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Link Posted: 3/29/2019 6:30:30 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/29/2019 6:32:01 PM EST
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I would have one for a reloading cave/ walk in gun room.
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Do you want to know the real trick the globalist are playing?

...it's convincing you that your awesomely successful when your revenue is great and your net is nothing, after taxes, interest, and depreciation.

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And buying into a tiny house stops them from taxing and redistributing how? They plan on increasing their revenue from you, not decreasing it, you gotta get used to living on less, of everything.....
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 6:32:54 PM EST
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Not fixed. Take a look and see for yourself
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 6:43:42 PM EST
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I still say bears
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I still say bears
Here's your sign, Mary...
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 6:44:10 PM EST
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Dumb millennial trend.

They don't realize how fucking incredible it is that they can put their home on wheels. So ungrateful for the times we live in.
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 6:48:12 PM EST
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LOL.  Where do you put all your guns in on of those?
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 6:50:43 PM EST
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LOL.  Where do you put all your guns in on of those?
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I know, how do they store firearms without a mortgage.  
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 7:01:31 PM EST
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And buying into a tiny house stops them from taxing and redistributing how? They plan on increasing their revenue from you, not decreasing it, you gotta get used to living on less, of everything.....
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No, your mind brushed right over a couple of the variables on the way to slavery and worthlessness I listed.

Taxes on revenue or income was one.  But interest and depreciation on worthless things were the other two.  Don't get in debt unless you'll produce more income from the debt then its service.  Don't get into debt for luxury items, or for short term masturabation, especially if it depreciates in value.
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 7:06:37 PM EST
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Little bit of column A, little bit of column B?

If a "tiny house" were in fact an actual structure on a foundation, I could maybe dig it.

If it's just a trailer that's going to be destroyed if you ever try to move it, I'm no longer interested.

There is little doubt that a lot of people could be content with a much smaller home.
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 7:14:28 PM EST
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Oh man that's terrible. What happened to your house?
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 7:15:30 PM EST
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My thoughts? free country, right? spend your cash how you want.
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 7:19:01 PM EST
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My family of 5 lives in a tiny home. Its a 450sf park model RV in an RV park, and it's tiny as hell. We moved here with the intention of iving here temporarily while paying off some debts. We sold our house and bought this place outright, so we have no mortgage and our only utility bill is electric.

It was awesome to get rid of our unneeded junk, and realize how little we truly need. We have been house hunting recently, and its amazing to see how much unnecessary crap most people seem to accumulate.
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After spending more than a year without running water, a microwave, a store, electricity, a fridge or freezer, and bare necessities like salt, I can't agree more.
It's freedom in a way, just takes awhile to get used to it.
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 7:36:58 PM EST
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I guess you haven't read my posts.

The globalist want you in debt.  They want you to consume. They want you to believe that the more you consume the happier you'll be.

Put it on Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat...convince others to be a slave.

How do I know this?  Because I'm one of them.
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I’ve already lived in a hovel. It sucked.

My net worth is growing (much) faster than the interest I pay on my mortgage, and it’s my only debt. Property tax? Yeah it blows. I’m ok with my “not living in a hovel” fee.  Want to live in a little box like a third worlder? Knock yourself out. I’ll take my multi bedroom domicile with running water, central AC and room for my materialist toys. If commies want me to live in a little crate they can suck it.

What the evil people of the world want is for people to forget how to make a plural of words ending in “ist”.
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 7:37:50 PM EST
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I guess you haven't read my posts.

The globalist want you in debt.  They want you to consume. They want you to believe that the more you consume the happier you'll be.

Put it on Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat...convince others to be a slave.

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But you know that we know that you’re a globalist,  BUT we know that you know that we know, so thatpost was yet another globalist plot!
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 7:40:32 PM EST
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But you know that we know that you’re a globalist,  BUT we know that you know that we know, so thatpost was yet another globalist plot!
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We're always gaming you guys.  Sometimes just for fun.
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 7:54:03 PM EST
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I guess you haven't read my posts.

The globalist want you in debt.  They want you to consume. They want you to believe that the more you consume the happier you'll be.

Put it on Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat...convince others to be a slave.

How do I know this?  Because I'm one of them.
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If downsizing or rightsizing is good I guess I'm missing how the globalists are behind the downsizing/tiny houses fad.
I guess you haven't read my posts.

The globalist want you in debt.  They want you to consume. They want you to believe that the more you consume the happier you'll be.

Put it on Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat...convince others to be a slave.

