Hell, the North Vietnamese and the Vietcong fought pretty primitive......

That would quickly tie up lots of troops and police deployed to guard the politicians.

It is a large country with a lot of politicians at many levels.Most of them would probbaly
fill their pants at the sight of an armed crowd.

And your swat stacks are ineffective against an inert claymore filled with tannerite and ball bearings set to detonate by a shotgun shell tripwire. Or so I've read on the interwebs.

There's people on this very board that wants the Military to smoke Trump sopporters, imagine in a democrat strong hold.

A motherfucker willing to carve a bow and fletch arrows to kill your ass in this day and age is one dedicated motherfucker.

Never underestimate someone with determination and time to kill.

the use of "trumps" in that reply had me scratching my head for a minute..

This is the sort of shit that keeps pieces of shit like northam and cuhomo awake at night. None of the aforementioned killers set out with the intent of dismantling society; they were all thoroughly nuts, even mcveigh was a bit out of his gourd.

One man with a rifle and the will to do violence can change the course of history. People have forgotten this. And there is a 50/50 chance that we will be getting a harsh reminder of that later this year.

A nuclear device is a relatively fragile and complicated piece of technology. A bullet in any number of places will disrupt it and prevent it from hitting critical mass.

Ever see that movie The Crazies?

You keep thinking that. Because that's exactly what the British said when they fought a bunch of farmers.

Further more no ARMY has ever beat a foreign people fighting a guerilla warfare.

If anything were to happen to cause AMERICANS to fight to regain control of our government from political TYRANTS.

That have violated the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS.

Kinda like the domestic political TREASONOUS TYRANTS that are violating their oath of office in Virginia.

Turning innocient Americans into criminals by totally IGNORING the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS with unconstitutional laws.

Americans would destroy the military and every other entity attempting to turn AMERICANS into slaves.

Using guerilla warfare tactics.

The very moment the government starts attacking innocient AMERICANS and rounding them or killing them. How do you think that will fare.

When those people the government hurt are the families of the military, L.E.O.s ect.

Even families of the LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.

You'd be extremely surprised how quickly the left will change their minds about alot of things.

When the government they supported come after them or their sons, daughters, parents accusing them of things they did not do.

When the government starts killing innocient Americans out of fear.

Never under estimate the resolve of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

What these LEFT WING SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS calling themselves the DEMOCRATIC PARTY want and are attempting is nothing short of a COUP against a sitting PRESIDENT and the American people.

It would not be hard at all for America to take back our government from tyrants that are nothing more than ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

There would be casualties though. But POLITICAL LEADERS will run and be more concerned about themselves and their family. Because they can not protect their entire families.

Again ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES can't enforce anything without traitors to the Constitution and Bill of Rights to do it for them. Plus protect them.

I do not care about what kind of security you think you have. No one is untouchable. Especially when your enemy looks and talks like you.

Make no mistake. The AMERICAN PEOPLE are not the enemy. It is CORRUPTED power hungry political EXTREMISTS.

Once people have experienced FREEDOM. They will fight to the death to keep it.

Everyone here knows through history what gun control and confiscation by the government lead to once it was done. Every single time in history, not just once.

The DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS PARTY had better be very careful. Because all these fake polls saying most Americans want this or that. They don't mean squat.

Just like all those POLLS that said their girl Hillary was going to win by a landslide.

I always like to remind AMERICANS that the CONSTITUTION starts with WE THE PEOPLE not WE the GOVERNMENT.

We are the true power of this nation. They are nothing but career ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES. That believe we are too stupid to decide anything.

Plus an armed American is a threat to them keeping power over us. They've been in office so long they've come to believe they are American royalty.

They are nothing. We put them there. If they violate the trust we gave them. If they violate the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS.

It is our duty to defend AMERICA and remove these traitors.

No. I generally avoid conversing with liberal fools.

