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Posted: 4/10/2021 1:34:48 PM EST
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Quoted: Wife is dead set on getting a 4Runner (new) TRD off road premium Apparently the dealerships can’t keep these things on the lots. Zero discounts. Any brands for a similar vehicle actually offering discounts right now? Yeah good luck getting a discount. And no, there basically aren't any similar vehicles in North America. The last real competitor (other than models rebadged as Lexus models) was the Xterra. There just aren't any domestic body on frame SUV's of that particular size with real 4wd that are worth a damn. Your wife isn't an idiot, you should listen to her. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 1:37:09 PM EST
[#2]
There really isnt one....
All tho the Tellurides are nice. Wife wanted one, but the two they had on the lot had already sold.. So she settled for the Seltos. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 1:37:25 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah good luck getting a discount. And no, there basically aren't any similar vehicles in North America. Your wife isn't an idiot, you should listen to her. Depending on what she is after, there are probably a ton of similar vehicles. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 1:37:34 PM EST
[#4]
This is what's selling in my area.
An 08 (sport model with 96K on it) V6 for 21 grand  and it will sell.This particular dealer specializes in 4runners and they have sold many other Gen 4's for a similar price point Would personally prefer a V8 with leather but I'm not going to pay 20 + grand with for a 13 year old Toyota with 150K on it https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ctd/d/kirkland-2008-toyota-4runner-sport/7303441266.html Long story short. 4runners almost appreciate in value |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 1:38:22 PM EST
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Quoted: Certified pre owned lexus gx460 This. Really the only comparable vehicle. And it's better! |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 1:42:19 PM EST
[#6]
Quoted: Wife is dead set on getting a 4Runner (new) TRD off road premium Apparently the dealerships can’t keep these things on the lots. Zero discounts. Any brands for a similar vehicle actually offering discounts right now? As another member posted, you just need to search other dealerships around you. Btw, try contacting the fleet manager or internet manager at a dealership in your community. You probably will be able to get the best deal as they don't involve a salesman. Ask them to search for your model with the features you want and they can easily find what dealerships throughout the US have what you are looking for if they do not have it. Typically, they can arrange a dealership trade. Check out https://www.edmunds.com/ to discover the dealership's cost. When negotiating, start at their cost and ask them what they are willing to sell it as compared to their cost. Do NOT say a number or even "blow or above" their cost. Great deals are when you purchase the vehicle plus or minus $500 of their cost. Ask them to email you their invoice so as you can verify their cost as well. I have been following this method of buying for decades and every year help 5-6 clients with the same method. If the dealership does not have a fleet manager, ask for the general manager. The timing of the above process does NOT matter if you are buying at the end of a model year or not. Dealerships want to move inventory in order to qualify for manufacturing rebates based on volume sales. Plus, they don't want to pay flooring interest on vehicles sitting on their lots. I bought my 2020 4Runner Premium for $400 over their cost back in December 2019 from Groove Toyota in CO. I see they have many 4Runners in stock, including a TRD https://www.groovetoyota.com/searchall.aspx?Make=Toyota&Model=4Runner&Year=2021 We have an Xterra as well and love it. But unfortunately, they are not being made. We did look at Jeeps at one time before deciding upon the 4Runner. If you read Consumer Reports, it gives several reasons to avoid the Jeep. Good luck OP! I hope this helps..... |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 1:44:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depending on what she is after, there are probably a ton of similar vehicles. If she's after a lame SUV-shaped minivan of dubious longevity, then OP should ignore that. See, it points to a 4runner either way. Now if a smaller vehicle was OK and a regular part time 4wd setup wasn't mandatory, I could see CRV, RAV4, or the Trailhawk versions of the Renegade or Cherokee in the running (with the latter two coming with an asterisk pertaining to Chrysler quality - but they're fun vehicles). But for that specific size - Toyota or Lexus. Grand Cherokee, Ford Exploder, or whatever the fuck GM craps out these days aren't worth the headaches + price tag in relation to the features offered. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 1:47:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck no. You know how women are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just because she wants a body on frame SUV? Does she do a good bit of off-road travel? Fuck no. You know how women are. If that's the case, convince her the LE is a better car. She won't have to worry about shifting into and out of 4wd when your roads get slushy. It'll handle better on the pavement, too. I had a '12 LE, now a '19 ORP, and I lived in Maine for five years, so I think I can make a pretty good comparison, considering the winter weather experienced in your neck of the woods. Around here, LEs are only listed about $2-3k more than ORPs. Once you've gotten her out of the mindset of a part-time 4wd body-on-frame SUV, you can steer her towards more reasonable crossover types like a rav4 or highlander. Toyota just revised the projected MPG, again, for the 2021 4Runner - 16 city, 19 highway. The highlander gets almost 2x better highway fuel efficiency at 36 mpg  That said, I drive like a grandma in my ORP and average 20 mpg, but don't expect the average driver to get anywhere near that 
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Posted: 4/10/2021 1:59:37 PM EST
[#9]
Quoted: Wife is dead set on getting a 4Runner (new) TRD off road premium Apparently the dealerships can’t keep these things on the lots. Zero discounts. Any brands for a similar vehicle actually offering discounts right now? Everything is going up and it may never come down, thanks Dems. Have you bought any wood lately? I am about to have my roof replace, the price of the materials is up $2,000 just over last year. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 2:07:44 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's the case, convince her the LE is a better car. She won't have to worry about shifting into and out of 4wd when your roads get slushy. It'll handle better on the pavement, too. I had a '12 LE, now a '19 ORP, and I lived in Maine for five years, so I think I can make a pretty good comparison, considering the winter weather experienced in your neck of the woods. Around here, LEs are only listed about $2-3k more than ORPs. Once you've gotten her out of the mindset of a part-time 4wd body-on-frame SUV, you can steer her towards more reasonable crossover types like a rav4 or highlander. Toyota just revised the projected MPG, again, for the 2021 4Runner - 16 city, 19 highway. The highlander gets almost 2x better highway fuel efficiency at 36 mpg That said, I drive like a grandma in my ORP and average 20 mpg, but don't expect the average driver to get anywhere near that |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 2:18:23 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Really the only comparable vehicle. And it's better! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Certified pre owned lexus gx460 This. Really the only comparable vehicle. And it's better! I think they a not in the same class as the 4Runner It’s a good choice but just not the same. Closer to a landcruiser |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 2:59:33 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Certified pre owned lexus gx460 |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 3:01:27 PM EST
[#13]
Buying a vehicle at this pint in time is not a smart decision.
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Posted: 4/10/2021 4:36:14 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Buying a vehicle at this pint in time is not a smart decision. Yup. I realize that. She also wants to buy a new house "because mortgage interest rates are low", yet the home prices are anywhere from $100K-$200K overpriced, money we'll never recover. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 4:45:50 PM EST
[#15]
For body on frame you're probably looking at Tahoe/Yukon as about the only option.
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Posted: 4/10/2021 4:47:01 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For body on frame you're probably looking at Tahoe/Yukon as about the only option. Do you believe OPs wife wants a 4Runner because it's body-on-frame? |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 4:49:56 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. I realize that. She also wants to buy a new house "because mortgage interest rates are low", yet the home prices are anywhere from $100K-$200K overpriced, money we'll never recover. I'm not sure how the housing market is in your area....BUT... Buy the new house FIRST, then later a vehicle. Especially, IF you will be financing a new vehicle purchase. By buying a new house first, your debt ratio will be lower since there is no new vehicle payment. Thus, you will qualify to buy a more expensive house and afford a higher house payment. If you did the opposite (bought a vehicle first instead of a house), the vehicle payment will hurt you in determining what you can qualify for and afford relating to a house and house payment. Maybe a house is really more of a need, and perhaps the 4Runner is more of a desire or want..... Good luck with your choices! |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:01:14 PM EST
[#18]
Get a new Ford Bronco 4 door
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:13:04 PM EST
[#19]
What about a Sequoia?
