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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:30:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of the dead would have died of flu, pneumonia or other common maladies this year? All these businesses that are failing were just going to fail within the year anyway. They are conveniently blaming it on covid so they can get a government check. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:30:59 PM EST
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Democrats on this forum are invested in doom and gloom.
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:31:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was from Johns Hopkins. How do you feel about them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I fully trust the WHO, CDC and State Governments to do the right thing/not lie. 100%. This was from Johns Hopkins. How do you feel about them? It’s 2020. I don’t trust anyone. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:31:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man. All this time I thought we all lived forever. 
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:32:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/107869/5e9f62a8b9dc4-1380806_jpg-1383956.JPG So bad, but not Captain Tripps. Looks like a fair number of people died of C-19 who would have died of something else anyway. With a minor offset for deaths that would have happened but didn't due to lockdown (stuff like car and industrial accidents). Where is the source for this data? Im not seeing it on that link... |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:32:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Im not a doomer or a flu bro, but I'm definitely skeptical of the numbers. Primarily the fact that deaths from virtually all other known causes of deaths are wayyy down. It's like people quit dying from "pneumonia" and now die from pneumonia caused by covid, even though they were not tested for covid and were only "likely positive". Or Heart disease or Cancer or complications from Diabetes or etc. We now know that more people are testing for antibodies showing either asymptomatic or recovered symptoms. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:32:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the US? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: you are so wrong, it was 800,000. In the US? no, thats just in sweden. us deaths were 8,000,000. no one is allowed to see the real data though. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:33:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then explain this...... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107869/5e9f62a8b9dc4-1380806_jpg-1383956.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can we please stop parroting this line? It is 100% Grade A Certified bullshit. Then explain this...... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107869/5e9f62a8b9dc4-1380806_jpg-1383956.JPG Without seeing the breakdown of those deaths I wouldn't know where to start. Given the massive lifestyle changes we have all undergone it shouldn't be surprising that people aren't dying from the same things at the same rate as they were last year. I'm not saying that there aren't people dying with COVID-like symptoms that are being classified as COVID deaths even though they didn't have it and I'm sure some people that died of complications due to COVID would have eventually croaked for the same reason without COVID speeding things along. Eventually testing will catch up but right now they can't test everybody all the time. That's when doctors make educated guesses and move on. Nobody is classifying a victim of a car accident as a COVID fatality. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck it is getting classified as a duck. If it looks like a person impaled on a guard rail, it's not getting classified as a duck. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:36:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then explain this......do yo honestly thing that deaths from cancer, accidents, stroke, homicide, etc, etc....went down by more than half??  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/107869/5e9f62a8b9dc4-1380806_jpg-1383956.JPG This chart looks like BS. I cant find those stats on its source. But I do find other links on NY Times thats different... |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:36:36 PM EST
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If the average lifespan of a person is around 75 years, and they die at 55 years, did they die of old age naturally, or can their death usually be attributed to some other cause?
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:36:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is the source for this data? Im not seeing it on that link... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/107869/5e9f62a8b9dc4-1380806_jpg-1383956.JPG So bad, but not Captain Tripps. Looks like a fair number of people died of C-19 who would have died of something else anyway. With a minor offset for deaths that would have happened but didn't due to lockdown (stuff like car and industrial accidents). Where is the source for this data? Im not seeing it on that link... It was posted here a couple of days ago and an identical product was displayed during one of governor Cuomo's pressers. I didn't backtrack to see if it was at the link. If you do discover it is "fake news" please let us know. There is too much BS (going both ways) floating around about C-19 and I don't want to be part of that. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:38:01 PM EST
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Quoted: The death toll from the new coronavirus reached 50,000 in the U.S., now the epicenter of the global outbreak, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. The media will be having a field day with that, as if it's somehow magical. Link adjust these numbers by population, to get a percentage. Media doesn't want to do that, because it shows how low the US is by deaths/population. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:38:28 PM EST
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Have we decided on a definition of "Covid Death" yet?
