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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:43:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Legal eagles-what does the government do now to enforce the NDA? WACO style response |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:44:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The current socioeconomic war we find ourselves embroiled in has less to do with numbers of deaths and more to do with, wait for it, socioeconomic policies and posturing of a hostile foreign nation, China. Thankfully it seems the Trump administration understands this and isn’t taking advice from GD “experts”. China is trying to hang us about the neck until dead and you guys are trying to sell them the rope. Experts, indeed lol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The "proper" way, within existing emergency authorities, to handle this is to make the federal government the lead buyer and control distribution, and for orders to come to them. DOD is best equipped for this. There should be National Guard medical supply liaisons in every region/tracking and reporting supply numbers. The government contracts with 3M, the government sets the price. 3M delivers. 3M can and will still contract with other buyers. This is how we do military procurement (minus the authority to set the price and force the contract). There are more than enough of these products to go around. We just need to get our hands around the problem, properly prioritize distribution based on current stock age levels, and stop pitting hospitals and states against each other. Da Comrade, establish Ceentral Planning Committee, determine quota. We aren't at war, and are narrowing in on 10,000 deaths so far, so why are we already resorting to martial law? The military already has their PPE, because they were willing to pay for priority. What you propose is the nationalization of the entire US healthcare infrastructure so hospitals can buy paper masks at low prices, to stockpile.  God our country is so fucking done. This is "shutting off irrigation to make corn drought-tolerant" level retardation, there's simply no going back. The current socioeconomic war we find ourselves embroiled in has less to do with numbers of deaths and more to do with, wait for it, socioeconomic policies and posturing of a hostile foreign nation, China. Thankfully it seems the Trump administration understands this and isn’t taking advice from GD “experts”. China is trying to hang us about the neck until dead and you guys are trying to sell them the rope. Experts, indeed lol. There is a war, but the one you see in public and the one behind the scenes is very different. Chime since Mar 31 has gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure that counterfeits are not getting out. They shut down a lot of the rapid tests that weren’t working and mask makers that were embarrassing them. Part of that exchange was the US allowing importation of certain masks from China to alleviate shortages and China assuring us of US priority of supply chain inputs to manufacture various PCR and Rapid Test kits domestically. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:44:28 PM EST
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Quoted: I think we need to look at pandemics like a plane that’s depressurized if we (the pilots) don’t put on our masks first, no amount of masks will save the pax in back. However, banning all exports and basically seizing production I am very much against. I have been dealing with Companies like 3m and Moldex, it would cost Approx 50 million per factory to set up multiple lines for N95-n100 masks because we priced it out, the government inadvertently just terminated our investment. ETA. Also do any of you fucktards realize where the raw inputs used come from? Answer: From all over the fucking place Quoted: I guess it’s a good thing we don’t have to set up completely new factories then huh? Don’t be so butthurt and emotional just because you can’t profit from the current crisis. You are suggesting that the government sieze production, set the price, and be the only customer, all by force. And then you say it's not Communism. Unless I’m misunderstanding, no, he’s not. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:45:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we need to look at pandemics like a plane that’s depressurized if we (the pilots) don’t put on our masks first, no amount of masks will save the pax in back. However, banning all exports and basically seizing production I am very much against. I have been dealing with Companies like 3m and Moldex, it would cost Approx 50 million per factory to set up multiple lines for N95-n100 masks because we priced it out, the government inadvertently just terminated our investment. ETA. Also do any of you fucktards realize where the raw inputs used come from? Answer: From all over the fucking place the pilots dont owe you a safe landing. or oxygen. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:45:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are suggesting that the government sieze production, set the price, and be the only customer, all by force. And then you say it's not Communism. the government should mandate learning how to read if thats what you got from it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:45:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arfcom pre COVID19 - "big business should stay out of politics"! Arfcom during COVID19 - "big business has to think about the political fallout"! What a shit show. Gosh forbid .gov and 3M try and work together and come to a compromise that works for all. Big business has ALWAYS had to think about politics. In this case 3M just decided to stick it's dick in a shredder with the PR damage this is going to cost them. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:46:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are suggesting that the government sieze production, set the price, and be the only customer, all by force. And then you say it's not Communism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The "proper" way, within existing emergency authorities, to handle this is to make the federal government the lead buyer and control distribution, and for orders to come to them. DOD is best equipped for this. There should be National Guard medical supply liaisons in every region/tracking and reporting supply numbers. The government contracts with 3M, the government sets the price. 3M delivers. 