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:14:34 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Certified pre owned lexus gx460 This but CPO is silly on such a proven design |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:19:25 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Discounts? On vehicles? In 2021?    |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:22:35 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is pretty public (the GX thing) and the Toyota tax has been applied to them locally. One of the enthusiast used car lots snaps up every clean one they can get their hands on (they have hooks in a few local dealerships and get first dibs on trade ins that are just barely too old or high milage enough to be put back out on the used lot). They buy em, butch them up a bit with TRD wheels, aggressive tires and maybe a roof rack and put them out on the lot at dumb prices. And people snap them up. One of my clients has a fleet of GXes (I think they have 4 in total). Very wealthy people who just use them as daily drivers when they are in town. All are garage kept, dealer serviced and pretty low mile. I told him straight up I will beat trade in when it comes time to turn them over. I'm looking to buy another as a daily for my wife and as an investment. I paid 8 for mine and can probably get 14-15 with work Ive done to it. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:23:47 PM EST
[#23]
Just buy the 4runner she wants.
We bought a new one in 2016. Its now got 65000 troublefree miles on it. I do regular oil/filter changes and thats it. Only wear items ive replaced recently were 4 new tires and brakes on all 4 corners. The wife loves it so much she doesnt even want to trade it for another new one. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:31:07 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, there’s probably no talking her out of it, but a very purpose focused vehicle like a 4Runner is heavily compromised in many areas of day to day use. Of course that doesn’t seem to stop anyone. Care to explain? |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:38:08 PM EST
[#25]
Quoted: Grand Cherokee Trailhawk with a 5.7 is amazing, IMO. Not sure about discounts, though. That’s that 90k rig |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:40:04 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to explain? 4runners don't ride as well as other luxury SUV's, they don't have the same amenities, all sorts of trade offs for buying a very off road capable vehicle |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:42:31 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4runners don't ride as well as other luxury SUV's, they don't have the same amenities, all sorts of trade offs for buying a very off road capable vehicle Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Care to explain? 4runners don't ride as well as other luxury SUV's, they don't have the same amenities, all sorts of trade offs for buying a very off road capable vehicle All of that. Their mileage and power especially sucks compared to other SUVs if you’re not looking exclusively at how they perform off-road, which most buyers almost never use to its potential. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:45:08 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4runners don't ride as well as other luxury SUV's, they don't have the same amenities, all sorts of trade offs for buying a very off road capable vehicle |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:48:29 PM EST
[#29]
Even in normal times you won't get much off on a taco or 4R, they don't get much cheaper used either.
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Posted: 4/10/2021 5:52:15 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Discounts? GX460 - basically a nicer V8 4R. Used typically you can find a little better deals than comparatively used 4Rs  Attached FilePretty much - can recommend. Latest front is wonky and some is dated. but great truck. 4Runner Pro def looks legit tho an mileage ain't any better |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:00:51 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All of that. Their mileage and power especially sucks compared to other SUVs if you're not looking exclusively at how they perform off-road, which most buyers almost never use to its potential. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Care to explain? 4runners don't ride as well as other luxury SUV's, they don't have the same amenities, all sorts of trade offs for buying a very off road capable vehicle All of that. Their mileage and power especially sucks compared to other SUVs if you're not looking exclusively at how they perform off-road, which most buyers almost never use to its potential. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:01:33 PM EST
[#32]
This might be older than what OP is looking for, but when did the Highlander change from a body on frame, solid rear axle to what it is now?
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:04:04 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Certified pre owned lexus gx460 That’s what I just got. 2018 with 22k miles on the clock. Awesome condition, certified pre owned. Still paid a pretty penny but it should last quite a while. Only complaint so far is mpg but I knew that getting in. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:04:37 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This might be older than what OP is looking for, but when did the Highlander change from a body on frame, solid rear axle to what it is now? Around 2002, when it was a 4Runner trim.
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:10:19 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got like 1300 off MSRP on a 2021 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/9P8A0366_JPG-1879752.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/A0421C7E-724E-4A5B-8877-07FA3D391E9B-1871398.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Discounts? On vehicles? In 2021? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/9P8A0366_JPG-1879752.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/A0421C7E-724E-4A5B-8877-07FA3D391E9B-1871398.jpg Unless you bought in the last month or maybe two, not super comparable to right now. The shortages in all things vehicular only just recently kicked in. A great vehicle nonetheless! I have a ‘15 TRD Pro. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:10:47 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you bought in the last month or maybe two, not super comparable to right now. The shortages in all things vehicular only just recently kicked in. A great vehicle nonetheless! I have a '15 TRD Pro. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Discounts? On vehicles? In 2021? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/9P8A0366_JPG-1879752.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/A0421C7E-724E-4A5B-8877-07FA3D391E9B-1871398.jpg Unless you bought in the last month or maybe two, not super comparable to right now. The shortages in all things vehicular only just recently kicked in. A great vehicle nonetheless! I have a '15 TRD Pro. Heres one from a quick search of dealers somewhat in my area https://www.spitzertoyota.com/vehicle/new-2021-toyota-4runner-trd-off-road-premium-4-0l-v6-smpi-dohc-jteru5jr2m5905625/ |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:15:12 PM EST
[#37]
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:19:26 PM EST
[#38]
Expand your dealership search. You'll find one. Although if you aren't taking it off road and wont be towing, I'd look into the Rav4. Nearly double the gas mileage.
