You gotta get that bitch off the ground before you can do anything with it.

You could also launch 1000 F18's and not kill 1000 scattered riflemen.

Hairy.

See, I was right.

The tank and airplanes have maintainers with families. The tanks and airplanes sit in the open surrounded by security not in tanks. Tanks and airplanes need fuel to fly.....

Liberals are dumb and ashamed you want to protect yourself.

Everybody has to shit and piss eventually.

Tanks and aircraft will be interesting to watch in NYC, Chicago, SF, LA, Detroit, and Baltimore, etc. I am sure that will make the libs feel safer in their gentrified neighborhoods, until called out as being racist.

Is your shitbag co-worker going to be driving one of those tanks or flying one of those planes?

I don't care about throwing rational arguments at the left, they are irrational.

My response to that now is always this:
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Tell her this while showing photos of genocide in the 20th Century:

The 2A recognizes a God-given right to own and posses all arms which include anti-tank weapons. The 2A isn't about robbers and rapists as most CONservatives state, its about tyranny and genocide.

The Founders meant ALL arms otherwise they would have stated that the citizenry should only have "lesser" arms like crossbows and catapults instead of muskets and cannon - they did not. They were very clear it meant the same arms as any standing army or any arms which were available. The 2A is about TYRANNY and it is nonsensical to state that the 2A is about defense against tyranny BUT that machine guns, grenades, rockets, etc. should be illegal as how can one defend against tyranny when they are at a great disadvantage?

The NRA and most "pro-gun" internet and talk show celebrities have done such a disservice to the 2A by talking only about CCW and home defense. This is why we are losing, along with calling our Republic with a Bill of Rights a democracy which it is not.

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He was later executed.

The tank drivers in America have families here too. Mom better hope her kid doesn't aim so good.

That’s easy to answer- It’s because not very long ago there were plenty of random 20 year old military conscripts loading “dissidents” onto railroad cars...

The IRA fought a nuclear power, an empire, to a standstill with a few hundred fighter at most in the field.

Planes have to land somewhere and tank crews have to get out sometimes

We aren't the same Americans.

I see no Thomas Paines or Thomas Jeffersons.

We have a Thomas Sowell, but he got old and no one gave a fuck about what he had to say.

Came here to post this

Tanks and airplanes can't keep the politicians that want to wage war on their constituents safe. They sure as heck can't protect those politician's homes and families.

The people that make these arguments never seem to have read any of the Cold War resistance literature. You don't even need to rise to sabotage to have an impact.

If you can make 6 widgets per hour, make 4 instead. When you can make do using only 5 parts, end up using 7. Take a 20 minute dump on company time, use all the TP, leave the water running on the way out, and be sure to clog that shitter. Turn your place of employment into a literal shithole and use it to drive division between management and line workers.

If you are reading this...you are the resistance.

I wouldn't want to be within a few hundred yards of a tank rebel or leftist controlled. Giant fucking target.

I'll be wearing my grey man uniform

If you try to take my guns i'll pit one in your front

we need to take guns from these anti government nuts!

Trump is literally hitler!

only the government should have guns

The average American conservative doesn't have the intellect or the background in American history to appreciate the brilliance of Thomas Sowell, or Paine, Jefferson, Patrick Henry, etc. They would much rather waste their lives listening to the "dollar store" drivel from Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, and other PAYtriot / CONservative celebrities who tell them how to think. Most Americans also treat politics like a sporting event (therefore they are easily steered) as their minds can't comprehend the complexities of conspiracy, deception, long-term goals of Marxism, researching history, etc. All they can understand is that its the guys with the white helmets against the guys with the black helmets. The average leftist is also just as dumb.

On a long enough timeline, the arc of history bends away from human shooters.

I would've also told her, if they're so ineffective, you wouldn't be working so hard to take them away.

I don't think that makes them soft. It's what makes them the greatest force in the world.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

It’s not worthless against those that maintain those tanks or aircraft.... or those ever so sweet and vital supply lines.

They have the Active Denial System now. They could also use a gas or chemicals on the freedom fighters. Nothing can be out ruled with these cretins from hell.

Yes, I get that... there will always be useful idiots. The reason they were loading the railroad cars, and not the politicians, judges, etc, was precisely because they were disposable.

In the age of surveillance everywhere, thermal, drones, etc... if one were to take action, that person would probably be eliminated relatively quickly. It might be a better strategy if they went for the three-pointers rather than the easier layups.

Not reading all five pages, but has no one mentioned sticky bombs?

*unbelievable not until page 2!

So sad but so true.

This can’t be said enough.

Well, if the AR15 is no match, or threat, to the government/military weapons why do the dims/libs/progs/socialists want to take them away from us so bad?

When I was in college in the early 1980s, we war-gamed a US-Soviet nuclear war. Afterwards because we had a lot of the necessary information, we did a quick US civil war. While a lot has changed since then, I doubt the overall theories would fall apart. Also, the war gaming was conducted as an academic exercise, only the professor had actual military experience, so please excuse ideas which seem like a Hollywood script. BTW, this was done before the movie "Red Dawn" was made.