3M can and will still contract with other buyers. This is how we do military procurement (minus the authority to set the price and force the contract). There are more than enough of these products to go around. We just need to get our hands around the problem, properly prioritize distribution based on current stock age levels, and stop pitting hospitals and states against each other. Da Comrade, establish Ceentral Planning Committee, determine quota. We aren't at war, and are narrowing in on 10,000 deaths so far, so why are we already resorting to martial law? The military already has their PPE, because they were willing to pay for priority. What you propose is the nationalization of the entire US healthcare infrastructure so hospitals can buy paper masks at low prices, to stockpile. God our country is so fucking done. This is "shutting off irrigation to make corn drought-tolerant" level retardation, there's simply no going back. I outlined the way this should work if we insist the federal government get involved. If we are going to turn medical supply distribution into an effort requiring federal management, it needs federal management. What I propose is what the law allows for. The government contracting with private business for goods and services put to national needs is not Communism. It's literally the way the U.S. government has functioned since the Continental Congress. Arbitrarily telling a company it can't export any more isn't management, it's adding to the existing chaos, as is trying to dictate all production. You are suggesting that the government sieze production, set the price, and be the only customer, all by force. And then you say it's not Communism. You got one out of three correct, and the price setting is simply what the law says. You might want to work on reading comprehension. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:47:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I owned that company (and I do have ownership stake in a corporation) everything we did at all times BUT ESPECIALLY DURING A NATIONAL EMERGENCY would pass through the filter of the "AMERICA FIRST" principle. Does this decision/action cause harm or is in some way detrimental to the United States? If the answer is yes it's a bad decision or it's an unacceptable course of action. It's not the only consideration, it's one of thousands of factors one must weigh when making business decisions, but it's a critically important one. Having said that 3M (or its distributors) move to drop existing US orders for foreign high bidders was also a terrible decision from a variety of other considerations: - Ethics - Public Relations - Government Relations - Legal - Long term regulatory environment - Share price / ROI When in doubt, err on the side of patriotism. You can never go wrong that way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Holy shit this place has gone to crazy town. I know that we have always had some outliers here but I am amazed at the amount of people that are screaming for the government to take control of a large US company and control the distribution of their products. What if you owned this company? Ask yourself what was the last thing that the government did better than the free market. Everything I have ever seen the government get involved in has turned to shit. What makes you think that this will be any different? I know that people are scared but for fucks sake get a grip. If I owned that company (and I do have ownership stake in a corporation) everything we did at all times BUT ESPECIALLY DURING A NATIONAL EMERGENCY would pass through the filter of the "AMERICA FIRST" principle. Does this decision/action cause harm or is in some way detrimental to the United States? If the answer is yes it's a bad decision or it's an unacceptable course of action. It's not the only consideration, it's one of thousands of factors one must weigh when making business decisions, but it's a critically important one. Having said that 3M (or its distributors) move to drop existing US orders for foreign high bidders was also a terrible decision from a variety of other considerations: - Ethics - Public Relations - Government Relations - Legal - Long term regulatory environment - Share price / ROI When in doubt, err on the side of patriotism. You can never go wrong that way. 3M has employees in 200 countries, factories in 37, and labs in 36. Perhaps "Murica first" isn't their best business plan when they are a global company. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:49:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The "proper" way, within existing emergency authorities, to handle this is to make the federal government the lead buyer and control distribution, and for orders to come to them. DOD is best equipped for this. There should be National Guard medical supply liaisons in every region/tracking and reporting supply numbers. The government contracts with 3M, the government sets the price. 3M delivers. 3M can and will still contract with other buyers. This is how we do military procurement (minus the authority to set the price and force the contract). There are more than enough of these products to go around. We just need to get our hands around the problem, properly prioritize distribution based on current stockage levels, and stop pitting hospitals and states against each other. The DoD can really get shit done, but we are not the best logistics system in the country. If we leave it to TRANSCOM the masks will still be sitting at Dover waiting on a C-5 until this crisis is over. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:50:34 PM EST
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We have laws that people (read: companies) can approve of or disaprove of. We can't pick and choose. If we Don't approve of those laws we should set up shop somewhere else. 3M has that choice to make. Not all customers are equal.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:51:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless I’m misunderstanding, no, he’s not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think we need to look at pandemics like a plane that’s depressurized if we (the pilots) don’t put on our masks first, no amount of masks will save the pax in back. However, banning all exports and basically seizing production I am very much against. I have been dealing with Companies like 3m and Moldex, it would cost Approx 50 million per factory to set up multiple lines for N95-n100 masks because we priced it out, the government inadvertently just terminated our investment. ETA. Also do any of you fucktards realize where the raw inputs used come from? Answer: From all over the fucking place Quoted: I guess it’s a good thing we don’t have to set up completely new factories then huh? Don’t be so butthurt and emotional just because you can’t profit from the current crisis. You are suggesting that the government sieze production, set the price, and be the only customer, all by force. And then you say it's not Communism. Unless I’m misunderstanding, no, he’s not. I am not sure what your message is but please fix the quote, rather than attributing what someone else said to me. I apparently quoted the wrong person as well when replying, so... it happens. 