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Posted: 7/14/2017 12:37:17 AM EST
Selected sections below, but full text at link.  Winning 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-jeff-sessions-delivers-remarks-press-conference-announcing-2017-health


The Department of Justice coordinated efforts between our Criminal Division, U.S. Attorneys' Offices, Health and Human Services and more than 1,000 state and federal law enforcement agents to charge 412 defendants-including 56 doctors. These defendants have defrauded taxpayers of approximately $1.3 billion.
As a result of this operation, 295 health care providers are now in the process of being suspended or banned from participation in federal health programs.
Among those defendants announced today, 120 have been charged with opioid-related crimes, making this also the largest opioid-related fraud takedown in American history. One group of defendants-including six doctors-are alleged to have operated a scheme in Michigan to prescribe patients with unnecessary opioids, some of which ended up for sale on the street. These defendants allegedly billed Medicare for $164 million in false and fraudulent claims.

While today is a historic day, the Department's work is not finished. In fact, it is just beginning. We will continue to find, arrest, prosecute, convict, and incarcerate fraudsters and drug dealers wherever they are. We will use every tool we have to stop criminals from exploiting vulnerable people and stealing our hard-earned tax dollars. We are continuing to work hard to develop even more techniques to identify and prosecute wrongdoers.
We are sending a clear message to criminals across the country: we will find you. We will bring you to justice. And, you will pay a very high price for what you have done.

I want to thank Secretary Price for his leadership and for sharing his expertise as a renowned physician. I want to also thank the dedicated HHS personnel for their valuable assistance. I want to thank all of the Department of Justice attorneys, staff and agents who did their part to make today possible. They have made the entire Department proud. Above all I think that we owe a major debt of gratitude to the over 1,000 law enforcement officers involved in these cases. I want to thank them and their families for their service to this country. Thank you and now I'll turn this over to Secretary Price.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 12:58:26 AM EST
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Huh... just read in another thread that sessions was the worst.
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What I got from the other topic... which turned quickly into a name calling train wreck... it's only OK for Sessions to go after these guys if mandatory minimum sentences are not being considered.  After all, it's just a little fraud, property crime, and trafficking in narcotics. 
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 1:18:27 AM EST
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Even a dumbass can occasionally get something correct.

Dude seriously needs to drop the pot needle thing. It's not helping.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 2:42:14 AM EST
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Dog and pony show.

They nabbed 412 suspects in what is possibly the most fraud ridden industry in America, and now they parade themselves around and want pats on the back.

That's some mighty fine police work.

Maybe next month they can wrangle up a few frauds using their welfare monies to buy drugs. Think it's doable?
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More than Obama did, or (at least that I remember) Bush.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 2:49:28 AM EST
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Dog and pony show.

They nabbed 412 suspects in what is possibly the most fraud ridden industry in America, and now they parade themselves around and want pats on the back.

That's some mighty fine police work.

Maybe next month they can wrangle up a few frauds using their welfare monies to buy drugs. Think it's doable?
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They claim these defendants defrauded 1.3billion which is a pretty hefty amount.
Start throwing some people in jail and reclaiming some of this fraud money and we will be getting some good progress
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 2:52:51 AM EST
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Dog and pony show.

They nabbed 412 suspects in what is possibly the most fraud ridden industry in America, and now they parade themselves around and want pats on the back.

That's some mighty fine police work.

Maybe next month they can wrangle up a few frauds using their welfare monies to buy drugs. Think it's doable?
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Hey, a billion here and a billion there and pretty soon we're talking real money!

We have to start somewhere.  Over a billion seems like a decent showing.  And seeing the law enforced might actually have some deterrent value.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 3:51:01 AM EST
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They should have also arrested Hussein and every single dem who voted for Obamacare for Fraud.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 4:04:50 AM EST
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Reads like 'pissed into ocean, caused coastal flooding'.

Financially it'll provide the same boom as Joe Blow finding $0.25 on street. In reality, if politicians see 1.6 billion saved - they'll spend 10.6 billion.

Want to color me impressed?  Get some of the American trillions looted by the banks and con-gressmen. While it's a lot to one man, a billion ain't shit when it took a $999 million in man hours to get it and we're still 20 trillion in debt.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 4:11:09 AM EST
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I'm certain some fucktard Hawaiin judge will soon be along to tell Sessions to drop all charges.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 4:58:55 AM EST
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Reads like 'pissed into ocean, caused coastal flooding'.

Financially it'll provide the same boom as Joe Blow finding $0.25 on street. In reality, if politicians see 1.6 billion saved - they'll spend 10.6 billion.

