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I am sorry but Corinthians does support the speaking in tongues.read 14-19

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You're concluding it's made up jibber jabber...without citing to scripture which supports your conclusion.

1 Corinthians 14 talks about tongues in length. While Paul instructs that you aren't to do it in a service sans interpretations, he doesn't call it fake jibber jabber if no one is there to interpret. Instead, he actually treats it with a certain amount of deference and says "keep it between you and God". Paul had no problem calling a spade a spade. The fact that he doesn't condemn it, but merely instructs on when to do it publicly, is an important distinction.

Copeland's utterances may well be jibber jabber. I don't have a high opinion of the man, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was.  But if Paul was careful to show some deference to it, and speaks of it as a mysterious thing, I will as well.

But feel free to cite to any scripture that gives you the measuring stick by which to measure whether it's legit versus jibber jabber.  Again, Paul doesn't condemn it as fake, he just says (paraphrasing) leave it at home because it isn't helpful.  Those are not the same thing.  Pretending they are is, ironically, adding to scripture...which is just as verboten.

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1 Cor 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Paul said he could speak with the tongues of men and angels.  They were not distinguishable as some sort of weird language.

When angels appeared unto men and spoke to them, humans understood the angels.  Men did not have to have interpreters to understand the words the angels spoke.

In fact, men entertain angels unaware, so the language of the angel must be understandable:
Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

In the Bible, tongues are spoken languages.

Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Isa 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

John5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.

Acts 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Acts 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)

Rev 16:16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

An unknown tongue is a spoken language the person does not know how to speak or the hearer does not know how to understand.

In the Bible, speaking in tongues is not the gibberish that is called tongues in charismatic churches.

Speaking in tongues - Biblically - is a gift, specifically a sign gift.

Jews require a sign.  Signs were proof to Jews that new revelation had come from God.

The nation of Israel BEGAN with signs.  When God appeared to Moses in the burning bush Moses asked God how the people would believe Moses was sent by God.  Moses rod would turn into a serpent.  When he picked it up again, it turned back into a rod.  Moses would put his healthy hand under his garment, when he pulled it out it was leprous.  When he repeated the process it came back out healthy.

The prophets performed miracles.  Again, it confirmed to Jews that what the prophets preached was revelation from God.

Once the message was confirmed by signs and miracles, the signs and wonders ceased until the next new revelation.

1 Cor 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

In every occasion where the gift of tongues is seen in the Bible, unbelieving Jews were present and the use of the gift revealed to the Jews the truth of what they had witnessed.

Acts 2:  unsaved Jews in Jerusalem from around the world miraculously heard the gospel preached in the language of the country they were from.  The use of the sign gift - speaking in tongues - is a sign that what they heard - that Christ died for sinners, was buried and rose again - is true.

Acts 10: saved Jews who did not believe that salvation was also offered to gentiles heard Cornelius and other gentiles speak in tongues after they heard the gospel and trusted Jesus as Saviour.  Speaking in tongues was a sign to the Jews that salvation was not just for Jews, but for gentiles, too.

Acts 19:  Apollos and other Jews hear the gospel and believe and speak in tongues.  Previously these Jews only knew the baptism of John.  Speaking in tongues signified that the gospel Paul preached to them was true.

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And how (exactly) would you know if any given instance of the gift of tongues was "made up jibber-jabber"?

Yes, there are a great many people who counterfeit the gifts of the Spirit--whether intentionally, or by being suggestible--but that doesn't mean that there aren't genuine spiritual phenomena that occur in the presence of the Holy Spirit.  (You DO believe the Holy Spirit can and does make Himself known from time to time to beleivers, do you not?).  I'll take it a step further and say that maybe the only thing worse than the fakers are the pompous spiritual dry holes who are a bit too confident in their own supposed sanctity, who assume that any and all manifestations of the Holy Spirit must surely be false--because, well, it's never happened to THEM.  Not in THEIR church.

Yeah--well maybe there is a reason it has never happened to you--and maybe the reason is your condescending assumption of your own moral superiority.  Maybe.

I've spoken in tongues exactly once.  I was by myself, and I can assure you that I wasn't showing off for anybody, and the whole episode was sudden and quite unexpected and it left me with a profound sense of wonder.

What I was saying was not "jibber-jabber", it was a single phrase repeated three times, and after a bit of research it seemed to be Swahili.

I won't waste recounting the entire story on you naysayers, but I'd warn you that MAYBE you are a little too comfortable in your self-righteous condescension.  You may not know God as well as you think you do.  Just sayin.

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I heard a story once of an older lady who showed up to a Baptist church and wanted to speak a prophecy in tounges to bless the church. The pastor allowed it since he had the gift of interpretation.

Lady: dhsiskjfockekdhxbjkodjdhhhdydueitjznbd

Pastor: praise God, she says there’s going to be a great outpouring of the spirit and many are going to get saved.

Lady: yes pastor!  Duapdkfjthejskspdjfbfhhwjqhhdhdbdhdhjebshhjkdoskdjfbfbd

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I’ve had the opportunity to observe Pentecostal and voodoo practitioners engage in the same phenomena.

The true believers listen to intense and emotional preaching, with rollicking rhythms in the preacher/voudon ‘s voice. Music and singing gets more intense. The preacher’s voice gets more rhythmic and demanding and suggesting.

First one, then another, the true believers begin babbling and writhing, and the fever spreads until a mass of humanity descends into a babbling chaos.

Pentecostals call it speaking in tongues.

Voodoo practitioners call it riding the loa.

They are both part of the same human psychological dynamics of suggestion and group influence

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It's bullshit.

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How did you get through Med school without reading?

ETA:  Maybe you should go back a page and read Johhnyb01's firsthand account of his experience as well.  Neither of our experiences conformed to your straw man.

