enough to burn our entire economy to the ground and crater industry: Not a chance Is Covid-19 serious enough that tens of millions of people should lose their jobs and become beholden to big daddy government in order to live: No fucking way Is the MSM and political left going to milk this situation for every drop that it's worth: You betcha! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fake News. How many of that 50k actually died from something else but simply tested positive for CV19? Or didn't even get tested but were presumed positive? Is Covid-19 serious, especially for certain parts of the population: Yes Is Covid-19 serious enough to take precautions, especially around at-risk people: Absolutely Is Covid-19 serious enough to burn our entire economy to the ground and crater industry: Not a chance Is Covid-19 serious enough that tens of millions of people should lose their jobs and become beholden to big daddy government in order to live: No fucking way Is the MSM and political left going to milk this situation for every drop that it's worth: You betcha! I can go with this. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:57:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the situation in Wisconsin, for what it's worth. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/403204/Infected_chart_a_jpg-1383887.JPG Congrats. WI is 16th from the top in deaths/1mil population, doing a good job up there! |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:58:26 AM EST
[#4]
If things stay shut down and the economy gets worse suicide will laugh at 50k and say "hold my beer, flu".
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:58:51 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or didn't even get tested but were presumed positive? Is Covid-19 serious, especially for certain parts of the population: Yes Is Covid-19 serious enough to take precautions, especially around at-risk people: Absolutely Is Covid-19 serious enough to burn our entire economy to the ground and crater industry: Not a chance Is Covid-19 serious enough that tens of millions of people should lose their jobs and become beholden to big daddy government in order to live: No fucking way Is the MSM and political left going to milk this situation for every drop that it's worth: You betcha! Ya'll really need to come to understand this is NOT just he MSM and Left.... plenty of folks on the right pounding the drum... heck, just look at all of them here. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:58:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 50,000 dead from the same thing makes it the highest cause of death in America. ~3/4 of those killed are unhealthy enough that virtually anything would have killed them. Seriously. The average COVID victim is an 80 year old overweight man with diabetes, heart disease, and some form of cancer. If COVID19 happened 150 years ago, no one would have even noticed it. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:58:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was from Johns Hopkins. How do you feel about them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I fully trust the WHO, CDC and State Governments to do the right thing/not lie. 100%. This was from Johns Hopkins. How do you feel about them? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:59:30 AM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or didn't even get tested but were presumed positive? Is Covid-19 serious, especially for certain parts of the population: Yes Is Covid-19 serious enough to take precautions, especially around at-risk people: Absolutely Is Covid-19 serious enough to burn our entire economy to the ground and crater industry: Not a chance Is Covid-19 serious enough that tens of millions of people should lose their jobs and become beholden to big daddy government in order to live: No fucking way Is the MSM and political left going to milk this situation for every drop that it's worth: You betcha! "If it bleeds, it leads." |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:00:08 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If things stay shut down and the economy gets worse suicide will laugh at 50k and say "hold my beer, flu". Yeah, and that will be kids with 50 years of life ahead of them, not octegenarians with one foot in the grave to begin with. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:01:45 PM EST
[#10]
I used to smoke pot with Johnny Hopkins.
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:01:51 PM EST
[#11]
wuhan flu isnt even a real disease.
all the reports are disinformation campaigns run by bill gates, michele obama, biden, and hillary, with chinese cooperation, all being run out of the catacombs beneath comet ping pong. those who 'truly believe' have no choice as the gates foundation has placed electrodes into a large percentage of the us population. the deaths are mostly old folks snatched from old folks homes and from homeless people, especially people of color that are brought to the hospitals, sedated and put on vents and the vents slowly reduce the oxygen content of the patient, replacing it with NOS until the patients die. then the bodies are loaded into trucks to be moved to burial grounds where the are interned and covered with lime. q predicted this. folks would be best to at least pretend they believed the stories. for their own safety and the safety of family members. trump is under their management also. it took special electrodes developed by microsoft and apple to get him under control. this is how they get him to say things like you should inject lysol into patients or have them strip nakid and stand outside during the day to kill the virus. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:02:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: people die... its the only guarantee in life... you need to go find yourself a safe place to cower in You missed the point. Snarklord wants to flubro people, cause internet points bro. Doomers are as hollow as flubros, and add nothing worthwile. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:03:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: wuhan flu isnt even a real disease. all the reports are disinformation campaigns run by bill gates, michele obama, biden, and hillary, with chinese cooperation, all being run out of the catacombs beneath comet ping pong. those who 'truly believe' have no choice as the gates foundation has placed electrodes into a large percentage of the us population. the deaths are mostly old folks snatched from old folks homes and from homeless people, especially people of color that are brought to the hospitals, sedated and put on vents and the vents slowly reduce the oxygen content of the patient, replacing it with NOS until the patients die. then the bodies are loaded into trucks to be moved to burial grounds where the are interned and covered with lime. q predicted this. folks would be best to at least pretend they believed the stories. for their own safety and the safety of family members. trump is under their management also. it took special electrodes developed by microsoft and apple to get him under control. this is how they get him to say things like you should inject lysol into patients or have them strip nakid and stand outside during the day to kill the virus. 