How do I know this?  Because I'm one of them.
I saw you (I think it was you) say that tiny houses are a conspiracy of the globalists. Not sure how that meshes with "them" wanting you to be in debt since they're typically a LOT cheaper than the regular mcmansion and there's no room for the "stuff" most people have.
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 8:00:55 PM EST
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I saw you (I think it was you) say that tiny houses are a conspiracy of the globalists. Not sure how that meshes with "them" wanting you to be in debt since they're typically a LOT cheaper than the regular mcmansion and there's no room for the "stuff" most people have.
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wasn't me

Link Posted: 3/29/2019 8:40:11 PM EST
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I like some of the concepts surrounding them.

"Don't be attached to things" "Don't be owned or burdened by your possessions", etc.

As a person with a house full of stuff (good stuff but still, stuff) and a hankering to buy more just because it's interesting, I would like to downsize a bit.

But, I hate getting rid of stuff I like. My ammo fort wouldn't fit in one of those tiny houses.
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I like the organization required to own stuff and live in a small house, and not have it scattered around like a madwoman's shit.

But I like having a big house with a lot of stuff in it. Stuff I enjoy, and stuff I use. I wouldn't give up my stuff to live in a tiny house.

My stuff is organized to a certain extent, and is by no means cluttered, but I think the organization could be more efficient. Like, there is stuff in my desk that should probably be in one of my tool chests. Or stuff in Rubbermaid tub in the spare bedroom that I could consolidate into one of the tubs in the attic or garage.

I declutter pretty frequently, and I trash cheap, single-purpose stuff quickly. I throw away dollar-store full rolls and partial rolls of Christmas wrapping paper as soon as the presents are wrapped. I'm not going to store a $1 roll of wrapping paper for a year.

All this talk about taxes and such? Pay to play, or GBPSE.
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 8:46:51 PM EST
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I saw you (I think it was you) say that tiny houses are a conspiracy of the globalists. Not sure how that meshes with "them" wanting you to be in debt since they're typically a LOT cheaper than the regular mcmansion and there's no room for the "stuff" most people have.
wasn't me

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Sorry, I thought it was for some reason. I apologize.
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 8:58:50 PM EST
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Not for me
but I've seen some interesting ideas for storage/multipurpose stuff on the tiny home cable tv show
Link Posted: 3/29/2019 9:22:34 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/29/2019 9:36:36 PM EST
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While I have no desire to live in a mobile home/tiny home, I have to admit Qweevox makes a lot of sense.  Debt cripples all social classes.

Maybe in retirement I'll look into a sub 1000 sq ft cabin in the mountains on a slab foundation, running power, water and utilites.  Smaller is definitely better at times.  I just won't go full hippy/trailer trash.

Eta: my cabin will have a permaculture edible garden, stocked pond, range and deer plot visible from my porch.  Hell yeah
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 6:19:09 AM EST
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I want a BioDome, just like my own personal Mars colony.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 7:11:41 AM EST
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I'm always confused by GD's reaction to tiny houses. Sure, you can find some anecdotes of ridiculously priced tiny houses, but most of them cost less than regular sized homes. And millennials have plenty of reasons to be wary of buying a house.

They saw the great recession - in fact, many of them graduated and tried to get their first job in it. And there's been a great recovery, but the new jobs aren't as widely distributed as they once were. In fact, 50% of the new jobs to replace the lost ones are situated in a few counties:



Millennials are also wary of marrying. At the same ages, half the millennials are married as were baby Boomers. But maybe this isn't that bad of an idea - after all, it's not hard to find a millennial who saw the destruction wrought by their parents' divorce, or to a close friend's parents. With only one income, it's harder to qualify for a home loan.

Speaking of, the price of homes overall is inflated. It's expected to keep going up (until the bubble bursts, that is.)

So, imagine you're 25. People are egging you to buy a house that now costs - even adjusting for inflation - twice (or more) what they paid for the same damned house. And you're not married. Whether you have a degree or not, you don't have much of a work resume. And you don't even know if the city you're considering buying in will be a ghost town in ten years.

So they come up with an economically conservative, debt-free, free-market solution and... GD hates it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 7:33:39 AM EST
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A surplus FEMA trailer would be roomier, cheaper, and better built.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 7:35:19 AM EST
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I've told this before here, but its worth repeating.

My friend did the tiny house thing.
At first it was really cool and worked well for him. He had just got done living in a sailboat for a few years which made the transition pretty seamless.
However, this was his home on his land and shit needs to get done.
As he assembled all his former "stuff" from before the sailboat life, he needed a place to store it all so he got a storage unit for his tools, kayak, and other stuff.