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I agree that there is a great deal of placebo effect at work in Charismatic circles, and I am distrustful of services where rhythmic sounds and music are used for exactly the reasons which you described.  I also distrust those who chase after "signs and wonders", though I do sometimes envy them their innate optimism, or perhaps their being unburdened by the weight of needing credulity.

That being said, I know that some of what is happening in some circumstances is actually genuine.  You won't see it on TV, though.  It is mostly confined to private revelation, and its purpose is to strengthen believers.

What is true about your post is that those who deal in counterfeit gifts of the spirit all tend to use the techniques which you describe--and good on you for perceiving that they were fake--but how do you extrapolate out form that that ALL charismatic experience is false?  Seems a tad smug.

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Misinterpretation of scripture designed to impress the rubes. The gift of tongues to the disciples was that of understanding and speaking the languages of the earth so they could spread the gospelnot gibberish.

And no, it's not the "language of the angels."  It's random babbling done by snake oil salesmen

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@NavyDoc1

No, it is not. I am not a Christian (nor am I am atheist). I would like to think I am agnostic.
My wife is a christian, who sometimes speak in tongues. I've recorded her and sent it off to be translated.

So far: Some eastern European tongue, Portuguese, an African tongue and some other shit they think was Aramaic.

When you have 2 days off and willing to fly to NY, I will fly you here on my dime, and put you in a Hilton Garden Inn or Hampton Inn so you can experience (and record) first hand.

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Misinterpretation of scripture designed to impress the rubes. The gift of tongues to the disciples was that of understanding and speaking the languages of the earth so they could spread the gospel—not gibberish.

And no, it’s not the “language of the angels.”  It’s random babbling done by snake oil salesmen

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"All we see is nonsensical babbling"?

It's amazing that you know of every single instance in which someone has either spoken (or pretended to speak) in tongues.

SNIP/NM:  I began typing out incidences in which someone who was speaking in tongues (or "babbling nonsensically") was approached by a stranger who inquired where in Poland they were from/how they learned a curious local dialect, etc. from another person who overheard them speaking in tongues and assumed they were fluent in the language in which they were speaking--but I understand that it wont particularly convince you, and besides the accounts are second-hand.

Skepticism is a healthy attribute, no doubt about it, but don't try to pretend that you actually know more than you do.

You're inclined toward total disbelief--OK.  Enjoy.

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You're concluding it's made up jibber jabber...without citing to scripture which supports your conclusion.

1 Corinthians 14 talks about tongues in length. While Paul instructs that you aren't to do it in a service sans interpretations, he doesn't call it fake jibber jabber if no one is there to interpret. Instead, he actually treats it with a certain amount of deference and says "keep it between you and God". Paul had no problem calling a spade a spade. The fact that he doesn't condemn it, but merely instructs on when to do it publicly, is an important distinction.

Copeland's utterances may well be jibber jabber. I don't have a high opinion of the man, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was.  But if Paul was careful to show some deference to it, and speaks of it as a mysterious thing, I will as well.

But feel free to cite to any scripture that gives you the measuring stick by which to measure whether it's legit versus jibber jabber.  Again, Paul doesn't condemn it as fake, he just says (paraphrasing) leave it at home because it isn't helpful.  Those are not the same thing.  Pretending they are is, ironically, adding to scripture...which is just as verboten.

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For a real hoot turn on YouTube CC.

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Was in an Ash Wednesday service in an Episcopal Church. During a quiet time in the service one of the members I knew spoke in tongues. It was quiet for a while and a woman who looked middle eastern stood up and said that the words spoken were in Persian and were speaking about the greatness of God. I have seen and experienced it several times. It is a sign. Believe it or not. Are some phony? I am sure there are. YMMV. The gifts are real.

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Interesting.  Without quite understanding it, you are using atheist logician tactics--i.e. if God exists, why doesn't he "prove" His existence.  If the Holy Spirit actually can and does manifest Himself in the lives of Christians, where is the proof?  I demand proof!

Presumably you can understand the fallacy in play when atheists use the argument--and of course the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Holy Trinity, and all the same rules apply.  Right?

Here is what I would say to you:  If you want to know the truth about the phenomenon of praying in tongues, fast, read scripture, and pray to the Holy Spirit with a clean and earnest heart, pray to the Holy Spirit to come and to show you the truth, and also to protect you from untruth.

If you don't actually believe that this could even happen in the first place, you've just identified the problem--and it's you.

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Believers generally capitalize the G in God.

Maybe you want to re-read my post.  I actually advised you to bypass the testimony of men and referred you to petition directly to the Holy Spirit.

Lastly--you keep saying that second-hand testimony is worthless and yet you have several people with first-hand knowledge of the topic at hand and yet you haven't asked them a single honest question about their experiences.  Instead you pontificate on what was really happening in these experiences based (pretty much) on your own preconceived notions.  I'd say it doesn't get any more intellectually dishonest than that.

I'll repeat my earlier advice.  If you want to know the truth, fast, read scripture, and petition the Holy Spirit with a clean and earnest heart to come and show you what is true, and to protect you from what is untrue.

Have a nice night.

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I seen it first hand by a holy roller chick i dated one time.
, freaky shit

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@NavyDoc1

No, it is not. I am not a Christian (nor am I am atheist). I would like to think I am agnostic.
My wife is a christian, who sometimes speak in tongues. I've recorded her and sent it off to be translated.

So far: Some eastern European tongue, Portuguese, an African tongue and some other shit they think was Aramaic.

When you have 2 days off and willing to fly to NY, I will fly you here on my dime, and put you in a Hilton Garden Inn or Hampton Inn so you can experience (and record) first hand.