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:04:52 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: JH compiled data from other organizations, right? They didn't go actually test every body in the country, I assume. Don't know. I presume they have some confidence in the data in order to put their name to it. I trust them more than I would trust WHO or CDC. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:06:59 PM EST
[#15]
Not the flu we know that. Also not put in perspective taking everything else into consideration, we know that.
Get back to work... |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:07:33 PM EST
[#16]
Quoted: The death toll from the new coronavirus reached 50,000 in the U.S., now the epicenter of the global outbreak, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The media will be having a field day with that, as if it's somehow magical. Link Holy crap!!!!!.......  That's if you ever trust those numbers. It sounds like you could die in a car crash, and if you have the virus....well, that's what they put the cause of death as...the virus. 80,000 died last year from the flu and nobody batted an eye..... |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:07:54 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or didn't even get tested but were presumed positive? Is Covid-19 serious, especially for certain parts of the population: Yes Is Covid-19 serious enough to take precautions, especially around at-risk people: Absolutely Is Covid-19 serious enough to burn our entire economy to the ground and crater industry: Not a chance Is Covid-19 serious enough that tens of millions of people should lose their jobs and become beholden to big daddy government in order to live: No fucking way Is the MSM and political left going to milk this situation for every drop that it's worth: You betcha! It's maddening that people want to demagogue this one way or the other. They simply cannot see it for what it really is. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:08:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You missed the point. Snarklord wants to flubro people, cause internet points bro. Doomers are as hollow as flubros, and add nothing worthwile. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: people die... its the only guarantee in life... you need to go find yourself a safe place to cower in You missed the point. Snarklord wants to flubro people, cause internet points bro. Doomers are as hollow as flubros, and add nothing worthwile. Nah, here let me repost it for you Quoted: Endzone dances on dead people is sick. Fuck off. You're clearly pearl-clutching... I'd suggest you go to the darkest place in your home, cower in the fetal position and suck your thumb... sorry you're scared |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:08:40 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Show of hands for who trusts the numbers.  Hoisting the BS flag. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:09:35 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no possible way anyone can trust the numbers as they have already been proven to be fudged, there is absolutely zero doubt about it. Out of 1600 previous deaths, Pennsylvania revised the number down nearly 300. Now there have been some new deaths bringing it back up to 14xx, and many of them are being questioned as I type this. One or two deaths? Easily contributed to accdidental reporting, or simple clerical errors. 20%? LOL, year, there is a problem. Bingo....Not downplaying people dying of course, every life lost is a tragedy however we KNOW that death tallies are inaccurate. There's too much motivation to pump these numbers up for financial, political and bias reasons. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:09:58 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah, here let me repost it for you You're clearly pearl-clutching... I'd suggest you go to the darkest place in your home, cower in the fetal position and suck your thumb... sorry you're scared You couldn't be more wrong. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:10:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the CARE act only pay out if the patient dies? I dont see that stipulated in your link? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is the 15% medicare reimbursement bump for Covid-19 patients real, or is it bullshit? Oh wait! Is it 20% now? LINK Think I'll go with my original hypothesis, expressed in a meme: https://i.imgur.com/iiOrYKY.jpg Here's my favorite gem from the CDC website: As of April 14, 2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position statementpdf iconexternal icon issued by the Council for State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease. But hey, don't take my word for it. Read it for yourself: CDC Coronavirus It's utterly amazing to me that deaths from stage IV lung cancer, heart disease, and strokes are way down. Nope, can't understand why. Just one of life's mysteries I suppose. Does the CARE act only pay out if the patient dies? I dont see that stipulated in your link? That's an excellent question - I wish I knew but I don't. Given the per-bed ICU cost for people who do get sick (and/or die) it would be fascinating to find out. Here in NH, all homeless people are being tested - symptomatic or not. Somehow the funding has been secured for that - as well as funding for larger tents, hand washing stations etc. Medicare, grant money ... no idea where that money is coming from. Meanwhile - cops, firefighters, EMS, and nursing home staff aren't being tested unless they get sick, or some in contact with someone who has tested positive. That must not be as profitable or as politically valuable as much as mass testing the entire indigent population. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:10:45 PM EST
[#23]
