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C8 CORVETTES DRIVING AT BOWLING GREEN ASSEMBLY PLANT 7.19.19 |
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I'm a 100% Ford guy, never owned any GM product.
1. Doesn't look like a vette to me. 2. I would drive the hell out of that thing. |
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Seen one in person. Like it.
Heard the first year is already sold out. |
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I like it, and will look seriously at the Z06 when they are released.
For the old guys that are apparently new to the internet in this thread, the current Z51 package is basically a suspension/brake upgrade, adds ~$10k to the base model and adds 5HP. The Z06 is ~$80k 650 HP, the only model currently over $100k (~$123k) is the ZR1 which is the 755HP track monster, i would not expect pricing on the new generation to deviate from this structure much. So yes i would expect a shit load of performance for well under $100k. I use my STI for Groceries, my C6 is used to embarrass the ignorant kids that think only old guys drive them. |
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I'm on the fence- I'll agree it's a sweet car for the 60k tag. A couple notes being missed here 1) $60k is going to be your base base model. He notes the 0-60 under 3 is the z model which if I had to guess will be 100+. Also HP numbers quoted are also dependent on exhaust 2) real world reviews will be interesting 3) my opinion is it's a little over done to the point of looking toy ish That said they will sell a shit ton. I would like to drive one and at the 60k point this will replace the mustang for hitting light poles View Quote Failed To Load Title |
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I'm on the fence- I'll agree it's a sweet car for the 60k tag. A couple notes being missed here 1) $60k is going to be your base base model. He notes the 0-60 under 3 is the z model which if I had to guess will be 100+. Also HP numbers quoted are also dependent on exhaust 2) real world reviews will be interesting 3) my opinion is it's a little over done to the point of looking toy ish That said they will sell a shit ton. I would like to drive one and at the 60k point this will replace the mustang for hitting light poles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhYqn8vmiPg |
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Quoted: It wont do sub 3 sec 0-60 with 490 hp. He said it would do sub 3 sec with the z51 performance package which is taking it to probably 750 hp but wont know for sure until they release the package/pricing for it. View Quote |
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This really does put the Corvette in the exotic class. It's a working man's exotic car.
I think this is the first exciting product to out of Detroit in a very long time. |
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No doubt Jeremy Clarkson will find a reason to hate it, droning on about how some $800,000 supercar is better and not taking into consideration the price point at all.
It's predictable. |
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Quoted: Thanks for your detail laden initial cargo post, but this Cialis fueled holier than thou follow-up is a little much ya think? But muh vette forum time! Re: your initial post, I find the flat hatch area of the C6-C7 unsafe for storage. Since I'm used to driving sports cars...sportily, instinctive use of the no-go pedal causes everything on the hatch deck to fly forward into the driver's area. Had a 5 gal Sunaco canister of MS109 hit the radio in a C6 Z06 once on the way to the track - probably much worse of a situation than one of your 5 empty paper bags. While I haven't driven a C8 yet (awaiting the twin turbo LT7 ZO6), the deep rear storage well looks very welcome to hold quite a lot of stuff in-place along with the enclosed frunk. I personally prefer an area behind the front seats for storage like a 911 as it safely secures items in place and is easily accessible. Admittedly excessive storage in sports cars isn't a primary concern of mine. In a similar note: just dropped off 13 frozen turkeys to a church pantry in the Supra. The rear seat/floor area would have normally been used, but two girls wanted to ride-along so they sat there. The hatch area is similar to the C7, but I never use it due to reasons above. Not your every day cargo situation, but frozen turkeys would easily transport in the C8's rear cargo well, but would be dangerous in the C7 with passenger (just singular). https://i.postimg.cc/bNqw1D3Y/supra-turkey.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Thanks for your detail laden initial cargo post, but this Cialis fueled holier than thou follow-up is a little much ya think? But muh vette forum time! Re: your initial post, I find the flat hatch area of the C6-C7 unsafe for storage. Since I'm used to driving sports cars...sportily, instinctive use of the no-go pedal causes everything on the hatch deck to fly forward into the driver's area. Had a 5 gal Sunaco canister of MS109 hit the radio in a C6 Z06 once on the way to the track - probably much worse of a situation than one of your 5 empty paper bags. While I haven't driven a C8 yet (awaiting the twin turbo LT7 ZO6), the deep rear storage well looks very welcome to hold quite a lot of stuff in-place along with the enclosed frunk. I personally prefer an area behind the front seats for storage like a 911 as it safely secures items in place and is easily accessible. Admittedly excessive storage in sports cars isn't a primary concern of mine. In a similar note: just dropped off 13 frozen turkeys to a church pantry in the Supra. The rear seat/floor area would have normally been used, but two girls wanted to ride-along so they sat there. The hatch area is similar to the C7, but I never use it due to reasons above. Not your every day cargo situation, but frozen turkeys would easily transport in the C8's rear cargo well, but would be dangerous in the C7 with passenger (just singular). https://i.postimg.cc/bNqw1D3Y/supra-turkey.jpg Click To View Spoiler My previous reply to his 3 scenarios...