If an AR-15 is so worthless why is it issued to every soldier and marine? And if it is so worthless why do politicians hate and fear them?

tell her we live next door to you, you ok with them shelling, bombing my house when yours it right next to it.

Not to mention you will end up living in the subdivision with the F15 pilots parents and not some insurgent 6,000 miles away in a cave.

Plus you could always hide in buildings with abortion clinics, no way are they gonna bomb that shit.

Maybe not yet. But if AMERICA does fight against a TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT.

There will be. There will be new founding fathers, new patriots that will go down in history. For fighting to uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. No matter what the Left says. AMERICA will never SURRENDER it's freedom.

Especially to elected representatives we put in office.

Do not ever underestimate the resolve of Americans when they have no choice and are pushed into fighting for something they believe in so much. They are willing to die for it.

To even believe there are no patriots today is ignorant. Just look around you.

It always amazes me. When people like you say things like that. No not all AMERICANS are patriotic enough or believe in anything worth fighting for or dying for.

They want others to fight and die for them.

People will say AMERICANS are fat and lazy and will just surrender their rights without a fight. Will surrender their guns,freedom and religion.

You comment is a prime example of that. There were people who said the samething in 1775.

Good thing those fat and lazy people, farmers, thieves, fathers and sons did not listen to those. Saying the samething you are.

There would have never been a Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Hancock or anyone else. We'd be flying the British flag today.

Oh and they fought for the exact samething we are upset with today.

Taxes, regulation and disarming AMERICA.  But there's a hugh difference today as compared to then.

To day we actually have a CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS to fight for. Because these treasonous TRAITOROUS LEFT WING SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS ELECTED POLITICAL LEADERS want to destroy it.

Want to regulate something they have zero RIGHTS to touch. A document that acknowledges and recognizes our freedoms. Not grant them.

They always fail to recognize that the majority of the tank commanders and pilots aren't on their side.

Imagine Werner Herzog reading this.

You're welcome

TLDR

-don't talk to liberals
-don't talk to liberals about things that can get you red flagged

They don't get it, that's why they're libs.

If it ever came to that, and the military was willing to allow themselves to be used to murder American citizens, American citizens would very quickly come up with weapons to fight tanks and aircraft effectively.  A few good American engineers and machinists could develop an effective tank-busting weapon in short order.  Aircraft would be much more difficult to deal with, but I imagine it wouldn't be too long before home-brewed and/or stolen anti-aircraft systems started appearing.

If goat-fucking cavemen can field effective IEDs and held the Soviet Army at bay in Afghanistan, I promise Americans can do better.

Personally, I don't think it would ever come to this, on any kind of large scale anyway.  The US military is made up of us at the end of the day.

Aircraft have to land somewhere, UAVs have to be controlled from somewhere.
Tanks have to refuel somewhere, those guys gotta eat & take a crap sooner or later.
There’s always a way to fight with a rifle.
Also, if rifles really are useless they wouldn’t be so focused on taking them away.

Most tanks are lost due to infantry...that crew has to stop to eat, shit, refuel, rearm, maintain and rest sometime.  Track them from a distance like mammoths all day if need be.

When active without infantry support (because AR's shot their support), hop on, spray paint over the vision ports and throw some molotov's over the intakes and grenades down the barrel and we can have some real fun when they hop out with our AR's.

Also those saying this are assuming (wrongly) that the military will all not join the pro USA freedom fighters from the poor and working middle class from which the came and not turn on the elitists.

Tanks and airplanes aren't the problem.  Politicians are.

This

I kinda think a lot of these people think it's just gonna be a bunch of fat guys standing out in the middle of Kansas facing down tanks and getting mowed down while they cheer on the military.  The gun banners I've talked to have no concept of what would really happen, their default is always "You can't take on a tank or bomber with your gun!"

I usually say "Thank you for admitting that the 2nd amendment has already been infringed upon too much."

