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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:08:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Barr announced today that they hacked the phone. It took like a year. That's a year that DOJ could have been acting on the intel -- time wasted because Apple #freedomisscary |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:10:52 PM EDT
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If you mean you think Apple ought to break the security of all their devices for all time so the US government can investigate a dead guy, you probably should have your head examined. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:25:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I think it's time to pick a side. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By L_JE: So, Apple should have to devote their time and resources to breaking into the phone? I think it's time to pick a side. You can’t be serious. Who let the little terrorist fucker into the country? Who continues to cozy up the the terrorist state of KSA? And you want to blame Apple? Time to pick a side indeed. I’ll choose freedom and privacy and the US government can go fuck itself. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:27:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeEIB: Man there are some dumb motherfuckers on this site. Looking at you people bashing Apple for this. 100%. Fuck Barr. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:28:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: terrorists don't play by the rules. So we should give more power to the fucking morons that let the terrorist shitbag in? Are you retarded? |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:30:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: so - y'all fine to give up your rights because 'flu, but foreigner shoots 11 people on US soil and you're worried about the terrorist. got it. I think. maybe not. eta: directed @ no one in particular. Yep, you’re retarded. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: And this is why I would never ever use Icloud. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: Originally Posted By mrcatbert: They handed over massive amounts of information from the shooter's iCloud storage as well as transactional data from the phone apps. If you have any data online you can expect the company hosting it to hand it over when they get a warrant. But making the Feds serve that warrant is the important bit, rather than just handing them the keys up front and saying, “Rummage through whatever you like.” |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:35:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's time to pick a side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, Apple should have to devote their time and resources to breaking into the phone? I think it's time to pick a side. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:36:28 PM EDT
[#9]
How does the boot taste?
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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:44:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was a known terrorist at the time Apple was asked for help. He's not a US Citizen. This wasn't a blanket ask. .Gov gives exceptions and exemptions all the time. Why not a one time deal for this? meh.  |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 6:55:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have any data online you can expect the company hosting it to hand it over when they get a warrant. But making the Feds serve that warrant is the important bit, rather than just handing them the keys up front and saying, "Rummage through whatever you like." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They handed over massive amounts of information from the shooter's iCloud storage as well as transactional data from the phone apps. If you have any data online you can expect the company hosting it to hand it over when they get a warrant. But making the Feds serve that warrant is the important bit, rather than just handing them the keys up front and saying, "Rummage through whatever you like." I have no data/backups etc stored online other than pics. if I had any data I would store it in a password protected truecrypt hidden container within a password protected container. This container would created and placed on a laptop with the wificard and network port connector unsoldered and removed. Any data you really want safe is never hooked directly to a computer with internet access. However since I have nothing to hide, all my cat pics are on a thumbdrive in a folder named theNSAcanlickmyballs.  |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 7:02:27 PM EDT
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Yeah, we should definitely trust the dumb ass holes at the FBI with a back door into our phones.
 I’d trust Hillary Clinton over those stupid fucks. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 7:03:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, you're retarded. Meh. I've been called worse. Even in GD. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 7:04:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOh - so now we get advice from fictional TV characters? rich. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 7:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Oh - so now we get advice from fictional TV characters? rich. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7: https://www.magicalquote.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/We-have-to-choose-to-be-the-good-guys-even-when-its-hard.jpg Oh - so now we get advice from fictional TV characters? rich. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 8:16:07 PM EDT
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They learned that the terrorist group that claimed responsibility after the attack was in fact, responsible for the attack. yes, that calls for everyone in the world to to want to their govt to have access to all of their personal communications and documents
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Posted: 5/18/2020 9:01:42 PM EDT
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I haven't read the whole thread but I'll say this.
don't believe everything in the news first of all. second, vague claims are vague. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 9:11:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeEIB: Man there are some dumb motherfuckers on this site. Looking at you people bashing Apple for this. Agreed. There are people here who would welcome their Orwellian overlords with no Vaseline just to stop a handful of deaths. Freedom hurts sometimes but it's worth it. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 9:13:00 PM EDT
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I have made a killing off of their stock over the years.