So they've said one can stow 2 bags of golf clubs in the C8, but somehow you don't think a rifle case will work? I have a 3 rifle drag bag, with a heathy amount of storage for a couple pistols, eye/ear pro, some tools, etc. and I know for a fact it's still smaller than 2 of my golf bags combined. Not to mention you still have the front storage for smaller bags with ammo and gear. Same goes for groceries. If one can squeeze two golf bags in the C8's trunk, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say 10 or so grocery bags won't be a tall order. And again, you've still got the frunk. Even the body board bag might fit if oriented differently. I'd like to know the dimensions of that and the chairs. As, again, based on the 2 golf bag threshold, I could pretty well gauge whether that all would fit. Not saying this applies to you. But I find it curious that a lot of the criticism I've seen is coming from C7 owners. And my hunch is that quite a few are simply irritated that, as of about 11:00 pm last night, their Vette is no longer the pinnacle of performance, form, and function. Especially when trying to stomach that the bone stock base model C8 can pretty much compete with any previous model; and at a low price tag. Thus, we get complaints about buttons and theoretical baggage scenarios (which may not even be a valid critique), or how it's not a "real Vette" (whatever that means). Remember, he took great care in crafting those specific scenarios. He just forgot to include a caveat that any reply challenging their accuracy will be ignored. It's like arguing with a liberal. Only their "facts" and assertions matter. Regardless of whether they're patently false. Unfortunately, a couple other guys weren't as tactful in calling his scenarios into question. So he took the easy out, disregarded legitimate replies, and focused on his bruised feels. Then parlayed the butt hurt into a crystal ball scenario... Quoted:
Hating on the Boomers is all the rage with disillusioned people. But if we move away from Millennial bitterness, there is a counter-argument to be made here. And distilled from cooler heads on the Corvette Forum, is a prediction on how this C8 is going to go down. -> Initial interest in the new design and outwardly impressive sales numbers in the beginning. Ballyhoo in the various automotive rags and YouTube channels, but discontent inside GM as the overall 1st year misses optimistic projections. -> Subsequent 2nd and 3rd year numbers will be made to look OK in the auto trade press, but internal documents will reveal serious GM disappointment as over-all sales numbers never make the same numbers as the C6 & C7. -> Late 3rd or 4th year design refresh does nothing to bolster sliding sales. -> Corvette model is killed when GM merges with another car manufacturer. Subsequent reflection in trade press will have GM Execs pointing fingers at design & engineering, but history will write that the mid-engine Corvette, while a technical achievement, took the car too far from it's iconic style, and made it a niche car for the upper income driver. ETA: If you don't believe me, take a look at GM history, and see how GM has consistently fiddle-fucked with iconic car designs until they destroy the car. For just one example, I give you the car that that helped to kill Pontiac: The 4th Gen GTO. The cooler heads? Lol. Seems more like... |
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No doubt Jeremy Clarkson will find a reason to hate it, droning on about how some $800,000 supercar is better and not taking into consideration the price point at all. It's predictable. View Quote His only issue was the NVH, but then he said, for the price that's what you get. |
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I think that's absurd but looks are subjective. I will say that while it certainly freshened the vette look and I'd actually consider one now (never would've before) and I'm generally pleased with it, the side view is not flattering due to the size of the intakes/rear fender treatment. It's just blocky looking and the design is too heavy on the rear and that's the cars worst angle. I'll wait to see one in person though. edit to add: holy shit, Jay Leno is looking OLD!!! Not really helping the corvette image there guys. damn. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Honestly, the thing looks horrible in my opinion. I will say that while it certainly freshened the vette look and I'd actually consider one now (never would've before) and I'm generally pleased with it, the side view is not flattering due to the size of the intakes/rear fender treatment. It's just blocky looking and the design is too heavy on the rear and that's the cars worst angle. I'll wait to see one in person though. edit to add: holy shit, Jay Leno is looking OLD!!! Not really helping the corvette image there guys. damn. a) everyone who can afford one between ages of 20-25 b) everyone who can afford one 60-65 They choose b every time. |
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Quoted: In spite of being a good post, don't expect a response. I'm still hearing crickets on my post from a few pages back (reposting below on the off chance it might trigger a reply). Click To View Spoiler My previous reply to his 3 scenarios...