There are very few people who know I own guns at all, much less what I own, and I stopped talking about politics with anyone I don’t know extremely well years ago. If someone I don’t know well says something that evinces leftist irrationality, I don’t argue or even disagree with them. I smile and nod sympathetically and then change the subject.

There is nothing to be gained by arguing or even discussing guns, politics etc with people who are mentally unbalanced, except a red flag down the road.

Or a bunch of Bundy supporters with lever action rifle on a bridge.

Well, the FBI was willing to lie to get 4 different FISA warrant applications to take down a sitting president.

Then why call it a weapon of war?

If the government is willing to turn tanks and planes against its people then we are way past the point of making any type of rational argument for having AR15s.  Plus, it's not against my AR15, it's against a magnitude of citizens with weapons.

I usually agree with them & ask if they’re supporting private ownership of tanks, jets and high explosives to keep the tyrants & .mil in check, because that’s what I endorse.



Afghanistan vs. Rooskies & the Taliban and other similar areas are topics these Leftists don’t want to acknowledge.

I love the Leftys.

They simultaneously condemn the military because it is overwhelmingly Conservative, while believing every military member will fall in line with the government (their government) orders during the boogaloo.

There are more than a few pilots and tankers who would take their vehicles and fly/drive them to friendly areas for use by the patriot forces

Not if you roll a 2 or less.

This may be a TL/DR folks here will want to read explaining how a leftist works. Part of how they win we lose.

Allow me to explain a liberal.
Liberals believe police and military are not people. Let me say that again. Law enforcement and members of the military are not people. They are property of the almighty state.
Notice, they have no consistency when it comes to law enforcement.
In one breath. Only the police should have AR15s. In the next breath its. Police are militarized trigger happy racist fascist pigs!

Leftists are feelers. Not thinkers.
They are bound by their feeble irrelevant feelz. They project their faults upon others, see... to them? The idea of tanks rolling down main street is horrifying.
To them the thought of strafe runs done on a town, a city, is absolutely scary. So, that must mean gun owners would be horrified too!
Except, we're not. We fucking know better.
Those are tools. Tanks. Drones. A10s. They aren't autonomous. They're physically manipulated just like a rifle.
By themselves they're useless. It takes an individual to manipulate them to achieve a task. While I don't doubt there would be some in Law enforcement and some in the military that would follow orders blindly. That "some" is a significant minority.

Those objects aren't tools of enforcement. They don't enforce anything. They deliver payloads/bombs/shells/munitions on target. How are you going to rule over those that have fallen to the munitions fired by the A10, M1 Abrams, Reaper drones etc? Answer. You cant. You need people filling boots and uniforms to enforce. Tanks and such aren't enforcing shit.

You have to remember. Leftist shit bags, cityiots, liberals, commies, socialists, and most suburbanites, are reliant off the sweat of someone else's brow to do for them. They're under the impression the military and police will follow orders with no objection. Other than being incapable, they are reliant upon socialized tax funded services.

Doubt it? Get one out of the comfort of suburbia, the HOA, the city.
Put them out in the sticks in rural America. Where they have to think and do for themselves. There's no trash collection. There's no walmart near by, that's a half hour car ride. There's no street lights. It gets dark when that sun goes down.
They cease to function. "How do you people live like this!?"

Hence their inconsistency towards law enforcement and the military. They serve them via tax funds.
If they truly supported law enforcement they'd be the ones donating to them. They'd come to their defense following use of lethal force. At the least bit, say: "woah let's not be so haste, wait until after the investigation before we skewer that guy."

But they dont. They're hyperbolic cunts that do not see law enforcement officers as human beings. They in the mind of a liberal, are a drone. Incapable of making an error in judgement, or error period. Until they do. Then its, MILITARIZED TRIGGER HAPPY RACIST FASCIST PIGS!
Military? Oh boy. Leftists are just the same in regards to military as they are the police.
Vietnam vets getting spit on, called baby killers. Same rings true to this day. I've had friends who served come home in uniform, get dirty looks and a couple have claimed to have received snarky obscene comments.