Because someone who dies who HAPPENS to test positive for Covid, isn't necessarily a Covid death. Did Covid CAUSE some condition that led to their death? That is a Covid death. As I understand it, in the US, if someone dies who tests positive, they are counting all of those. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:38:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is the source for this data? Im not seeing it on that link... @jthomps123 Here is some breakdown of info. Don' think it has previous conditions listed. I know Italy had some of those and it was quite eye opening. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm Here is some estimates for it from CDC. A little old though. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm From worldometer...NY numbers https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:38:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only 50,000 in a couple months? It's not like we've locked down our country. Clearly just the flu bro. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:39:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RIP to those that died. 
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:39:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Without seeing the breakdown of those deaths I wouldn't know where to start. Given the massive lifestyle changes we have all undergone it shouldn't be surprising that people aren't dying from the same things at the same rate as they were last year. I'm not saying that there aren't people dying with COVID-like symptoms that are being classified as COVID deaths even though they didn't have it and I'm sure some people that died of complications due to COVID would have eventually croaked for the same reason without COVID speeding things along. Eventually testing will catch up but right now they can't test everybody all the time. That's when doctors make educated guesses and move on. Nobody is classifying a victim of a car accident as a COVID fatality. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck it is getting classified as a duck. If it looks like a person impaled on a guard rail, it's not getting classified as a duck. Patient (87 years old) was in hospital for heart failure, diabetes, and lung cancer. Had fever, and cough when death occurred. We don't need a test, it was wubonic plague that killed him. The symptoms make it clear. ETA: This is what assumed to have died of covid-19 looks like. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:40:07 PM EST
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Another doomer thread with BS numbers.
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:42:01 PM EST
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Who talks about this virus more, Arfcom or Facebook ?
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:45:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A statement everyone can agree with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: RIP to those that died. Not everyone. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:45:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 of 10 million? Na. You probably just can't do math and know how to convert a decimal into a percent. That's why you clearly don't understand exponential growth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My state has an impressive 0.0000405?% death rate... 4 of 10 million? Na. You probably just can't do math and know how to convert a decimal into a percent. That's why you clearly don't understand exponential growth. Well your math skills on this have been shown to be lacking. You have no business throwing rocks. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:45:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah,but you forget it's exponential-that 50,000 today,will turn into 500 million dead Americans in 2 weeks. On top of the 150 million firearm deaths. 
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:47:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully, we're near the end of this whole mess. I can't remember the source, but I thought the total number theorized to die in the US was approximately 60,000 people. here are this year's deaths compared to others *from all causes* up until week 14 (early April) the number now will be higher but not exponentially like some would have you believe.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:48:00 PM EST
[#24]
Idonbeliveit
NY already admits doctors classify death to Covid on untested people who have died. They also admit to placing people who die of other issue as Covid victims even if its arguably not what killed them. I’m sure everyone is doing that. Ya the numbers are BS. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:48:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you repeating rumor? Can you cite any known cases? Here's mine: Our local news journalist in a great health and mid 50s just died at home unexpectedly. It's being reported as pneumonia, even though I saw him 5 days ago and he was fine. The paper never even mentioned COVID19 despite this sounding very odd for pneumonia which he didn't have a few days ago. I personally know of one. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:48:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By this time of year (late April) here are this year's deaths compared to others *from all causes* up until week 14 (early April) the number now will be higher but not exponentially like some would have you believe. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/215807/D5B63A43-2340-4086-9055-82667CFE1E3B_jpe-1383994.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hopefully, we're near the end of this whole mess. I can't remember the source, but I thought the total number theorized to die in the US was approximately 60,000 people. here are this year's deaths compared to others *from all causes* up until week 14 (early April) the number now will be higher but not exponentially like some would have you believe. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/215807/D5B63A43-2340-4086-9055-82667CFE1E3B_jpe-1383994.JPG lol |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:48:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @jthomps123 Here is some breakdown of info. Don' think it has previous conditions listed. I know Italy had some of those and it was quite eye opening. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm Here is some estimates for it from CDC. A little old though. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm From worldometer...NY numbers https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/490117/26163020-8130479-image-a-4_1584621282359-1383990.JPG Im looking for the #'s in blue. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:49:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will be interesting to see the year once closed. Will Diabetes, etc... numbers be much lower in 2020 due to being absorbed into COVID19? If so, the delta will be important. That's kinda fair. Did he die of this or that. Weirdest one I know of what a guy standing behind a pressurized tanker truck. Latch blew off an hit him in the head. The (think of the nastiest smell you have ever smelt and multiply it by 1000) gushed out and he drowned in it while unconscious on the ground, not submerged. It was ruled asphyxiation. Did he die because his head was destroyed by a steal plate that was launched at his head, or because the body continued doing what the muscles do and keep trying to breath in the goo? If you ever look at medical examiner reports, you will find a shit load of "ground level fall" as cause of death, never old as fuck. Will that delta be important if the person would have lived another 20 years, but caught a virus and died this year? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:49:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are too scared to list your state, but I've taken the liberty to assume you live in the lowest death per 1mil population state of HI, and can only conclude you are not good at math. Thank you for your medical advice, can't do math, but wants to play like he has it all figured out.. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Despite graduating from one of the larger Texas universities, I've come to find Texas public education is greatly lacking. I live in Missouri... we've had 252 deaths and a population of 6M, so 252/6,000,000=0.000042 Again, don't hold your poor math skills against ya, you probably got one of those Texas primary educations. ETA: since you suck at math, here's Texas' 0.0000204 ETA2: I guess you are a bit correct - shouldn't have includes the % sign in that answer... its technically .0042%... still not bad enough to warrant the action |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 12:54:04 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Flu bros are the new truthers... Doomers are the plague that destroyed our economy. We should bring back tarring and feathering, or public flogging. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:11:22 PM EST
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:15:11 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This, I doubt we have even hit 35,000 Whatever, I doubt COVID-19 is even real. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:30:24 PM EST
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:32:10 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doctor told me that my brain is too tense. Too tense the size of a normal one. I thought you were stroking out at first.. It's finally registered. 
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:33:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something tells me flu deaths are down, as are pneumonia deaths, as are deaths related to complications from diabetes and heart disease. It's a good thing we have made so much progress on those in such a short period of time. Right? This. We're looking at it all wrong. COVID is actually the cure for a whole bunch of other diseases. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:35:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you repeating rumor? Can you cite any known cases? Here's mine: Our local news journalist in a great health and mid 50s just died at home unexpectedly. It's being reported as pneumonia, even though I saw him 5 days ago and he was fine. The paper never even mentioned COVID19 despite this sounding very odd for pneumonia which he didn't have a few days ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: COVID listed as cause of death even if suspected but the patient had a negative test. Yay CDC! Are you repeating rumor? Can you cite any known cases? Here's mine: Our local news journalist in a great health and mid 50s just died at home unexpectedly. It's being reported as pneumonia, even though I saw him 5 days ago and he was fine. The paper never even mentioned COVID19 despite this sounding very odd for pneumonia which he didn't have a few days ago. It's very well known, and reported through multiple sources, that several thousand of the COVID deaths in NYC were never actually tested. They were "presumed" cases, good enough for the CDC and good enough to keep the fear at an acceptable level. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:37:11 PM EST
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We know the numbers gave been cooked. We know it is not as deadly as initially claimed.
Time to open things back up. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:38:39 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's very well known, and reported through multiple sources, that several thousand of the COVID deaths in NYC were never actually tested. They were "presumed" cases, good enough for the CDC and good enough to keep the fear at an acceptable level. One of the news agencies was interviewing an EMT in NYC; she said she can "recognize a CV19 patient the moment they show up at their home"... sounds completely legit - LOL |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:41:38 PM EST
[#39]
Pay attention Doomers!!! I'll say it, I don't fucking care! At 5 times that number, it wouldn't be worth the shit we are letting these petty tyrant politicians get away with and the damage that has been done to this country economically. All of you that are not only blindly accepting this, but begging for more, disgust me.