The civil war showed no winners. The government will fail, and the opposition will lose in an eventual bloodbath. Foreign powers will give some support to both sides, and will wait on the sidelines like vultures picking at the remains. Much of the US troop strength was overseas and not a factor. The government pulled what they could stateside, but couldn't pull everyone in because of China, Soviet Union, Middle East, and other enemies.

Strikes by the government which involved artillery, tanks and airplanes usually made things worse for the government. Innocents were killed and caused more grass roots resistance. An errant bomb could kill a relative of someone assigned to security for the President, or other leader, turning them from protection into an assassination risk. Area weapons such as bombs and missiles typically were a public relations nightmare for the government. The rebels tended to strike specific military targets which didn't carry the same risk of collateral damage.

Much of the militia effort would be similar to the French Resistance. Make the troops nervous about going outside. Never let them be completely comfortable. Make them wonder if everyone they meet might kill them. Even if you don't stop them, it really slows down work when people are afraid of snipers and booby traps.

Federal elections were over. If a politician was pro-fed government, campaigning was fatal. If they weren't pro-fed government, they were determined to be a risk and not allowed travel to a location where they could be a risk to the pro-fed government officials.

Looking at where the US military was deployed, the nuclear weapons and military bases were located in red states. The navy could control the coasts, but most of the coast was probably going to be pre-fed government. Technology has changed this, but at that time, most stateside troops were surrounded by people likely to be fighting against the Federal Government. Their families were in those communities.

The rebels had all sorts of military equipment because of defectors brought the equipment with them. The defectors also sabotaged the equipment left for the government.

What makes her think that if this thing goes hot, you'll be using your AR against people with tanks and aircraft?

Hasn't this stupid woman heard of cop-killer bullets? They can go right through body armor and tank hulls, and can bring down high-flying aircraft with a single shot. Especially if shot out of a shrouded barrel. And even if they don't have those, everyone knows a quadcopter will bring down a jet plane. Duh.

By the time jets and tanks are being used against the American people, they've already lost.

Ask her how she thinks it will play out on the evening news or on YouTube when footage of Illinois NG tanks are firing on homes somewhere in Montana. That worked out real well in Waco.

Imagine the above x100

The left:
“They are ineffective toys, we have nooks!”

Also the left:
“They are WMDs, baby killing death machines, hi capacity babnana clip ghost guns!”

Rifles work great on pilots and tankers outside their aircraft or tank. Or the Maintenance guys. Or the fuel truck. Or the cooks. Or the bunkhouse. Or even planes on the ground don’t much like perforations.

There is a long tail to support either. In a civil war those pilots also have family and need transport, grocery shopping, schools, movies etc.

My rifle is what I use to fight my way to my tank (that used to be yours).

I don't know. He's hung up on that True Colors song by Cyndi Lauper or something.

Exactly this.

I just call them idiots. Same with the idiots that say "So you think civilians should have nuclear weapons?"

People that say these things are ill equipped for rational discussion.

Before they give The Order, they will be safely in whatever doomsday bunker we taxpayers have built for them. We’ll have to go to CO or WV to drag them out of their holes.

This Civil War won’t happen.

The Leftists are bigger wet-dreamers than we are. They believe, in their heart of hearts that they can just order the Police and Military to do their bidding, and it will be done.

Even if they read this whole thread and post it on DU, they will go on believing that, after a few gun owners are rounded up, the rest of us will willingly turn in our weapons. Even that dipshit working for Sanders calling for violence didn’t see the potential for resistance (the Left has NO idea what real resistance means). He said (between F-bombs) some right wingers would have to be re-educated.

They are simply too arrogant to consider, to plan for or to broach the subject of “what happens if the right doesn’t do what we think they will?”.

If they ever decide to kick off the violence in a non-deep Blue city, they are going to find out how wrong they have been. That’s when, IMO, it will get dangerous for us. They’re likely to backpedal, say their sorry then figure they need to eradicate that 100 million people.

That keeps me up at night.

TC

See it once in a while in lefty leaning newspapers.
The Washington Post is famous for truly ignorant comments making it into the paper.

You can also explain to her that the rural countryside where her water, food, and electricity
come from is not going to supply her if Civil Ear II breaks out.

Most larger cities would have major blackouts with only a few lines feeding them being disrupted.
Transformers are NOT armored items, and a decent size bolt action (say .30-06) can easily make a mess of them.
All those heat exchangers on the outside are made of rather thin metal.

Let alone that the water delivery lines need electricity and are usually protected by o more
than a eight foot chain link fence at each pump station or access point.
NYC uses massive reservoirs and tunnels (some are real engineering feats) to get water from the Northern part of the state of NY.

we don't need to hurt tankers or pilots it is a waste.

WE NEED TO HURT POLITICIANS

Disable the following:

Coffee cup holder
Cigarette tray
High-Def Stereo system

No pilot will fly then.

Unlike Russian planes, ours need a clean airfield.  Sucks to suck in nuts, bolts and rocks.

Concur.  There are no winners.   I've long maintained this and dread it if it happens.  Easily 15 million will die off without a bullet needing to be fired.  Denial of medicine or medical care will kill a lot of our elderly muy pronto.  Then when you throw in food, water, electricity, toss in another 10 million within two months.  The longer it lasts, the greater the die off --- Just what the globalists want too.