Leftists would gladly see to it the military be disbanded in its entirety.

And why? It's the socialized service that consistently gets the most tax dollars spent on it. With no military to fund, no collateral damages in 3rd world shit holes, free college and drum circles for everyone!
Besides. You can call ones patriotism into question if they don't support the military and all that it does. They can't do that in regards to welfare and good feelz initiatives. In fact. Some will argue the military gets better welfare and forms of assistance than the typical section 8 housing welfare recipient... they really believe this bullshit. They envy veterans with the VA. Little do they know how the VA is...

But as long as we exist? As long as we teach the youth the importance and significance of the 2nd? The one time the leftist ilk will support the military, is if they're directed to go weapons free on gun owners. They would smile ear to ear if a relative of theirs gets smoked for being a gun owner and not capitulating. The ends do in fact, justify their means.
I've had it out with a few who are content with mass shootings in churches and schools, so long as the result is getting firearms banned.
Their mental illness on display for all to see.

Constitution? The fuck does a leftist shit bag know about the constitution? Fuck all, other than it stands in their way to rape and pillage as they see fit.

I've spent far too many years living surrounded by them. Interacting with them, arguing with them. I've read their books. They're shit bags of the highest order. They do believe if the police and military were unleashed that we would shit ourselves and lay them out on the front lawn for them to be collected.
They really are that fucking dumb.
Remember.

The police and military are not comprised of people. Something happens once a person becomes a uniformed member of the military, branch irrelevant, and once a person becomes a uniformed police officer. They're no longer people. They're property of the state. Held in higher regards than fellow citizens of the USA. For fellow citizens are incapable to be trusted with their rights to keep and bear arms. Even if said citizen can out perform/out shoot the law enforcement officer or member of the military. Facts be damned, they are in uniform! That means something!
What that something is. They have yet to define. The closest they've come to explaining their love for only the police and only the military when it's most convienent for them, is training. Somehow the police and the military have superior training. Somehow. Just because. They say so.

But along comes a high profile use of force case spread by MSM you watch and see how quick those shit bags shit on the police.

Remember one thing when interacting with a leftist shit bag.
To them. Police and military are not human but property of the state.

They're a fucked up bunch boys.
And if you're a LEO and you've read this far, and want to call bullshit?

Cityiot leftist shit bags infiltrated my former AO in upstate NY...
They voted for and drafted ordinances carrying with them the weight of law. And hefty fines too.
When cityiots thought they were coy and got us by the balls? They fell on their swords for "justice is blind" right?
Wrong.
I chalk this up as When just doing my job/following orders, enforcing the laws on the books as they were written. Don't like the laws I enforce? Change them. Meets. Rules for thee, not for me.
Have your badge? Oh. They'll make that threat. It isnt just your badge they're after when a townie/hick called you to go shut those supercilious drunk cunts up at 2am...
They make it a ballot initiative to shut your department down. Especially! Especially if you are writing them speeding tickets, on roads, they cunted to get the speed limit reduced because WE'RE JOGGING HEEAAH! Write enough speeding tickets with supporting depositions for radar/laser detection?
Coupled with "enforcing the laws as they're written". Kiss your whole department, goodbye.

To a leftist. The police and military follow orders from uncle sam. Loyal to the death to the government. Not the constitution! But the government.

If I wasn't the only one engaging these shit bags in person and online elsewhere, it'd be a common known fact, plus the whole AR15vs .mil equipment argument...

Do engage these shit bags. It's not them who you're trying to convince. It's the middle of the road, the I couldn't care less neutral to guns/2nd type.
Remain calm. Smile. Laugh at the leftist feeble attempt to mock/ridicule/insult.
So long as you remain calm and get those fuckers wound up and descend into a fit of rage? To the right people, we will look sane. It isnt about trying to convince them. It's to convince those on the fence/middle of the road/couldn't care less/neutral to the 2nd.