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:51:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are suggesting that the government sieze production, set the price, and be the only customer, all by force. And then you say it's not Communism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The "proper" way, within existing emergency authorities, to handle this is to make the federal government the lead buyer and control distribution, and for orders to come to them. DOD is best equipped for this. There should be National Guard medical supply liaisons in every region/tracking and reporting supply numbers. The government contracts with 3M, the government sets the price. 3M delivers. 3M can and will still contract with other buyers. This is how we do military procurement (minus the authority to set the price and force the contract). There are more than enough of these products to go around. We just need to get our hands around the problem, properly prioritize distribution based on current stock age levels, and stop pitting hospitals and states against each other. Da Comrade, establish Ceentral Planning Committee, determine quota. We aren't at war, and are narrowing in on 10,000 deaths so far, so why are we already resorting to martial law? The military already has their PPE, because they were willing to pay for priority. What you propose is the nationalization of the entire US healthcare infrastructure so hospitals can buy paper masks at low prices, to stockpile. God our country is so fucking done. This is "shutting off irrigation to make corn drought-tolerant" level retardation, there's simply no going back. I outlined the way this should work if we insist the federal government get involved. If we are going to turn medical supply distribution into an effort requiring federal management, it needs federal management. What I propose is what the law allows for. The government contracting with private business for goods and services put to national needs is not Communism. It's literally the way the U.S. government has functioned since the Continental Congress. Arbitrarily telling a company it can't export any more isn't management, it's adding to the existing chaos, as is trying to dictate all production. You are suggesting that the government sieze production, set the price, and be the only customer, all by force. And then you say it's not Communism. "Contract with" = sieze? GTFO... reading comprehension is not your strong suit. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:52:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That'll surely keep them working extra shifts to produce more. Meh, see how they do if people made every attempt to use ANYONE else's products first before 3M. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:54:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, see how they do if people made every attempt to use ANYONE else's products first before 3M. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That'll surely keep them working extra shifts to produce more. Meh, see how they do if people made every attempt to use ANYONE else's products first before 3M. Go be picky about all of the N95 mask choices on the shelf. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:54:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You got one out of three correct, and the price setting is simply what the law says. You might want to work on reading comprehension. I need to work on quoting the right comment. My response was not meant towards you. Sorry. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:55:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, see how they do if people made every attempt to use ANYONE else's products first before 3M. You know how much stuff 3m makes? So your at the hospital in more normal times, and all the stuff they tape to you is 3m? What do you do then? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:55:57 PM EST
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I’d say there are also “significant humanitarian implications” to helping foreign countries before our own country is safe.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:57:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The DoD can really get shit done, but we are not the best logistics system in the country. If we leave it to TRANSCOM the masks will still be sitting at Dover waiting on a C-5 until this crisis is over. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The "proper" way, within existing emergency authorities, to handle this is to make the federal government the lead buyer and control distribution, and for orders to come to them. DOD is best equipped for this. There should be National Guard medical supply liaisons in every region/tracking and reporting supply numbers. The government contracts with 3M, the government sets the price. 3M delivers. 3M can and will still contract with other buyers. This is how we do military procurement (minus the authority to set the price and force the contract). There are more than enough of these products to go around. We just need to get our hands around the problem, properly prioritize distribution based on current stockage levels, and stop pitting hospitals and states against each other. The DoD can really get shit done, but we are not the best logistics system in the country. If we leave it to TRANSCOM the masks will still be sitting at Dover waiting on a C-5 until this crisis is over. I think the existing shipping industry has better tracking and accountability processes. What we don't have is centralized contracting and visibility of where the PPE is. We have hospitals not issuing any while some are sitting on stockpiles. The latter is often out of rational self interest, as they have no way of knowing if they will ever be able to get more. This is a natural response to current market conditions, and there are readily available tools to address this. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 5:59:47 PM EST
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So if that Forbes story posted on page one is correct.