Need to build or fix something? Run to the storage space. Want to go fishing or kayaking? Another run to the storage unit.
He got tired of having to make a special trip every time he needed to do something and found it wasn't cheaper or efficient. It became a pain in the ass. Every time he wanted to do something, it required a trip to town to the extra space he was paying rent on. It defeated the purpose.

He built an addition on the tiny home....and a small garage. I believe he's about 900 sq ft now with a 1.5 garage.
Now its "right sized". Small, efficient, easy to maintain and was cheaper to build than a big home.
He's happy now.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 7:42:40 AM EST
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I came across the photo looking at landark. I believe they do custom designs. https://landarkrv.com/

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Do you have any more pics of that one?  It looks pretty damn sweet.  We’re searching for the right piece of mountain land now and plan to put something small on it until we can afford the “extended family lodge” that we need.
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I came across the photo looking at landark. I believe they do custom designs. https://landarkrv.com/

I like this one.  Very similar to what I envision as being able to move it around in a large property, for example during different seasons, or enjoying part of it each time I would go there on vacations.

The problem with this one is the price point. $144k is too much for that thing.  As others said, a similar size trailer would cost a lot less.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 7:56:47 AM EST
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For a young guy, or perhaps couple, I think it's awesome, if you can hack it.  But then I'm a total freedom kind of guy.  Part of that is my anti-ARFcom philosophy of living as cheaply as possible, and avoiding non-profit debt.  Don't buy depreciating assets with debt, don't get into debt unless it makes you more than the cost of the debt service, ect.  Absolutely don't buy shit you can live without with debt.

Which is strange coming from a Wall Street portfolio manager.  But people really do slave themselves to debt.  They end up no different than the chattel slaves, that still exist today.  Except they think they're awesome and they're "free-range" slaves.

They're slaves that can move anywhere they want, and do any job for an employer, that pays those who own them.

The only income that's really yours, is what's left after you pay the government and your lenders.
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^^^^^^^ Pretty much this.  It amazes me seeing how many get into high debt just to live a make-believe life but constantly struggle with the bills.

And add older retired couple or empty nesters, etc. to the potential market.   My wife has been talking about moving to a smaller house when our son leaves.  I want a large plot.  Might compromise on something like one of those little houses (or a large trailer) that we could tow around our property.   Its size makes very easy to make it completely off-grid.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 8:52:39 AM EST
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Reflection of the decline of American affluence.  I can't fit my library in one of those things.
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This, for the most part.

That being said... My house is 2k sq ft under roof, I'm divorced. I could easily get by with half that amount of house. My youngest brother (married with a single child) built an 1100 sq ft house a few years ago.  He did an exceptional job in the layout. Large great room with open kitchen and attic is finished with a small room for storage. We've often had family gatherings at his place and did not feel cramped.

If I was going to have a "tiny" house, it would only be a portable hunting cabin, but I'd rather just buy a good used camper to serve that purpose.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 8:53:09 AM EST
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1) Awesome new way for people to simplify, declutter and distress their live all while helping their environment.

2) Way for poor millennials with worthless degrees, massive student loan debt, and no job prospects to hide the fact that they are just living in a f**king trailer.

EDIT: I have no desire to live in a Tiny Home. Just curious as I keep seeing news articles and youtube videos about them.
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Oh you mean the true personal property tiny home movement... not the "homeless shelter in your backyard" thing they're trying to shove down people's throats.

I think... their property their choice.

That being said, I'm thinking a lot of people don't really understand what they're getting into.  Sure the homes advertised on TV are adorable, but that's on purpose.  In reality it'll probably end up more like a college dorm mess unless you're a neat-freak.

You'll have to double-up on what you use your main room for - living room, dining room, bedroom.  The entertainment portion will at least be easy - hook up the computer to a flat-screen TV w/ a soundbar.  But you won't have much privacy if company come over. ... or a place to sleep if they don't leave.

Your bed options will be limited too - unless you get some kind of loft or bunk style, you may have to get familiar with Murphy beds, or those folding couches.  ... and if your home does have a dedicated bedroom, it'll mean less room in the rest of the home.

And most likely you'll need a storage unit - for clothes that aren't in the current season, holiday decorations, anything you might normally store in your basement or garage.

It's a lot to consider really before taking the plunge.

Basically I think it's a cute fad.  But hey it's your money.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 9:02:50 AM EST
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They would be fine if they weren't in the same category as:

Crossfit
Keto
Rescue animals

Or any other cool item that requires the story teller to make sure you know how special their story is by qualifying it with something like...