Do that? We bring far more to the table and have leftist shit bags prove our point for us, that they're projecting their mental instability and shortcomings onto everyone else. Essentially, if you can keep your calm, match their feelz with facts and embarrass them?
You get to carry the victim card for once, you get credibility, while they're left standing there screeching you're insane! While you calm cool and collected made factual arguments that destroyed theirs based solely upon feelz...

Go for the Air Conditioning on all base housing. They’ll surrender.

The Revolution didn't start in 1775.   It started in the hearts and minds of the people decades prior to the first shots ever being fired.

I see nothing remotely close to that necessary revolution of mindset occurring with the population at large.

Yes, we have a Constitution.  We have a Bill of Rights.   So?   Most Americans don't give a fuck about the Constitution or Bill of Rights.

Correct... A simple, “I pray we never find out” says it all without saying anything and gives plenty of coverage should she run to HR or a judge.

Because police and military are property of the state. They're not people. They're property of the government. The police and military are not comprised of people. They're disposable, they do what leftists themselves can't do. And they answer to leftists. Which is why leftists pray to the altar of D.C. and expanding the government at the cost of taxes and rights.

The government is infallible. It can never do wrong. Just ask leftist shit bags their opinions on Ruby Ridge, Waco, Sending Mp5 toting goons after Elian Gonzalez, Bundy Ranch. Do it. Talk with these morons. It's amazing the shark jumps and lack of knowledge and lack of fact/evidence to reinforce their opinion. All they have are feelz.

The moment the government does wrong? It's the racist trigger happy fascists that got in. And that 1 bad apple does spoil the bushel.
Let an officer kill in the line of duty? ZOMG! MILITARIZED TRIGGER HAPPY RACIST FASCIST PIGS!
Suspect could absolutely been 100% in the wrong armed/shooting a true threat to public safety.
Shit birds of a feather flock together. They'll defend that shit bag the officer put down in the line of duty. Discredit that officer as a militant racist trigger happy so on so forth.
Let 1 round be fired in war, and it take a civilians life?
Leavenworth for that guy for murder.
Who cares they were engaged in a fire fight! Heartz and mindz!

The left really figured out how to have their cake and eat it too.
We can have our cake and eat it too if we engaged them more and converted more to our side...
Facts>Feelz.
They haven't 1 thing in their favor to support their gun grabbing aspirations. Not one thing in their favor. And it can be proven with the data from their infallible ATF, FBI, CDC.

This argument is such a crock of shit. It should take the average person half a second to see thru it.

the dynamic does change when both sides live behind the same enemy lines.

tell the coworker the rifle isn't for tanks or planes.  it is for him.

Very simply put Planes and tanks have people operating them. Planes don't stay up in the air all the time and tanks need maintenance.

For real. I have been training so hard in the 1MOA all day challenge that I can totally shoot down an ICBM. Stupid fucks thinking my AR15 can't stop a nucular missile. /s

Some of you are so out of touch with reality that I understand why people demand qualifications to purchase a firearm. There was a time when this and other forums self policed enough to make it plausible for gun owners to be seen as rational actors. Those days are long gone. We all look fucking nuts now.

So I've had this argument a few times with my liberal useful idiot friends. You have to start by destroying their assumptions:

- ALL military/LEOs will be on the government side
- They will ALL follow orders to blindly kill American civilians like automatons
- Their silly video game understanding of military weapon systems i.e. unlimited reloads, fuel, range, etc.

I could keep going, but you get the picture. And I also constantly cite Afganistan as a modern day example of what a man with a rifle and belief can do. Our own revolution as well.

They are obviously okay with the government using tanks and aircraft against its own citizens

that's what trees, lamp posts, telephone poles, and gas station awnings are there for.

If the tank crew hates liberals and commies more than normal Americans, then I don't have to worry about the tanks.

whether it was ever actually said the sentiment is pretty good, Behind every blade of grass...…..