There were 280,000,000 masks in inventory already made. Both State and Federal .gov sat on their hands as far back as January and 3M is the bad guy? Sure 3M could have sat on them waiting for our leaders to make a decision but come on. Really? If anything I don't see 3M as a baddie. Their distributors deserve the scrutiny instead if they bumped orders. More importantly the agencies that are supposed to be on top of supply and inventory for the security of the nation have failed miserably. That is where the blame rests. Flame away. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:01:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I need to work on quoting the right comment. My response was not meant towards you. Sorry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You got one out of three correct, and the price setting is simply what the law says. You might want to work on reading comprehension. I need to work on quoting the right comment. My response was not meant towards you. Sorry. That's not very GD of you. You are supposed to scream something about Doomer, Statist, or what not. For effect, add a deliberate misspelling of "exponential" in a way suggesting the whole idea is absurd. Never admit a mistake, even after 40+ pages of everything you say won't happen, starting to happen before our eyes. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:02:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a war, but the one you see in public and the one behind the scenes is very different. Chime since Mar 31 has gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure that counterfeits are not getting out. They shut down a lot of the rapid tests that weren’t working and mask makers that were embarrassing them. Part of that exchange was the US allowing importation of certain masks from China to alleviate shortages and China assuring us of US priority of supply chain inputs to manufacture various PCR and Rapid Test kits domestically. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The "proper" way, within existing emergency authorities, to handle this is to make the federal government the lead buyer and control distribution, and for orders to come to them. DOD is best equipped for this. There should be National Guard medical supply liaisons in every region/tracking and reporting supply numbers. The government contracts with 3M, the government sets the price. 3M delivers. 3M can and will still contract with other buyers. This is how we do military procurement (minus the authority to set the price and force the contract). There are more than enough of these products to go around. We just need to get our hands around the problem, properly prioritize distribution based on current stock age levels, and stop pitting hospitals and states against each other. Da Comrade, establish Ceentral Planning Committee, determine quota. We aren't at war, and are narrowing in on 10,000 deaths so far, so why are we already resorting to martial law? The military already has their PPE, because they were willing to pay for priority. What you propose is the nationalization of the entire US healthcare infrastructure so hospitals can buy paper masks at low prices, to stockpile. God our country is so fucking done. This is "shutting off irrigation to make corn drought-tolerant" level retardation, there's simply no going back. The current socioeconomic war we find ourselves embroiled in has less to do with numbers of deaths and more to do with, wait for it, socioeconomic policies and posturing of a hostile foreign nation, China. Thankfully it seems the Trump administration understands this and isn’t taking advice from GD “experts”. China is trying to hang us about the neck until dead and you guys are trying to sell them the rope. Experts, indeed lol. There is a war, but the one you see in public and the one behind the scenes is very different. Chime since Mar 31 has gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure that counterfeits are not getting out. They shut down a lot of the rapid tests that weren’t working and mask makers that were embarrassing them. Part of that exchange was the US allowing importation of certain masks from China to alleviate shortages and China assuring us of US priority of supply chain inputs to manufacture various PCR and Rapid Test kits domestically. The orange, that’s exactly right. Were you aware that beginning, at least, in December of last year China began using their minions to buy up supplies worldwide? From the individual all the way up to very large companies? Masks, gloves, acetaminophen, hand sanitizer and thermometers? We’re you aware that up to 75% of the masks China is currently exporting are defective? We’re you aware that when this began we gave China 14.7 tonnes of PPE, which they then used to send to different countries worldwide along with HCW in order to appear as a benevolent nation and buy positive press? Were you aware there was a worldwide propaganda effort currently underway with many in our own corporate media assisting them? We’re definitely engaged in conflict, war, attrition, whatever you wish to call it, and the last people in the world I’d trust to tell truth about any of this would be the Chinese, especially when they’re responsible for not only the spread of the disease, but also the political and economic hostilities. I could go on and on, but I have stuff to do. What I do find ironic, if not funny, is that you’re railing against communism, but are willing to take their statements at face value, as if they’ve ever told the truth, and are angry your potential partnership with them has tanked. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:02:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, you could fit all of Canada's military personnel and their equipment on Nellis AFB.. and still have room leftover Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Prime Justin Trudeau said it would be "a mistake" to create blockages that reduce the flow of essential goods, including medical supplies, across the border, noting that many Canadian healthcare professionals go to work in Detroit every day. Asked whether Canada would retaliate if the U.S. blockade goes ahead, Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said Ottawa would "do whatever it takes to defend the national interest."  Reuters LOL, you could fit all of Canada's military personnel and their equipment on Nellis AFB.. and still have room leftover You could fit their entire Naval fleet into San Diego bay easily, and not impede navigation one bit. Canada has the most coastline than any nation on this planet, by far. It's fleet is incapable of defending even 5% of it to the point it's comical. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:17:46 PM EST
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And I watched that happen repeatedly throughout the day. Buyers from state procurement departments and hospital systems expressed desperate need for masks, but the deals bogged down when it came to providing proof that they could commit and follow through. In the meantime, another buyer provided proof of funds and the masks were gone, sometimes within the hour.