Thanks for saying my dog is beautiful, he's a rescue.

Oh my house is new and my partner and I love it, it's a tiny house.

Started my diet last week, doin Keto brah

I am so sore!  We added few new stations in our Crossfit gym!

Take out the qualifiers and the story is still a good one, but they just gotta make sure you know they're special
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 9:07:47 AM EST
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Years ago I thought it was a novel approach to get a decent roof over one's head for not a lot of money especially if you're young and/or do need a lot. Given how much the cost of some of these tiny homes has inflated in recent years I no longer feel that way unless you can keep the cost down.
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Plus the way they are constructed, most are heavy. The ones I saw on a TV documentary needed a fairly large truck to move them. If I were doing something like that for strictly economic limitations, I'd just refurb a school bus. (laugh if you want, but I'd seen YT videos of some tricked out buses that were done really well).  The advantage is it could have the same amount of space, or more and not require hiring a mover. When I was a teen, an older (than us) friend gutted and reworked a smaller school bus to serve as a hunting cabin/camper.  His was not as fancy as some I'd seen, but he'd overhauled the engine and drive train to handle long trips. It served it's purpose.
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Good luck with that.
We built to down size, ended up the same size, just newer and much better tho.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 9:19:26 AM EST
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I would love to see a " Where are they now 12 months later?" type show.
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It's like all the TV shows on them have disappeared after people learned that it sucks living in that close proximity to others.
I would love to see a " Where are they now 12 months later?" type show.
This.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 9:22:12 AM EST
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Fuck tiny living. Been doing that for just over a year now, living in a 5th wheel while we build our house. We also have a Rottie that farts like a maniac, a boxer, and 2 cats that won't leave us alone. Fuck tiny living x 87.

Those people have no idea what they're in for.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 9:24:53 AM EST
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Giant workshop and giant garage. Don't really need the house
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I wouldn't mind a tiny house if a had a giant workshop.
Giant workshop and giant garage. Don't really need the house
I have a fairly small house ~1,400sqft. There is about 300sqft of house we don't use (living room).
It has a 1,500sqft attached shop and another ~700sqft out outbuildings (wood shop, storage etc).

I could use more shop space but would be perfectly happy in a smaller house. We lived in a ~700sqft house for a couple of years and were fine.
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 9:26:33 AM EST
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They're more like large motorhomes or trailers but with more space. Some are pretty cool inside considering their size
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if they made that into an RV or mobile I'd buy that
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 9:27:40 AM EST
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Tax loophole

Spoke to a guy in park city that had land with a decked out "tiny home". It was over 1000sqft.

If it has wheels you don't have to pay the value of the structure on your property taxes. He was taxed only on his lot value.

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I like it
Link Posted: 3/30/2019 9:29:58 AM EST
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Price per Square foot is ridiculous on tiny homes.

Used airstreams or trailer homes offer a better value.
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I wonder why He felt the need to wear a watch living alone out in the middle of nowhere
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This.  Not an actual housing alternative.  
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It's just a trendy way to get people to pay the price of a small home on what amounts to a big playhouse.
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Honestly why not just get a trailer? They are actually pretty nice now. And bigger.

Or a 5th wheel if you want to be more mobile.
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That's a bit extreme.

1,200 sq. ft. would be awesome though, mine is just over 2k and it's too much.
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For the money they spend on some of these places you can buy a 40 foot 5th wheel camper with more space and amenities and get cable, internet and hook ups at a long term camp ground. Move if you get tired of the location.
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Poll Fail....
Missing Trailer trash option
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My hobbies and interests alone would fill one of those places. They're not for me.

They may very well be fine for some, but I'll pass.
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That what gets me, most of the tiny homes I see on the TV shows lack a decent bathroom (often just a composting toilet and no shower) , kitchen (2 burner stove with almost no counter space or cabinets), bedroom (most are a loft you can barely sit up in) and next to no room left over for storage.

You can find a nice used 4 season 5th wheel for less than what they are building these tiny homes for that comes with a real bedroom with closets, a bathroom with a tub and shower, a usable kitchen with an oven and microwave, tons of storage, a dining area/entertainment area with couches, chairs, big screen TV, stacked washer and drier and a whole bunch of other amenities.

But RVs aren't "Hip and Trendy"
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This needs to be ingrained into the brain of every young person starting out in the world.

Do you have a newsletter, because you need to write about this stuff.
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