So they've said one can stow 2 bags of golf clubs in the C8, but somehow you don't think a rifle case will work? I have a 3 rifle drag bag, with a heathy amount of storage for a couple pistols, eye/ear pro, some tools, etc. and I know for a fact it's still smaller than 2 of my golf bags combined. Not to mention you still have the front storage for smaller bags with ammo and gear. Same goes for groceries. If one can squeeze two golf bags in the C8's trunk, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say 10 or so grocery bags won't be a tall order. And again, you've still got the frunk. Even the body board bag might fit if oriented differently. I'd like to know the dimensions of that and the chairs. As, again, based on the 2 golf bag threshold, I could pretty well gauge whether that all would fit. Not saying this applies to you. But I find it curious that a lot of the criticism I've seen is coming from C7 owners. And my hunch is that quite a few are simply irritated that, as of about 11:00 pm last night, their Vette is no longer the pinnacle of performance, form, and function. Especially when trying to stomach that the bone stock base model C8 can pretty much compete with any previous model; and at a low price tag. Thus, we get complaints about buttons and theoretical baggage scenarios (which may not even be a valid critique), or how it's not a "real Vette" (whatever that means). Remember, he took great care in crafting those specific scenarios. He just forgot to include a caveat that any reply challenging their accuracy will be ignored. It's like arguing with a liberal. Only their "facts" and assertions matter. Regardless of whether they're patently false. Unfortunately, a couple other guys weren't as tactful in calling his scenarios into question. So he took the easy out, disregarded legitimate replies, and focused on his bruised feels. Then parlayed the butt hurt into a crystal ball scenario... And there it is. Cargo scenarios didn't go as planned. So we get this unsubstantiated timeline of events. Kind of ironic. Considering how you asserted folks who don't own a Vette can't opine about Vettes. Yet somehow you deserve the latitude to make wild projections without any firsthand intel. The cooler heads? Lol. Seems more like... https://i.imgflip.com/365ojp.jpg View Quote The ignorance is thinly disguised in the spoiler above. The premise being that current model owners are an impediment, the implication being that only young woke people know the true value of the C8. Again with the narcissist youngster view. The truth of the auto business is that reputations are made on repeat business. Jeep owners buy the next Jeep. Mustang drivers are true to Ford, and Corvette Forum sponsors like Mike Furman will confirm that their livelihood is based on repeat Corvette business. So, despite your baiting comments, a lot of us really do embrace the next new thing. Despite your self-centered demand to be noticed, you don't really know anything. And most of the bravado written here comes out of a mouth that can't even afford a used Corvette! OTOH, I've consistently owned sports cars since I was 17. I was a registered poster on LS1.com while this forum was new, & crashed, and had to have everyone recreate their accounts. I first logged into the Corvette Forum before many of you teeners connected to the Internet. I had a friend that worked on the Vette assembly line when it was on Union Blvd in St. Louis, and another friend who worked on the Bowling Green assembly line. Yes in point of fact, in contrast to yourself, I damned well do know a thing or two. Yes, I can stand to be told I'm wrong. But there's ways to disagree with person without being an ass. Supra actually did write a piece a nice piece, but he he overstepped his privilege with me in the first sentence. So I walked away. Before you dogpile my ass further for not playing your game here, consider for a moment if the arfcom Staff would appreciate the fact the your writing style drives clicks to another web site. |
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As someone who had to warm up to the C5 (eventually grew to like them - daily drove my 02 Z06 for a number of years, loved it) and still doesn't really dig the C7s, this C8 is a mind blowing jump. Instantly I want one, which does not fit with my early retirement plans, dammit.
Their camo was damn effective btw, I didn't have a great feeling about the prototype cars, and that coupled with the rumored $100k new price range, just had me turned off a little. This is an absolute home run - these are going to sell like crazy for them. Oh, and this is absolutely deserving of the Corvette name. This is what the Corvette has been working toward for basically it's entire run. I can't believe they pulled it off, and it will absolutely breathe new life into the car for a decade at least. I shudder to use the term "gamechanger", but if this isn't an appropriate instance then I don't know what is. Kudos - job well done Corvette team. |
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~$60,000 MSRP. I wonder what the dealer markup is going to be. $40,000?