Money talks and bullshit walks. Where does the blame lay again? I'll concede if the article is not correct but .gov is really trying to deflect on their collective failure. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:21:27 PM EST
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Well, sad to see that the cries of Fascism from the left are coming true.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:30:03 PM EST
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3M was #64 in Global Brand strength last year (Brand Value ~$10 Billion)
https://www.interbrand.com/best-brands/best-global-brands/2019/ranking/3m/ They shot that to shit.  |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:35:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the pilots dont owe you a safe landing. or oxygen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think we need to look at pandemics like a plane that’s depressurized if we (the pilots) don’t put on our masks first, no amount of masks will save the pax in back. However, banning all exports and basically seizing production I am very much against. I have been dealing with Companies like 3m and Moldex, it would cost Approx 50 million per factory to set up multiple lines for N95-n100 masks because we priced it out, the government inadvertently just terminated our investment. ETA. Also do any of you fucktards realize where the raw inputs used come from? Answer: From all over the fucking place the pilots dont owe you a safe landing. or oxygen. That’s just fucking stupid |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:35:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless I’m misunderstanding, no, he’s not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think we need to look at pandemics like a plane that’s depressurized if we (the pilots) don’t put on our masks first, no amount of masks will save the pax in back. However, banning all exports and basically seizing production I am very much against. I have been dealing with Companies like 3m and Moldex, it would cost Approx 50 million per factory to set up multiple lines for N95-n100 masks because we priced it out, the government inadvertently just terminated our investment. ETA. Also do any of you fucktards realize where the raw inputs used come from? Answer: From all over the fucking place Quoted: I guess it’s a good thing we don’t have to set up completely new factories then huh? Don’t be so butthurt and emotional just because you can’t profit from the current crisis. You are suggesting that the government sieze production, set the price, and be the only customer, all by force. And then you say it's not Communism. Unless I’m misunderstanding, no, he’s not. We cancelled building a new factory for this to be clear. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:38:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The orange, that’s exactly right. Were you aware that beginning, at least, in December of last year China began using their minions to buy up supplies worldwide? From the individual all the way up to very large companies? Masks, gloves, acetaminophen, hand sanitizer and thermometers? We’re you aware that up to 75% of the masks China is currently exporting are defective? We’re you aware that when this began we gave China 14.7 tonnes of PPE, which they then used to send to different countries worldwide along with HCW in order to appear as a benevolent nation and buy positive press? Were you aware there was a worldwide propaganda effort currently underway with many in our own corporate media assisting them? We’re definitely engaged in conflict, war, attrition, whatever you wish to call it, and the last people in the world I’d trust to tell truth about any of this would be the Chinese, especially when they’re responsible for not only the spread of the disease, but also the political and economic hostilities. I could go on and on, but I have stuff to do. What I do find ironic, if not funny, is that you’re railing against communism, but are willing to take their statements at face value, as if they’ve ever told the truth, and are angry your potential partnership with them has tanked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The "proper" way, within existing emergency authorities, to handle this is to make the federal government the lead buyer and control distribution, and for orders to come to them. DOD is best equipped for this. There should be National Guard medical supply liaisons in every region/tracking and reporting supply numbers. The government contracts with 3M, the government sets the price. 3M delivers. 3M can and will still contract with other buyers. This is how we do military procurement (minus the authority to set the price and force the contract). There are more than enough of these products to go around. We just need to get our hands around the problem, properly prioritize distribution based on current stock age levels, and stop pitting hospitals and states against each other. Da Comrade, establish Ceentral Planning Committee, determine quota. We aren't at war, and are narrowing in on 10,000 deaths so far, so why are we already resorting to martial law? The military already has their PPE, because they were willing to pay for priority. What you propose is the nationalization of the entire US healthcare infrastructure so hospitals can buy paper masks at low prices, to stockpile. God our country is so fucking done. This is "shutting off irrigation to make corn drought-tolerant" level retardation, there's simply no going