Want to color me impressed?  Get some of the American trillions looted by the banks and con-gressmen. While it's a lot to one man, a billion ain't shit when it took a $999 million in man hours to get it and we're still 20 trillion in debt.
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It's still a start, and more than the previous administrations have tried.  Kinda like how there have been a ton of people fired at the VA.  Yeah, they are small numbers, but it gets the ball rolling.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 5:06:37 AM EST
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It's a start!
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 5:21:37 AM EST
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MAGA!
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 5:27:53 AM EST
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They just got 56 doctors in NJ for taking money from Drug Companies to write Oxy scripts.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 6:13:26 AM EST
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They won't touch the drug companies. All types of drugs go out the back for to places that aren't recorded.
The amount of money they donate to " reelection" campaigns has made many Congressmen and Senators millionaires.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 6:27:52 AM EST
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Dog and pony show.

They nabbed 412 suspects in what is possibly the most fraud ridden industry in America, and now they parade themselves around and want pats on the back.

That's some mighty fine police work.

Maybe next month they can wrangle up a few frauds using their welfare monies to buy drugs. Think it's doable?
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Awww, was your doc on the list?
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 6:34:24 AM EST
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Oh, good. Now more doctors will refuse to issue pain med to patients who need them. Doctors are seeing it as too much of a gamble with the government going after them. Doctor issues meds to a patient who needs them, patient has a grandkid or whatever who is stealing them, grandkid gets caught, police visit doctor.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 6:36:43 AM EST
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Oh, good. Now more doctors will refuse to issue pain med to patients who need them. Doctors are seeing it as too much of a gamble with the government going after them. Doctor issues meds to a patient who needs them, patient has a grandkid or whatever who is stealing them, grandkid gets caught, police visit doctor.
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Pain meds, especially opiods are way over prescribed as is. There are tons of other options out there, to where the clinics up here have big signs stating that no scripts like that will be given. It's cut down on druggies abusing the clinics a lot up here. 

Granted we've had a massive heroin and meth issue pop up in the last two years out of the blue. 
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:35:24 AM EST
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Amazing people are upset about trying to stop fraud.

Muh pain meds
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:38:09 AM EST
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Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:40:41 AM EST
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I thought we didn't like Sessions?

Maybe he's good at doing his job--- ENFORCING THE DAMN LAW--- and we've forgotten what that looks like?
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:40:59 AM EST
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Tip of the iceberg.

Almost all govt programs have massive fraud.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:43:18 AM EST
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Even a dumbass can occasionally get something correct.

Dude seriously needs to drop the pot needle thing. It's not helping.
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Huh... just read in another thread that sessions was the worst.
Even a dumbass can occasionally get something correct.

Dude seriously needs to drop the pot needle thing. It's not helping.
"but muh dope"
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:45:25 AM EST
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I thought we didn't like Sessions?

Maybe he's good at doing his job--- ENFORCING THE DAMN LAW--- and we've forgotten what that looks like?
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Bingo!

Actually most haven't forgotten, they just don't want them enforced and would be happier with the Obama and Holder administration.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:54:15 AM EST
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One fake rehab facility for drug addicts in Palm Beach is alleged to have recruited addicts with gift cards, visits to strip clubs, and even drugs-enabling the company to bill for over $58 million in false treatments and tests.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:58:26 AM EST
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I'm a solid 'Sessions is a retard' but.........

Great job on this one, keep it up and opinions can be changed.

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Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:59:01 AM EST
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Digging a hole in the ocean with a shovel, but at least they're fighting.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:02:03 AM EST
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Amazing people are upset about trying to stop fraud.

Muh pain meds
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It's not about the "fraud"; that's just a handy label to slap over the top of Sessions' personal white-knight campaign against drug abuse.  If they were purely interested in prosecuting fraud there are much richer fields to reap out there in the healthcare and welfare industries.

If I thought for a second that the WOD would actually do something to alleviate drug abuse and crime in this country I'd support it with all my heart.  But it won't, for the exact same reasons gun control laws don't work to suppress violent crime: the criminals don't care what the the law says.  And there will always be ways to obtain those things they desire, because where demand exists, supply will follow.  Always.  100% of the time.  Drugs, guns, alcohol, ivory, credit card numbers, kiddie porn...  access to all supposedly regulated or denied by law, yet all are easily available to anyone with the cash and the desire.

So, again like the war on guns, aggressive regulation and prosecution will only harm those with a legitimate need for the drugs.  It's an undeniable and inescapable result that will happen every time we attempt to control human behavior with a pen and a gavel.  And unless we promptly execute those uncovered as part of this effort, they'll either be back on the streets in days or weeks, or incarcerated and effectively living on the public dole until they are released or die.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:03:15 AM EST
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I'm a solid 'Sessions is a retard' but.........

Great job on this one, keep it up and opinions can be changed.