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:51:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pay attention Doomers!!! I'll say it, I don't fucking care! At 5 times that number, it wouldn't be worth the shit we are letting these petty tyrant politicians get away with and the damage that has been done to this country economically. All of you that are not only blindly accepting this, but begging for more, disgust me. yep |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:51:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pay attention Doomers!!! I'll say it, I don't fucking care! At 5 times that number, it wouldn't be worth the shit we are letting these petty tyrant politicians get away with and the damage that has been done to this country economically. All of you that are not only blindly accepting this, but begging for more, disgust me.  Attached FileHallelujah |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:53:02 PM EST
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Posted: 4/24/2020 1:54:39 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 50,000 dead from the same thing makes it the highest cause of death in America. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 2:02:42 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pay attention Doomers!!! I'll say it, I don't fucking care! At 5 times that number, it wouldn't be worth the shit we are letting these petty tyrant politicians get away with and the damage that has been done to this country economically. All of you that are not only blindly accepting this, but begging for more, disgust me. This is the correct answer. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 2:07:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the CARE act only pay out if the patient dies? I dont see that stipulated in your link? |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 2:14:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Despite graduating from one of the larger Texas universities, I've come to find Texas public education is greatly lacking. I live in Missouri... we've had 252 deaths and a population of 6M, so 252/6,000,000=0.000042 Again, don't hold your poor math skills against ya, you probably got one of those Texas primary educations. ETA: since you suck at math, here's Texas' 0.0000204 ETA2: I guess you are a bit correct - shouldn't have includes the % sign in that answer... its technically .0042%... still not bad enough to warrant the action Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You are too scared to list your state, but I've taken the liberty to assume you live in the lowest death per 1mil population state of HI, and can only conclude you are not good at math. Thank you for your medical advice, can't do math, but wants to play like he has it all figured out.. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Despite graduating from one of the larger Texas universities, I've come to find Texas public education is greatly lacking. I live in Missouri... we've had 252 deaths and a population of 6M, so 252/6,000,000=0.000042 Again, don't hold your poor math skills against ya, you probably got one of those Texas primary educations. ETA: since you suck at math, here's Texas' 0.0000204 ETA2: I guess you are a bit correct - shouldn't have includes the % sign in that answer... its technically .0042%... still not bad enough to warrant the action I was going to reply with something snarky about you sending your post to the university and asking for a refund, but at least you had the balls to own it. It's not a bit or technically correct, math is math, I learned this in one of them fancy schools of engineering after that Texas public education. Math aside, now we can debate the known/unknowns. I live in an area (DFW) that has a population of 1.5 million more than your entire state. Most locations here went to social distancing rather quick, as did most of the larger locations in Texas, we are at half the deaths per 1mil population than MO. As of yesterday evening, we (again, local metroplex with that 1.5 million greatest population than your entire state) had 170 deaths attributed to the Corvid19. My thoughts are we will come out of this much faster than the 2000's mess . I'm okay with dealing with a bit of a pay cut, rather than someone else having to deal with the loss of a loved one that can't ever come back. This last part is subjective and each will have their own opinion. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 2:20:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JH compiled data from other organizations, right? They didn't go actually test every body in the country, I assume. On top of that, if you drill down on shit you see the following in Confirmed Cases "Confirmed cases include presumptive positive cases. " and then the following in Deaths "Fatality Rate: is calculated as Total Deaths divided by number of Confirmed Cases represented as a percent." |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 2:26:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was going to reply with something snarky about you sending your post to the university and asking for a refund, but at least you had the balls to own it. It's not a bit or technically correct, math is math, I learned this in one of them fancy schools of engineering after that Texas public education. Math aside, now we can debate the known/unknowns. I live in an area (DFW) that has a population of 1.5 million more than your entire state. Most locations here went to social distancing rather quick, as did most of the larger locations in Texas, we are at half the deaths per 1mil population than MO. As of yesterday evening, we (again, local metroplex with that 1.5 million greatest population than your entire state) had 170 deaths attributed to the Corvid19. My thoughts are we will come out of this much faster than the 2000's mess . I'm okay with dealing with a bit of a pay cut, rather than someone else having to deal with the loss of a loved one that can't ever come back. This last part is subjective and each will have their own opinion. Yup... got to typing too fast - definitely fucked up.. To use your DFW example, that's a death rate of 0.00011. Wonder what the monetary cost was to the other 1.5 million to save those 170, mostly old and/or frail people... see, to me, that is the problem. Wonder if the owners of all teh small business that will be forced to close will feel the same as you. In my opinion, its penny wise, pound foolish |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 2:33:10 PM EST
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Posted: 4/24/2020 2:36:46 PM EST
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“Hillary in a landslide “
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