back. The current socioeconomic war we find ourselves embroiled in has less to do with numbers of deaths and more to do with, wait for it, socioeconomic policies and posturing of a hostile foreign nation, China. Thankfully it seems the Trump administration understands this and isn’t taking advice from GD “experts”. China is trying to hang us about the neck until dead and you guys are trying to sell them the rope. Experts, indeed lol. There is a war, but the one you see in public and the one behind the scenes is very different. Chime since Mar 31 has gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure that counterfeits are not getting out. They shut down a lot of the rapid tests that weren’t working and mask makers that were embarrassing them. Part of that exchange was the US allowing importation of certain masks from China to alleviate shortages and China assuring us of US priority of supply chain inputs to manufacture various PCR and Rapid Test kits domestically. The orange, that’s exactly right. Were you aware that beginning, at least, in December of last year China began using their minions to buy up supplies worldwide? From the individual all the way up to very large companies? Masks, gloves, acetaminophen, hand sanitizer and thermometers? We’re you aware that up to 75% of the masks China is currently exporting are defective? We’re you aware that when this began we gave China 14.7 tonnes of PPE, which they then used to send to different countries worldwide along with HCW in order to appear as a benevolent nation and buy positive press? Were you aware there was a worldwide propaganda effort currently underway with many in our own corporate media assisting them? We’re definitely engaged in conflict, war, attrition, whatever you wish to call it, and the last people in the world I’d trust to tell truth about any of this would be the Chinese, especially when they’re responsible for not only the spread of the disease, but also the political and economic hostilities. I could go on and on, but I have stuff to do. What I do find ironic, if not funny, is that you’re railing against communism, but are willing to take their statements at face value, as if they’ve ever told the truth, and are angry your potential partnership with them has tanked. I’m not guessing we are directly involved in the negotiations, i have posted the kits and some of the other stuff I manufacture here. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:38:51 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wanna see Trump stuff it in, then break it off in 3M's Commie asshole.  3m is commie because they are not participating in government mandated production? Think that statement may be a little backwards. I mean fuck 3m because they won't follow obligations for paying customers, but not for this particular thing. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:39:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The orange, that’s exactly right. Were you aware that beginning, at least, in December of last year China began using their minions to buy up supplies worldwide? From the individual all the way up to very large companies? Masks, gloves, acetaminophen, hand sanitizer and thermometers? We’re you aware that up to 75% of the masks China is currently exporting are defective? We’re you aware that when this began we gave China 14.7 tonnes of PPE, which they then used to send to different countries worldwide along with HCW in order to appear as a benevolent nation and buy positive press? Were you aware there was a worldwide propaganda effort currently underway with many in our own corporate media assisting them? We’re definitely engaged in conflict, war, attrition, whatever you wish to call it, and the last people in the world I’d trust to tell truth about any of this would be the Chinese, especially when they’re responsible for not only the spread of the disease, but also the political and economic hostilities. I could go on and on, but I have stuff to do. What I do find ironic, if not funny, is that you’re railing against communism, but are willing to take their statements at face value, as if they’ve ever told the truth, and are angry your potential partnership with them has tanked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The "proper" way, within existing emergency authorities, to handle this is to make the federal government the lead buyer and control distribution, and for orders to come to them. DOD is best equipped for this. There should be National Guard medical supply liaisons in every region/tracking and reporting supply numbers. The government contracts with 3M, the government sets the price. 3M delivers. 3M can and will still contract with other buyers. This is how we do military procurement (minus the authority to set the price and force the contract). There are more than enough of these products to go around. We just need to get our hands around the problem, properly prioritize distribution based on current stock age levels, and stop pitting hospitals and states against each other. Da Comrade, establish Ceentral Planning Committee, determine quota. We aren't at war, and are narrowing in on 10,000 deaths so far, so why are we already resorting to martial law? The military already has their PPE, because they were willing to pay for priority. What you propose is the nationalization of the entire US healthcare infrastructure so hospitals can buy paper masks at low prices, to stockpile. God our country is so fucking done. This is "shutting off irrigation to make corn