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:23:10 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All good points. I only skimmed the thread so maybe this has already been answered, but - has she driven the 4runner? It is kind of cheap and utilitarian feeling IMO (although I haven't driven the higher trim levels like TRD Pro). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 4runners don't ride as well as other luxury SUV's, they don't have the same amenities, all sorts of trade offs for buying a very off road capable vehicle I will say outside of all the "impractical" attributes mentioned above, the most redeeming quality of a 4runner isn't that it's off road capable. It's that it basically appreciates or holds its value at an almost unprecedented rate compared to other SUV's. Which makes it a smart buy regardless of what your intent is Just my .02 |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:28:35 PM EST
[#40]
Quoted: Wife is dead set on getting a 4Runner (new) TRD off road premium Apparently the dealerships can’t keep these things on the lots. Zero discounts. Any brands for a similar vehicle actually offering discounts right now? Bought the same 4Runner for the wife last October. Best I could get out of the dealership was TRD SEMA wheels and tires at cost. IMO, an SR5 is money better spent. I don’t se the value in the ORP. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:29:34 PM EST
[#41]
This is probably the last year to get an old school 4Runner. Next model year they will probably fuck them up like they did the Tacoma redesign. Minivan engines and shitty transmissions.
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:32:44 PM EST
[#42]
GV80...it's what the 4runner wants to be when it grows up
 
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:35:21 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GV80...it's what the 4runner wants to be when it grows up https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2021-genesis-gv80-2p5t-awd-prestige-310-1611618886.jpg?crop=0.663xw:0.496xh;0.0545xw,0.470xh&resize=1200:* https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2020/01/2021-Genesis-GV80-Full-Size-Luxury-SUV-Exterior-Front-View-Interior-Seats-and-Dashboard.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:40:30 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you bought in the last month or maybe two, not super comparable to right now. The shortages in all things vehicular only just recently kicked in. A great vehicle nonetheless! I have a ‘15 TRD Pro. Just bought our 21 Limited Nightshade yesterday. Like I said previously we got $2500 off MSRP. There are vehicles out there and deals to be had but you might have to drive to get them. In my case I had to go 120 miles away. |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:48:19 PM EST
[#45]
Jeep?
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Posted: 4/10/2021 6:49:58 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GV80...it's what the 4runner wants to be when it grows up https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2021-genesis-gv80-2p5t-awd-prestige-310-1611618886.jpg?crop=0.663xw:0.496xh;0.0545xw,0.470xh&resize=1200:* https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2020/01/2021-Genesis-GV80-Full-Size-Luxury-SUV-Exterior-Front-View-Interior-Seats-and-Dashboard.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/deOINby-52.gif I'd agree with you but we'd both be wrong |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 7:00:42 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd agree with you but we'd both be wrong GV80 MSRP is higher than a 4runner and it'll be worth $15k in 3 years.... |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 7:00:57 PM EST
[#48]
Try a sequoia?
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Posted: 4/10/2021 7:03:10 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a Pathfinder and it’s a piece of shit. I don’t recommend a Nissan... just my personal experience. Many people love them, not me. This is the TRUTH |
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Posted: 4/10/2021 7:03:23 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GV80...it's what the 4runner wants to be when it grows up https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2021-genesis-gv80-2p5t-awd-prestige-310-1611618886.jpg?crop=0.663xw:0.496xh;0.0545xw,0.470xh&resize=1200:* https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2020/01/2021-Genesis-GV80-Full-Size-Luxury-SUV-Exterior-Front-View-Interior-Seats-and-Dashboard.jpg Yeah, no. That thing is a fancy car. |
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