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Posted: 5/18/2020 9:16:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wcsv: If Apple creates a backdoor it will be used against US citizens too. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 9:18:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: normally I'm all about protecting the civil rights of US Citizens, but this POS wasn't American - so fuck him. If the FBI was worth a shit they wouldn't need his phone. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 9:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ToledoXJ: If the FBI was worth a shit they wouldn't need his phone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ToledoXJ: Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: normally I'm all about protecting the civil rights of US Citizens, but this POS wasn't American - so fuck him. If the FBI was worth a shit they wouldn't need his phone. Finding terrorists is hard, yo. It’s ever so much easier just manufacturing your own then “catching” them afterwards. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 9:25:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was a known terrorist at the time Apple was asked for help. He's not a US Citizen. This wasn't a blanket ask. .Gov gives exceptions and exemptions all the time. Why not a one time deal for this? meh. iPhone AQi? |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 10:10:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Apple should make special phones just for terrorists? iPhone AQi? lol. thought they already did. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 10:30:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: He was a known terrorist at the time Apple was asked for help. He's not a US Citizen. This wasn't a blanket ask. .Gov gives exceptions and exemptions all the time. Why not a one time deal for this? meh. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By SperlingPE: Was this individual a 'known' terrorist? Is that was the case, what was he doing here training with our air force? This is a tough question. When is privacy trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a non-US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of citizens of a country that is an allly? not an ally? He was a known terrorist at the time Apple was asked for help. He's not a US Citizen. This wasn't a blanket ask. .Gov gives exceptions and exemptions all the time. Why not a one time deal for this? meh. There is no “one time deal” |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 10:32:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: disagree. they gov didn't need to have a back door. only apple needed to, and could have turned over the info without an ask. no US citizens impacted. terrorist in jail. get both. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By macman37: This is the First Amendment equivalent to the "I'm pro Second Amendment, but..." You either believe in freedom or you don't. disagree. they gov didn't need to have a back door. only apple needed to, and could have turned over the info without an ask. no US citizens impacted. terrorist in jail. get both. You don’t understand how math works. It does not work that way. |
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Posted: 5/18/2020 10:35:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By a555: I think phones should have burner passwords where you can unlock the phone for some people with limited info, like having separate user accounts, or passwords that unlock the phone with limited info and send out a distress signal. And then no information in any of those phones is secure at all ever. You do know people use their phones to pay for things right? Banking information? |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 8:41:19 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And then no information in any of those phones is secure at all ever. You do know people use their phones to pay for things right? Banking information? I definitely wouldn't want some government agency having access to that kinda data. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 8:45:53 AM EDT
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Just so I understand what the OP is saying, the government should have the power to tell a private company what to manufacture and how to manufacture it.
Sounds like a few books I've read. Something about government seizing the means of production. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 8:54:25 AM EDT
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The NSA collects everything, every email, text message and phone call. We are told this helps us catch terrorists. The FBI could have asked the NSA for this information yet they didn’t. Because this was not a US person, they didn’t even need a FISA warrant to do it. Why did they have to ask apple for help?
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Posted: 5/19/2020 9:03:43 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: He was a known terrorist at the time Apple was asked for help. He's not a US Citizen. This wasn't a blanket ask. .Gov gives exceptions and exemptions all the time. Why not a one time deal for this? meh. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By SperlingPE: Was this individual a 'known' terrorist? Is that was the case, what was he doing here training with our air force? This is a tough question. When is privacy trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a non-US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of citizens of a country that is an allly? not an ally? He was a known terrorist at the time Apple was asked for help. He's not a US Citizen. This wasn't a blanket ask. .Gov gives exceptions and exemptions all the time. Why not a one time deal for this? meh. Because it wasn't going to be a one time deal. The .gov was asking apple to build tools that give the government a backdoor to iOS devices for that case, and all future cases. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 9:23:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDalton: Yeah, all they need is my cold dead fingertip. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDalton: Originally Posted By Gspointer: Gov can get into my phone anytime they want as long as they don’t shoot me in the face first! Yeah, all they need is my cold dead fingertip. Dead skin won't activate the fingerprint unlock. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 9:32:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: He was a known terrorist at the time Apple was asked for help. He's not a US Citizen. This wasn't a blanket ask. .Gov gives exceptions and exemptions all the time. Why not a one time deal for this? meh. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By SperlingPE: Was this individual a 'known' terrorist? Is that was the case, what was he doing here training with our air force? This is a tough question. When is privacy trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a non-US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of American citizens in the near or distant future? Or when is the privacy of a US citizen trumped by protecting the lives of citizens of a country that is an allly? not an ally? He was a known terrorist at the time Apple was asked for help. He's not a US Citizen. This wasn't a blanket ask. .Gov gives exceptions and exemptions all the time. Why not a one time deal for this? meh. It's clear that you don't understand how encryption works. Apple had no way to offer help, other than giving the government copies of his iCloud data and in-app purchase history, which they did. If Apple were able to instantly circumvent their encryption, it wouldn't be encryption. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 9:36:02 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Barr announced today that they hacked the phone. It took like a year. That's a year that DOJ could have been acting on the intel -- time wasted because Apple |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 9:43:43 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: terrorists don't play by the rules. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 10:20:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Wait till you see what's coming on healthcare side of things. I definitely wouldn't want some government agency having access to that kinda data. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By Josh: And then no information in any of those phones is secure at all ever. You do know people use their phones to pay for things right? Banking information? I definitely wouldn't want some government agency having access to that kinda data. I believe it. I work in hospital IT right now, and device integration is only getting tighter and more widespread. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 10:40:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Wait till you see what's coming on healthcare side of things. I definitely wouldn't want some government agency having access to that kinda data. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By Josh: And then no information in any of those phones is secure at all ever. You do know people use their phones to pay for things right? Banking information? I definitely wouldn't want some government agency having access to that kinda data. egads... |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 11:54:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just so I understand what the OP is saying, the government should have the power to tell a private company what to manufacture and how to manufacture it. Sounds like a few books I've read. Something about government seizing the means of production. Fail. You & everyone else that didn't actually process what I wrote. Never once did I say that the .gov should tell Apple anything. What I did say is that it would have been nice if Apple had provided the data of their own volition . |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 11:54:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The NSA collects everything, every email, text message and phone call. We are told this helps us catch terrorists. The FBI could have asked the NSA for this information yet they didn't. Because this was not a US person, they didn't even need a FISA warrant to do it. Why did they have to ask apple for help? 
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Posted: 5/19/2020 11:56:17 AM EDT
[#40]
Freedom even when it’s the harder more painful path. Every time, all the time.
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Posted: 5/19/2020 11:56:29 AM EDT
[#41]
I see ops tripled down on his
since I last ‘d
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Posted: 5/19/2020 11:56:37 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's clear that you don't understand how encryption works. Apple had no way to offer help, other than giving the government copies of his iCloud data and in-app purchase history, which they did. If Apple were able to instantly circumvent their encryption, it wouldn't be encryption. Not arguing that. Full disclosure, if it wasn't already clear, I don't know shit about encryption. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 11:57:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you suggesting we shouldn't either, if the rules are "the constitution and bill of rights"? |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 12:00:34 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManBearPack: This can't be true GD told me Apple is superior to Android products. It is. Next question? 
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Posted: 5/19/2020 12:01:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe it. I work in hospital IT right now, and device integration is only getting tighter and more widespread. Rented a "smart house" last year....the TV talked to the fridge, the fridge talked to the lights, and the lights talked to the security system. My wife told a joke, I laughed, the wife laughed, the fridge laughed, I drew my CCW and shot the fridge. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 12:03:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see ops tripled down on his since I last 'dsomeone's got to keep GD occupied. 
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Posted: 5/19/2020 12:04:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Not a fan of apple
I am A big fan of not giving the FBI a back door to peoples privacy Good job Apple |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 12:09:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: All I can find is where apple gave gigabytes of info about the Pensacola scum, but won’t provide the FBI with a “back door” into their products. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: All I can find is where apple gave gigabytes of info about the Pensacola scum, but won’t provide the FBI with a “back door” into their products. Do you even want safety bro? We all need to give up a little security so the FBI can provide it. It's the safety and security we deserve. ETA: Originally Posted By ManBearPack: This can't be true GD told me Apple is superior to Android products. It is. That's why the FBI has their panties in a bunch. |
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Posted: 5/19/2020 12:13:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I see ops tripled down on his since I last 'dnow with poll! 
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Posted: 5/19/2020 12:22:52 PM EDT
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So -- since OP doesn't know anything about encryption (established) -- can someone who does please explain if this is correct, and if not, why not :
1) .gov assumed Apple had a backdoor, Apple claimed otherwise 2) lacking Apple's assistance, .gov spent a year and eventually hacked the phone. 3) did .gov crack Apple's encryption -or- did they just crack the one phone in question? 4) if we assume the former, now .gov has built themselves a tool that works on potentially any iPhone -- a tool they most likely would not have had otherwise -- |
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