Quoted: Quoted: Even if the numbers are fudged as fuck... California, approximately 40 million people, less than 1500 COVID deaths; Florida, approximately 21 million people, less than 900 deaths; Texas, approximately 29 million people, less than 550 deaths. And the list goes on and on. Aren't those so low because of people social distancing and quarantining? You don't have to shut down businesses in order to social distance. At risk people can stay at home without collapsing the economy. Sure, amputation is one way to treat an ingrown toenail. Is it the best way? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:10:55 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy crap!!!!!....... That's if you ever trust those numbers. It sounds like you could die in a car crash, and if you have the virus....well, that's what they put the cause of death as...the virus. 80,000 died last year from the flu and nobody batted an eye..... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The death toll from the new coronavirus reached 50,000 in the U.S., now the epicenter of the global outbreak, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The media will be having a field day with that, as if it's somehow magical. Link Holy crap!!!!!....... That's if you ever trust those numbers. It sounds like you could die in a car crash, and if you have the virus....well, that's what they put the cause of death as...the virus. 80,000 died last year from the flu and nobody batted an eye..... you are so wrong, it was 800,000. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:11:32 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't know. I presume they have some confidence in the data in order to put their name to it. I trust them more than I would trust WHO or CDC. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: JH compiled data from other organizations, right? They didn't go actually test every body in the country, I assume. Don't know. I presume they have some confidence in the data in order to put their name to it. I trust them more than I would trust WHO or CDC. So the question still goes back to the data - do we trust the CDC, do we trust NYCs reporting organizations, and on down the line? Personally I do not. There is too much money and power at stake for me to believe any government data. I'm doubly suspicious when the data points to giving more power and money to pols. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:11:48 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you repeating rumor? Can you cite any known cases? Here's mine: Our local news journalist in a great health and mid 50s just died at home unexpectedly. It's being reported as pneumonia, even though I saw him 5 days ago and he was fine. The paper never even mentioned COVID19 despite this sounding very odd for pneumonia which he didn't have a few days ago. Is there a Post mortem? Was a test performed? Results? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:12:36 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: you are so wrong, it was 800,000. In the US? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:13:47 PM EST
[#28]
When the antibody testing is more prevalent, the doomer tardation will truly be revealed.
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:14:57 PM EST
[#29]
 Attached FileSo bad, but not Captain Tripps. Looks like a fair number of people died of C-19 who would have died of something else anyway. With a minor offset for deaths that would have happened but didn't due to lockdown (stuff like car and industrial accidents). |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:15:21 PM EST
[#30]
Damn, only 47 died in federal prisons...Those are rookie numbers
21k in NY...now that's keeping with the media needs... linky poop |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:16:12 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy crap!!!!!....... That's if you ever trust those numbers. It sounds like you could die in a car crash, and if you have the virus....well, that's what they put the cause of death as...the virus. 80,000 died last year from the flu and nobody batted an eye..... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The death toll from the new coronavirus reached 50,000 in the U.S., now the epicenter of the global outbreak, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The media will be having a field day with that, as if it's somehow magical. Link Holy crap!!!!!....... That's if you ever trust those numbers. It sounds like you could die in a car crash, and if you have the virus....well, that's what they put the cause of death as...the virus. 80,000 died last year from the flu and nobody batted an eye..... Can we please stop parroting this line? It is 100% Grade A Certified bullshit. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:16:17 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can go with this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fake News. How many of that 50k actually died from something else but simply tested positive for CV19? Or didn't even get tested but were presumed positive? Is Covid-19 serious, especially for certain parts of the population: Yes Is Covid-19 serious enough to take precautions, especially around at-risk people: Absolutely Is Covid-19 serious enough to burn our entire economy to the ground and crater industry: Not a chance Is Covid-19 serious enough that tens of millions of people should lose their jobs and become beholden to big daddy government in order to live: No fucking way Is the MSM and political left going to milk this situation for every drop that it's worth: You betcha! I can go with this. Me too. This "doomer" shit is fuckin' embarrassing. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:17:20 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When the antibody testing is more prevalent, the doomer tardation will truly be revealed. Lol no it won’t. Neither flubros or doomers will accept the numbers from antibody testing because it’s gonna show that both were wrong. It’s not the Black Death 2.0, but it’s also not “just the flu, bro.” Both sides will go down the route of the numbers being “clearly manipulated” or some other dumb shit to discredit the numbers. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:20:16 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya'll really need to come to understand this is NOT just he MSM and Left.... plenty of folks on the right pounding the drum... heck, just look at all of them here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or didn't even get tested but were presumed positive? Is Covid-19 serious, especially for certain parts of the population: Yes Is Covid-19 serious enough to take precautions, especially around at-risk people: Absolutely Is Covid-19 serious enough to burn our entire economy to the ground and crater industry: Not a chance Is Covid-19 serious enough that tens of millions of people should lose their jobs and become beholden to big daddy government in order to live: No fucking way Is the MSM and political left going to milk this situation for every drop that it's worth: You betcha! Ya'll really need to come to understand this is NOT just he MSM and Left.... plenty of folks on the right pounding the drum... heck, just look at all of them here. You know, you're exactly right. The idea though of someone pounding that drum who isn't a political enemy is something that blows a circuit breaker in my Neanderthal brain. There are people quivering with ineffable glee about this country getting its comeuppance on the world stage. Had no idea that so many of them actually lived here. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:20:36 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol no it won’t. Neither flubros or doomers will accept the numbers from antibody testing because it’s gonna show that both were wrong. It’s not the Black Death 2.0, but it’s also not “just the flu, bro.” Both sides will go down the route of the numbers being “clearly manipulated” or some other dumb shit to discredit the numbers. An ocean of people (including the hair-on-fire doomers) will discover they had it and never new. The doom beliefs will be untenable. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:21:18 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully, we’re near the end of this whole mess. I can’t remember the source, but I thought the total number theorized to die in the US was approximately 60,000 people. It's the IHME projection, the same one Trump puts on the screen during daily briefings. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:21:31 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we please stop parroting this line? It is 100% Grade A Certified bullshit. Then explain this......do yo honestly thing that deaths from cancer, accidents, stroke, homicide, etc, etc....went down by more than half?? Attached File |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:21:42 PM EST
[#38]
Head gets chopped off? Covid
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:21:55 PM EST
[#39]
Man. All this time I thought we all lived forever.
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:22:33 PM EST
[#40]
so we know the numerator. great
now all we need is the denominator and then we might have something worth knowing. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:22:39 PM EST
[#41]
Almost one whole days worth of deaths in the US. Certainly worth every net new job since the Great Depression deleted overnight.
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:23:08 PM EST
[#42]
This is a sham and we need to get back to normal NOW!
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:24:48 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's an excellent question - I wish I knew but I don't. Given the per-bed ICU cost for people who do get sick (and/or die) it would be fascinating to find out. Here in NH, all homeless people are being tested - symptomatic or not. Somehow the funding has been secured for that - as well as funding for larger tents, hand washing stations etc. Medicare, grant money ... no idea where that money is coming from. Meanwhile - cops, firefighters, EMS, and nursing home staff aren't being tested unless they get sick, or some in contact with someone who has tested positive. That must not be as profitable or as politically valuable as much as mass testing the entire indigent population. It looks like treatment of Covid19 gets funds, treatment of Covid19 with complications gets even more funds. I dont see anywhere that death triggers another payout. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:26:48 PM EST
[#44]
RIP to those that died.
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:27:45 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: COVID listed as cause of death even if suspected but the patient had a negative test. Yay CDC! Exactly why I don't trust the #s. Covid is bad, but untruthful reporting and skewing of figures to serve a political agenda is immoral. Defund the CDC. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:29:00 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then explain this......do yo honestly thing that deaths from cancer, accidents, stroke, homicide, etc, etc....went down by more than half?? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107869/5e9f62a8b9dc4-1380806_jpg-1383956.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can we please stop parroting this line? It is 100% Grade A Certified bullshit. Then explain this......do yo honestly thing that deaths from cancer, accidents, stroke, homicide, etc, etc....went down by more than half?? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107869/5e9f62a8b9dc4-1380806_jpg-1383956.JPG damn, somebody's is playing some games. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:29:24 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My state has an impressive 0.0000405?% death rate... You are too scared to list your state, but I've taken the liberty to assume you live in the lowest death per 1mil population state of HI, and can only conclude you are not good at math. Thank you for your medical advice, can't do math, but wants to play like he has it all figured out.. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:29:56 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget that flu season typically ends sometime between February and April. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yea its amazing that in NYS flu numbers were increasing by 12% a week...then covid showed up and immediately flu numbers decreased from 22% to 77% to 75% in the last 3 weeks... Ya...isn't that amazing that a lockdown for one contagious virus would also slow another one? We've found the next Einstein here everyone. Don't forget that flu season typically ends sometime between February and April. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:30:00 PM EST
[#49]
YOU GUYS HAVE NO POLITICAL In stincts NO WONDER GIN OWNERS ARE LOSING POLITICALLY
the message here is: democrats stopped the wall & fought off all of TRUMP'S immigration reform & were in impeach mode when the country should have been prepping for wu flu. THE MESSAGE HERE IS PELOSI HAS KILLED 50,000 Americans |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:30:44 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: COVID listed as cause of death even if suspected but the patient had a negative test. Yay CDC! 
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