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If Granny was in charge, I'd bet her cures would fix what ailed most of the govt leeches.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:06:26 AM EST
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It's not about the "fraud"; that's just a handy label to slap over the top of Sessions' personal white-knight campaign against drug abuse.  If they were purely interested in prosecuting fraud there are much richer fields to reap out there in the healthcare and welfare industries.

If I thought for a second that the WOD would actually do something to alleviate drug abuse and crime in this country I'd support it with all my heart.  But it won't, for the exact same reasons gun control laws don't work to suppress violent crime: the criminals don't care what the the law says.  And there will always be ways to obtain those things they desire, because where demand exists, supply will follow.  Always.  100% of the time.  Drugs, guns, alcohol, ivory, credit card numbers, kiddie porn...  access to all supposedly regulated or denied by law, yet all are easily available to anyone with the cash and the desire.

So, again like the war on guns, aggressive regulation and prosecution will only harm those with a legitimate need for the drugs.  It's an undeniable and inescapable result that will happen every time we attempt to control human behavior with a pen and a gavel.  And unless we promptly execute those uncovered as part of this effort, they'll either be back on the streets in days or weeks, or incarcerated and effectively living on the public dole until they are released or die.
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Slight problem with your logic. 8+ year investigation. So unless Trump is lending out his time machine, it's not exactly a Sessions thing. Just landed in his lap. A billion + in fraud is still a nice penny though. 
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:08:10 AM EST
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Certainly there is legitimate fraud, especially where the big government candy store is concerned.   However, what people must understand is that when politicians tout huge numbers of medicare or medicaid fraud is that to the feds, being one digit off on an 8 digit code is also considered "fraud" and recoverable.  When they say "fraud" they mean everything to include simple coding errors.  When the layman  hears "fraud" they think of some sort of organized crime action where bills are sent out without even seeing people or goods billed for that were not actually given out.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:16:14 AM EST
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Looks like the opioid crisis has hit this thread too.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:16:17 AM EST
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Slight problem with your logic. 8+ year investigation. So unless Trump is lending out his time machine, it's not exactly a Sessions thing. Just landed in his lap. A billion + in fraud is still a nice penny though. 
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I'm more ranting about the WOD (and now the war on opiods) in general than Sessions in particular, though he's doing everything in his power to fan the effort back to a roaring flame.  And before we get too excited about a billion saved, don't forget to subtract the cost of that 8-year investigation and the expenses yet to be incurred in prosecution and incarceration.

I'm not denying that drug abuse is a serious problem in our culture.  It's a tremendous drain on prosperity, destroys families, fosters violent crime and has a myriad of other downsides.  But we have to come up with a more effective way to address it.  And no, I don't profess to have the answer myself.
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This is the truth.  Medicare "fraud" investigations are notoriously intrusive, and heavy-handed... and the contractors who do it get a percentage of the "recovery."

And yes, they care about inadvertent coding errors.  
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I remember that being discussed here before...how fat fingering a keyboard can result in large fines.
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This is the truth.  Medicare "fraud" investigations are notoriously intrusive, and heavy-handed... and the contractors who do it get a percentage of the "recovery."

And yes, they care about inadvertent coding errors.  
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Certainly there is legitimate fraud, especially where the big government candy store is concerned.   However, what people must understand is that when politicians tout huge numbers of medicare or medicaid fraud is that to the feds, being one digit off on an 8 digit code is also considered "fraud" and recoverable.  When they say "fraud" they mean everything to include simple coding errors.  When the layman  hears "fraud" they think of some sort of organized crime action where bills are sent out without even seeing people or goods billed for that were not actually given out.
This is the truth.  Medicare "fraud" investigations are notoriously intrusive, and heavy-handed... and the contractors who do it get a percentage of the "recovery."

And yes, they care about inadvertent coding errors.  
Sounds like the billing department needs to be on their game then.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:32:15 AM EST
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This is the truth.  Medicare "fraud" investigations are notoriously intrusive, and heavy-handed... and the contractors who do it get a percentage of the "recovery."

And yes, they care about inadvertent coding errors.  
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It shouldn't be "fraud" when there is a simple coding error- Everyone can probably agree on that. By the same token, they SHOULD care about accuracy and not overpay due to errors, and unfortunately, there is a line somewhere where "simple coding errors" do become actual fraud.

In programs as large as the Medicare/Medicaid programs are, there is a significant amount of actual fraud and much of it goes undiscovered. One way to discourage others from thinking about committing fraud is essentially to make Draconian examples of those who mess up. "Kill one, terrorize a thousand"....In a program that large, it's about their only hope of compliance.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:33:43 AM EST
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Oh, good. Now more doctors will refuse to issue pain med to patients who need them. Doctors are seeing it as too much of a gamble with the government going after them. Doctor issues meds to a patient who needs them, patient has a grandkid or whatever who is stealing them, grandkid gets caught, police visit doctor.
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You don't need opioids for anything but the most severe of injury.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:34:15 AM EST
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The entire medical industry engaged in fraud, racketeering, price fixing, and monopolistic pricing.

