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Posted: 12/7/2019 10:02:28 AM EDT
Today marks the unjustified sneak attack that the Imperial Japanese Navy improperly executed, could have been far worse, they shot themselves in the foot twice that day, silly Japan, the world could have been a different place if Japan never attacked us, it could have been a really different place if they never declared war on England France and the Dutch and just stayed in their area poking China, but well we needed to get involved in WW2 anyway, if it wasn't Japan it was probably going to be Germany causing another Lusitania like event.
Here's to the Fallen, May they sleep well ![]() Oh and today is my birthday ![]() |
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Unjustified....
We were pushing them into an economic corner that the either had to loose face according to their culture or fight. They took what was to their belief system the more honorable choice. |
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Unjustified.... We were pushing them into an economic corner that the either had to loose face according to their culture or fight. They took what was to their belief system the more honorable choice. View Quote ![]() I love that we don't play by the same set of rules that the rest of the world does ![]() Strategically though it was really stupid idea. Oh hey guys let's declare war on some of the most powerful Nations on Earth! I would have just stayed in my little corner, I would have put a lot of effort on turning coal into liquid fuel, that could have helped alleviate the oil embargo to some degree at least for the military, would have taken years to get that off the ground though, there is a shit ton of coal in Manchuria and Korea. |
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I'm named after my mother's uncle who was there and survived it.
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![]() Memorial Day 2020 - U.S. Naval Academy Glee Club - U.S.S. Arizona Memorial |
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Japan actually accomplished their stated goal in WWII. They ended European Colonialism in the Far East. Their hidden goal of becoming the dominant colonial power in that part of the world did not work out so well.
My father in law (USMC) was a Pearl Harbor Survivor. My father was on a battleship (USS Washington) stationed on the east coast at the time of the attack. |
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Unjustified by our standards ![]() I love that we don't play by the same set of rules that the rest of the world does ![]() Strategically though it was really stupid idea. Oh hey guys let's declare war on some of the most powerful Nations on Earth! I would have just stayed in my little corner, I would have put a lot of effort on turning coal into liquid fuel, that could have helped alleviate the oil embargo to some degree at least for the military, would have taken years to get that off the ground though, there is a shit ton of coal in Manchuria and Korea. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Unjustified.... We were pushing them into an economic corner that the either had to loose face according to their culture or fight. They took what was to their belief system the more honorable choice. ![]() I love that we don't play by the same set of rules that the rest of the world does ![]() Strategically though it was really stupid idea. Oh hey guys let's declare war on some of the most powerful Nations on Earth! I would have just stayed in my little corner, I would have put a lot of effort on turning coal into liquid fuel, that could have helped alleviate the oil embargo to some degree at least for the military, would have taken years to get that off the ground though, there is a shit ton of coal in Manchuria and Korea. Most of the major European powers were either conquered by or being subjugated by Germany and were in no condition to protect their Asian colonies. They were well underway to building a blue water Navy and 1st nation air force. You can't run it on coal. After being told to basically fuck off after WW 1 they were already in a bad mood. The embargoes just capped it off. |
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Here is my photo of the memorial.
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We had a resident Pearl Harbor survivor that was navy. He passed away last year.
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Quoted: If they had gotten the carriers it would've been a really great idea. Why weren't the carriers in port ? Most of the major European powers were either conquered by or being subjugated by Germany and were in no condition to protect their Asian colonies. They were well underway to building a blue water Navy and 1st nation air force. You can't run it on coal. After being told to basically fuck off after WW 1 they were already in a bad mood. The embargoes just capped it off. View Quote |
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Happy Birthday LP!
Now go buy yourself some shooting's gear. |
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Really great idea? Even if they had gotten the carriers, we were in the process of wiping them off the map in 3.5 years using 10% of our strength. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: If they had gotten the carriers it would've been a really great idea. Why weren't the carriers in port ? Most of the major European powers were either conquered by or being subjugated by Germany and were in no condition to protect their Asian colonies. They were well underway to building a blue water Navy and 1st nation air force. You can't run it on coal. After being told to basically fuck off after WW 1 they were already in a bad mood. The embargoes just capped it off. |
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My mom turned 85 this year. Here is the comment she texted to me this morning:
"12/7. I remember this day in 1941 like it was yesterday." |
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RIP Dad and FIL. Both were Pacific sailors during the war.