drought-tolerant" level retardation, there's simply no going back. The current socioeconomic war we find ourselves embroiled in has less to do with numbers of deaths and more to do with, wait for it, socioeconomic policies and posturing of a hostile foreign nation, China. Thankfully it seems the Trump administration understands this and isn’t taking advice from GD “experts”. China is trying to hang us about the neck until dead and you guys are trying to sell them the rope. Experts, indeed lol. There is a war, but the one you see in public and the one behind the scenes is very different. Chime since Mar 31 has gone to extraordinary lengths to make sure that counterfeits are not getting out. They shut down a lot of the rapid tests that weren’t working and mask makers that were embarrassing them. Part of that exchange was the US allowing importation of certain masks from China to alleviate shortages and China assuring us of US priority of supply chain inputs to manufacture various PCR and Rapid Test kits domestically. The orange, that’s exactly right. Were you aware that beginning, at least, in December of last year China began using their minions to buy up supplies worldwide? From the individual all the way up to very large companies? Masks, gloves, acetaminophen, hand sanitizer and thermometers? We’re you aware that up to 75% of the masks China is currently exporting are defective? We’re you aware that when this began we gave China 14.7 tonnes of PPE, which they then used to send to different countries worldwide along with HCW in order to appear as a benevolent nation and buy positive press? Were you aware there was a worldwide propaganda effort currently underway with many in our own corporate media assisting them? We’re definitely engaged in conflict, war, attrition, whatever you wish to call it, and the last people in the world I’d trust to tell truth about any of this would be the Chinese, especially when they’re responsible for not only the spread of the disease, but also the political and economic hostilities. I could go on and on, but I have stuff to do. What I do find ironic, if not funny, is that you’re railing against communism, but are willing to take their statements at face value, as if they’ve ever told the truth, and are angry your potential partnership with them has tanked. I’m not guessing we are directly involved in the negotiations, i have posted the kits and some of the other stuff I manufacture here. ETA: PA is the lucky state that starts manufacturing the tests |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:43:39 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And I watched that happen repeatedly throughout the day. Buyers from state procurement departments and hospital systems expressed desperate need for masks, but the deals bogged down when it came to providing proof that they could commit and follow through. In the meantime, another buyer provided proof of funds and the masks were gone, sometimes within the hour. Money talks and bullshit walks. Where does the blame lay again? I'll concede if the article is not correct but .gov is really trying to deflect on their collective failure. When the Florida guy was crying on Tucker about product going to the guy standing outside of the facility holding a briefcase full of money, it hit me. Why the fuck is the Florida guy not holding a briefcase full of money outside of the facility? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:46:10 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think Arfcom quite understands how much we rely on 3M. They are far from replaceable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 3M has just destroyed their brand value. I don’t think Arfcom quite understands how much we rely on 3M. They are far from replaceable. And subject to investigation for unfair business practices/ monopoly-busting. Yeah, they won't be in a good place. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 6:50:16 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When the Florida guy was crying on Tucker about product going to the guy standing outside of the facility holding a briefcase full of money, it hit me. Why the fuck is the Florida guy not holding a briefcase full of money outside of the facility? Proof of funds is pretty standard in the business world. Hell even for buying a house. But 3M is the baddie because the paid professionals "looking out" for us are as dimwitted as a box of rocks. Complete failure, but well hidden in the chaos they deliberately created. Pretty rich. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:01:03 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny how quickly those on the right have embraced socialism. Prior to this, I had hoped it was only the left  |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:06:50 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remove the word "Trump" from this story, and replace with "Cuomo." How would the responses here change? (Regarding this hypothetical situation above, I am not making a statement, taking a position, or giving an opinion, but merely asking.) This |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:10:03 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or does 3M know their market better than the federal government and is trying to warn them they are making an error? Strong possibility |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:14:16 PM EST
[#37]
Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:18:25 PM EST
[#38]
Poor 3M, such a benevolent employer...