Wake me up when they start prosecuting all of that.  Anti-trust laws are violated by all of them.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:38:33 AM EST
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Dog and pony show.

They nabbed 412 suspects in what is possibly the most fraud ridden industry in America, and now they parade themselves around and want pats on the back.

That's some mighty fine police work.

Maybe next month they can wrangle up a few frauds using their welfare monies to buy drugs. Think it's doable?
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It's a start. 
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You don't need opioids for anything but the most severe of injury.
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I dont think its the injury as much as the length or time/amount given, I dont think someone needs to get shot to receive pain meds but a sliver doesnt rise to the level either. I've been prescribed oxycodone twice, once for a car accident and once after getting out of the hospital for diverticulitis. I think I was given 10 pills each time? Not a whole bottle over and over.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:42:35 AM EST
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Typical ARFCOM.

"Why aren't they doing something about this?!!!!!"

*They do something about it.*

"Blah!  Why didn't they do as much as I demanded and fully satisfy my expectations?!!!!"

Fuckers around here would complain that a blowjob was too good.  
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It's not about the "fraud"; that's just a handy label to slap over the top of Sessions' personal white-knight campaign against drug abuse.  If they were purely interested in prosecuting fraud there are much richer fields to reap out there in the healthcare and welfare industries.

If I thought for a second that the WOD would actually do something to alleviate drug abuse and crime in this country I'd support it with all my heart.  But it won't, for the exact same reasons gun control laws don't work to suppress violent crime: the criminals don't care what the the law says.  And there will always be ways to obtain those things they desire, because where demand exists, supply will follow.  Always.  100% of the time.  Drugs, guns, alcohol, ivory, credit card numbers, kiddie porn...  access to all supposedly regulated or denied by law, yet all are easily available to anyone with the cash and the desire.

So, again like the war on guns, aggressive regulation and prosecution will only harm those with a legitimate need for the drugs.  It's an undeniable and inescapable result that will happen every time we attempt to control human behavior with a pen and a gavel.  And unless we promptly execute those uncovered as part of this effort, they'll either be back on the streets in days or weeks, or incarcerated and effectively living on the public dole until they are released or die.
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Big +1
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:47:24 AM EST
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"But but but Sessions hates my marijuana." " Worst appointment by Trump."  "Too old school Bible thumping Republican."  "Fuck Sessions"

That's the GD opinion of him so this must not be a good thing.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:48:15 AM EST
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Typical ARFCOM.

"Why aren't they doing something about this?!!!!!"

*They do something about it.*

"Blah!  Why didn't they do as much as I demanded and fully satisfy my expectations?!!!!"

Fuckers around here would complain that a blowjob was too good.  
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Many people on this site are more stupid than liberals.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:49:47 AM EST
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Drop in the bucket, in NY alone the fraud for adult diapers is more than that.  Jeff seesions is a moron and couldnt find fraud without the people who actually do more than waist oxygen.

I worked for a company who sells software to .gov agencies that looks for fraud.  This company found a way to look at certain billing discrepancy issues and it flags it for a human to look at the possible scam closer.

In NY they found a bunch of companies run by russians were sending at least 1 extra case of diapers to people who had surgical procedures that required them. No big deal unless you looked closer; they would then send in another person to buy the extra case off of craigslist or whatever and repeat the process. They found 3 billion dollars in diapers were sold to insurance companies which some of that was not needed and was fraud.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 8:50:38 AM EST
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Dog and pony show.

They nabbed 412 suspects in what is possibly the most fraud ridden industry in America, and now they parade themselves around and want pats on the back.

That's some mighty fine police work.

Maybe next month they can wrangle up a few frauds using their welfare monies to buy drugs. Think it's doable?
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Fuck Sessions and the DOJ for doing there job eh?

Longing for your heros Holder and Lynch back?
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Drop in the bucket, in NY alone the fraud for adult diapers is more than that.  Jeff seesions is a moron and couldnt find fraud without the people who actually do more than waist oxygen.

I worked for a company who sells software to .gov agencies that looks for fraud.  This company found a way to look at certain billing discrepancy issues and it flags it for a human to look at the possible scam closer.

In NY they found a bunch of companies run by russians were sending at least 1 extra case of diapers to people who had surgical procedures that required them. No big deal unless you looked closer; they would then send in another person to buy the extra case off of craigslist or whatever and repeat the process. They found 3 billion dollars in diapers were sold to insurance companies which some of that was not needed and was fraud.
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1.3 billion.  Wow!  What percentage of the 13.6 trillion dollar debt is that?
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