If not Corvette, what other names starting with C should it be? |
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~$60,000 MSRP. I wonder what the dealer markup is going to be. $40,000? If not Corvette, what other names starting with C should it be? View Quote They're going to want this one. |
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Like being on a forum means anything. That's one of the weirdest flexes I've ever seen. It's like some kid bragging about being "on the chans". Of the top 15 lap times on the Nurburgring, 4 of the cars have manual transmissions. BuT aUtOmAtIcS aRe FoR pEoPlE wHo CaN't DrIvE View Quote |
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Quoted: Hey everybody look, this guy is on the Corvette forums... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/467703/364msv_jpg-1023585.JPG Look, I've been to Missouri, the tornado in Joplin did your state a favor. As far as joining this site? Sorry, not sorry I've been living life and gaining real experiences not on an internet message board. |
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They should have stayed in their lane.
Remember kids, no matter how much horse power they put in it, no matter how fast it does this or that in, in the end it is still just a vette. |
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If they are essentially sold out, you can bet their won't be any $60k Corvettes siting on the lot. They'll put all sorts of high-margined dealer options on them, and sell them at a premium for awhile. I think Chevrolet hit a home run on this one. I think it will make Corvette cool again with a younger generation. They're going to want this one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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~$60,000 MSRP. I wonder what the dealer markup is going to be. $40,000? If not Corvette, what other names starting with C should it be? They're going to want this one. My local dealer will sadly not be one to sell at MSRP |
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Quoted: I've already talked to my local Chevy dealer and can order one at MSRP when the order-bank opens next year. Won't see it until the models to fill the lots are made and delivered. Bought a Z06, ZR2, Equinox recently and many others in the past from them. I'm thinking silver with tan interior and Z51 - my Z06 was silver and it looked great. In a year, they will be below sticker. Of course there will be those who will just have to have one of the early ones sitting on the lot at a considerable mark-up. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/91/c8_blade_silver-1024908.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: On the Corvette Forum there is a thread about the dealers who will sell at MSRP, and stated they will NOT sell above. Many dealers have responded in that thread. My local dealer will sadly not be one to sell at MSRP View Quote I don't take offense to people making money. |
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Apparently is weighs 3366 lbs. Not a lightweight car but not bad compared to the average supercar. View Quote Just in raw power/wt the corvette will be fast to say nothing of traction and handling. If that four wheel electric launch planned stuff is real it will scream in the future |
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The Corvette just might have signaled the beginning of the end of retro-designed cars. I wonder how Ford will respond. I never got it. Are these name sakes and the designers behind them not capable to standing on their own? Why cant they be new designs? Should innovation be stifled cause we pine for what always been done/what we're used to/comfortable with? Go buy the fucking old one. I guess that's why I've liked german cars, the designers dont have that hang up. The gen 6 stang is the first mustang I'd ever buy and all the mustang guys clown on it and talk about their crappy looking and crappy performing older ones are so much better. Camaro guys are like that too. They'll spend the entire night telling you why the pre gen 6 Camaros are much better. Car dudes are strange |
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Quoted: Good god I hope it is the end to retro styled cars. I never got it. Are these name sakes and the designers behind them not capable to standing on their own? Why cant they be new designs? Should innovation be stifled cause we pine for what always been done/what we're used to/comfortable with? Go buy the fucking old one. I guess that's why I've liked german cars, the designers dont have that hang up. The gen 6 stang is the first mustang I'd ever buy and all the mustang guys clown on it and talk about their crappy looking and crappy performing older ones are so much better. Camaro guys are like that too. They'll spend the entire night telling you why the pre gen 6 Camaros are much better. Car dudes are strange View Quote So for those GenX folks that came of driving age in the 80's and early 90's, OLD was cool. Old cars was where performance could be found. Now, that isn't true. Lot's of cars will destroy cars from the late 60's and early 70's. The old "muscle" cars can't really compare to the modern offerings. Not only will the retro-designed cars go away, but the inflated "collector market" will lose steam, they'll go the way of all other old car. In 1985 a 1970 Barracuda or a 1969 Camaro was the bomb.....today not so much. Today's cars are better in every way. |
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