https://www.twincities.com/2020/01/28/3m-to-eliminate-1500-positions-as-part-of-restructuring-plan/ "“We continue to build for the future, including the launch of our new global operating model which represents the next phase of our transformation journey,” he said. “As a result of our actions, we are well positioned to improve our performance, return to growth and deliver a successful 2020.” Spoken like a true Meanwhile... "Somalis + Minnesota is made possible in part by the Arts and Cultural Heritage Fund through the vote of Minnesotans on Nov. 4, 2008. Additional support comes from Knight Foundation, 3M, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota." Diversity is our strength St Paul is home to 3M and the largest Somali community in the US. Coincidence? But let's talk about diversity and inclusion. The "upscaling" part is a, well, words juat don't describe it...  How to Attract and Maintain a Diverse Workforce: Advice from 3M's Chief Diversity Officer Obama, Clinton, Franken, klobachur donor  CEO alao supported Klobachur NRA F rated Amy |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:20:57 PM EST
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:21:13 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Proof of funds is pretty standard in the business world. Hell even for buying a house. But 3M is the baddie because the paid professionals "looking out" for us are as dimwitted as a box of rocks. Complete failure, but well hidden in the chaos they deliberately created. Pretty rich. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When the Florida guy was crying on Tucker about product going to the guy standing outside of the facility holding a briefcase full of money, it hit me. Why the fuck is the Florida guy not holding a briefcase full of money outside of the facility? Proof of funds is pretty standard in the business world. Hell even for buying a house. But 3M is the baddie because the paid professionals "looking out" for us are as dimwitted as a box of rocks. Complete failure, but well hidden in the chaos they deliberately created. Pretty rich. I wasn’t aware they didn’t provide proof of funds or payment, I was under the impression they had, can you link a source for that? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:21:18 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His name was 3M. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:22:06 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't decide if it is hypocrisy or just being unprincipled. Guess at the end of the day it doesn't matter. . . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Funny how quickly those on the right have embraced socialism. Prior to this, I had hoped it was only the left Unprincipled like "muh portfolio" > "those old people"? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:32:28 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they really care? Do we have any other choice? So let say I don’t want to buy a 3M mask? What other options are there? If they have the market cornered, even if there is social media blow back, after this is over people will still have to buy 3M masks unless other companies start making them. It’s obvious no one here really understands just how much our nation depends on things 3M builds. Who else can build what they do at the scale and price they do for DoD for starters? No one has the manufacturing capability they nor ChiComs bring to the table due to decades of America CEO’s and politicians selling out the “old Americans”. No one is going to do shit to 3M. United States Government is about to get its shit pushed in globally. Enjoy the quarterly profits share holders! |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:33:45 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think Arfcom quite understands how much we rely on 3M. They are far from replaceable. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:43:34 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s obvious no one here really understands just how much our nation depends on things 3M builds. Who else can build what they do at the scale and price they do for DoD for starters? No one has the manufacturing capability they nor ChiComs bring to the table due to decades of America CEO’s and politicians selling out the “old Americans”. No one is going to do shit to 3M. United States Government is about to get its shit pushed in globally. Enjoy the quarterly profits share holders! Sounds like something too big to fail...should be broken up if that's the case. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:46:06 PM EST
[#46]
Quoted: 3M pushes back after Trump orders company to stop exporting N95 masks WASHINGTON Manufacturing giant 3M pushed backed against President Trump in a statement on Friday that suggested it would not comply with a White House order to stop exporting masks to Canada and Latin America. The Trump administration on Thursday invoked the Defense Production Act, compelling 3M to prioritize orders for desperately needed N95 respiratory masks for the US government's national stockpile. The Minnesota-based company, one of the largest manufacturers of the masks, said it was looking forward to implementing the order and had already been going "above and beyond" in recent weeks to churn them out as quickly as possible amid the coronavirus pandemic. But 3M criticized a previously unreported request from the White House that it also stop sending any N95 masks to Latin America and Canada, citing "significant humanitarian implications" given the great need for them in the US and complaints from governors around the country, including New York's Andrew Cuomo, that they wind up in bidding wars for supplies against each other and other countries. "The Administration also requested that 3M cease exporting respirators that we currently manufacture in the United States to the Canadian and Latin American markets," the Friday morning statement read. "There are, however, significant humanitarian implications of ceasing respirator supplies to healthcare workers in Canada and Latin America, where we are a critical supplier of respirators," it continued. The manufacturing company said it feared other countries would retaliate if it stopped exporting masks made in the US, "as some have already done." "If that were to occur, the net number of respirators being made available to the United States would actually decrease. That is the opposite of what we and the Administration, on behalf of the American people, both seek." Well done 3M! |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:52:34 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we really advocating for the government to step in and dictate what a private business can and cannot do? Really guys?  It’s ok. It’s OUR guy that’s doing it. 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:53:54 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wasn’t aware they didn’t provide proof of funds or payment, I was under the impression they had, can you link a source for that? https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2020/03/30/i-spent-a-day-in-the-coronavirus-driven-feeding-frenzy-of-n95-mask-sellers-and-buyers-and-this-is-what-i-learned/#5aef347756d4 @Mike_Deezy |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 7:55:55 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I dont want to look at yours. However if you want to gaze at my meat...I guess thats on you. Not my style..but hey who am I to interfere with your...choices Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck canada  Edit Btw u quoted me b4 I could fix it. Meant for blame canada the 1st time. Swipe to type auto changed it But mines bigger than yours Well I dont want to look at yours. However if you want to gaze at my meat...I guess thats on you. Not my style..but hey who am I to interfere with your...choices Meh you elected a fag so 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 8:09:28 PM EST
[#50]
 Maria grills 3M CEO on exporting lifesaving medical gear overseas Maria Grills 3M CEO! She goes Apeshit on him. |
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