My father was CG and drove landing craft during some of the major invasions. He was wounded during a kamikaze attack on his ship. My FIL had the heavy cruiser Astoria shot from under him at the Battle of Savo Island. She took an estimated 65 hits from the Japanese before she went down. ![]() |
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RIP Dad and FIL. Both were Pacific sailors during the war. My father was CG and drove landing craft during some of the major invasions. He was wounded during a kamikaze attack on his ship. My FIL had the heavy cruiser Astoria shot from under him at the Battle of Savo Island. She took an estimated 65 hits from the Japanese before she went down. ![]() View Quote ![]() |
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I have the honor today of displaying some of my ww2 items at my state museum for their 12/7 event
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Today marks the unjustified sneak attack that the Imperial Japanese Navy improperly executed, could have been far worse, they shot themselves in the foot twice that day, silly Japan, the world could have been a different place if Japan never attacked us, it could have been a really different place if they never declared war on England France and the Dutch and just stayed in their area poking China, but well we needed to get involved in WW2 anyway, if it wasn't Japan it was probably going to be Germany causing another Lusitania like event. Oh and today is my birthday ![]() Here's to the Fallen, May they sleep well ![]() View Quote You nailed it. Totally unjustified. Also happy birthday from a fellow 12/07-er ![]() |
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That is complete bullshit. We went over this a couple of weeks ago. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Today marks the unjustified sneak attack that the Imperial Japanese Navy improperly executed, could have been far worse, they shot themselves in the foot twice that day, silly Japan, the world could have been a different place if Japan never attacked us, it could have been a really different place if they never declared war on England France and the Dutch and just stayed in their area poking China, but well we needed to get involved in WW2 anyway, if it wasn't Japan it was probably going to be Germany causing another Lusitania like event. Oh and today is my birthday ![]() Here's to the Fallen, May they sleep well ![]() View Quote Had the events of December 7, 1941 not unfolded as they did I would not be here. On 12/7/41 my Father was a machinist at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in N.H. On 12/7/41 my Mother was working in San Francisco in a Salvation Army home for unwed Mothers. Early January of 1942 both of my parents boarded a ship in Long Beach headed for Honolulu. My Dad worked for the Navy in Shop 31 at Pearl as a machinist. My Mom worked as the personal secretary of the Admiral of the Pacific Fleet.... I don't remember his name. She also worked with the Salvation Army in Honolulu. In '42 they met and married in '44. On their Honeymoon they shipped my Dads Harley to Kauai. They got 3 flat tires and had to stuff the tires with seaweed. They both made it home after the war and had 4 kids and lived the American dream. Thanks again LP! |
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It WAS huge mistake, on their part, and Yamamoto told them as much.
It was also a miscalculation on their part. They were led to believe that we didn't have the will to fight and if they hit us hard enough, they believed we would negotiate with them, rather than go to war with them. The American outrage after the attack wasn't what they expected. |
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We were there two days ago. Hawaii is an amazingly peaceful place. Hard to even imagine a forceful argument let alone the violence of a surprise attack.
Most of those young men killed were junior enlisted since they were sleeping aboard the ships or in the barracks. It took the captain of the Pennsylvania an hour to get back aboard. Pearl Harbor itself is smaller than I imagined. The second attacking wave got its ass kicked as our gunners were alert and had found their ranges. A cook shot down 4 and was awarded the Navy Cross. A third wave that would have hit the fuel storage and the water system would have really done a lot of damage. At Hickham field and other locations the buildings still have damage from the attack visible. |
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My great grandfather was CO of Submarine Base Pearl Harbor and Submarine Squadron Four when the attack occurred. In Tora Tora Tora, the officer who jumps on the running board of the staff car, that was him. (During the real attack, not the film.)
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I took this pic while on a helo tour of Oahu. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/76856/arizona_jpg-1186462.JPG View Quote That is where I re-enlisted my first time. I guess that was 1984. As someone already pointed out, those islands are beautiful. The property crime is worse on Oahu, though, than anyplace I've ever been. If you have an idea you want to take a ferry out to the Arizona, it's likely your rental car will be burglarized while you're out there. |
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It WAS huge mistake, on their part, and Yamamoto told them as much. It was also a miscalculation on their part. They were led to believe that we didn't have the will to fight and if they hit us hard enough, they believed we would negotiate with them, rather than go to war with them. The American outrage after the attack wasn't what they expected. View Quote |
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Wow. That is a really good photo. That is where I re-enlisted my first time. I guess that was 1984. As someone already pointed out, those islands are beautiful. The property crime is worse on Oahu, though, than anyplace I've ever been. If you have an idea you want to take a ferry out to the Arizona, it's likely your rental car will be burglarized while you're out there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I took this pic while on a helo tour of Oahu. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/76856/arizona_jpg-1186462.JPG That is where I re-enlisted my first time. I guess that was 1984. As someone already pointed out, those islands are beautiful. The property crime is worse on Oahu, though, than anyplace I've ever been. If you have an idea you want to take a ferry out to the Arizona, it's likely your rental car will be burglarized while you're out there. |
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I greatly prefer this photo: ![]() https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2015/8/5/4505944177b14e7a9b3cd0befed9d4bf_6.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If they had gotten the carriers it would've been a really great idea. Why weren't the carriers in port ? They were well underway to building a blue water Navy and 1st nation air force. You can't run it on coal. After being told to basically fuck off after WW 1 they were already in a bad mood. The embargoes just capped it off. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Unjustified.... We were pushing them into an economic corner that the either had to loose face according to their culture or fight. They took what was to their belief system the more honorable choice. ![]() I love that we don't play by the same set of rules that the rest of the world does ![]() Strategically though it was really stupid idea. Oh hey guys let's declare war on some of the most powerful Nations on Earth! I would have just stayed in my little corner, I would have put a lot of effort on turning coal into liquid fuel, that could have helped alleviate the oil embargo to some degree at least for the military, would have taken years to get that off the ground though, there is a shit ton of coal in Manchuria and Korea. They were well underway to building a blue water Navy and 1st nation air force. You can't run it on coal. After being told to basically fuck off after WW 1 they were already in a bad mood. The embargoes just capped it off. ![]() |
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