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Posted: 8/28/2024 2:50:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: Interesting that the ApexUltra costs that much more. Paying for a name? I would think as a low alloy steel, it should be cheaper. Maybe a bit more expensive for low production quantity, but 4 times as much? Did they slide some vanadium or unobtanium in there? Very low quantity batches is the best I can figure. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 3:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Here we go again; more damn rules! First pineapple, now I can't have gin.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By conndcj: Certainly is. Now given the proclivity of some guys here being very set in their ways, I'm a bit worried mentioning this but G&T season ends on Labor Day. Hey, I don't make the rules, I just follow them. First pineapple, now I can't have gin. You can have pineapple. You can have gin. You should not put pineapple on pizza. Apparently you should not have gin and tonics (nor wear white) after labor day. Switch to vodka. Problem solved. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:08:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaxxII: You can have pineapple. You can have gin. You should not put pineapple on pizza. Apparently you should not have gin and tonics (nor wear white) after labor day. Switch to vodka. Problem solved. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaxxII: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By conndcj: Certainly is. Now given the proclivity of some guys here being very set in their ways, I'm a bit worried mentioning this but G&T season ends on Labor Day. Hey, I don't make the rules, I just follow them. First pineapple, now I can't have gin. You can have pineapple. You can have gin. You should not put pineapple on pizza. Apparently you should not have gin and tonics (nor wear white) after labor day. Switch to vodka. Problem solved. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:18:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaxxII:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHtEYaVzS_EThis happened here in StL. First 4:25 is press release stuff and mugshots showing he lived. 4:26 is where the excitement begins. Just watched your video. What I saw was a different agency and smooshee. I’ll see if I can find it. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:20:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Reubjames: Caines makes a tasty chicken strip. Disagree. Tasted very bland and I don’t understand the hype. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:20:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaxxII: You can have pineapple. You can have gin. You should not put pineapple on pizza. Apparently you should not have gin and tonics (nor wear white) after labor day. Switch to vodka. Problem solved. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:21:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: Yeah, it's interesting that the ApexUltra is a stand out in it's category though, on paper at least. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: Originally Posted By rbb2: I haven't read up much on ApexUltra yet, just glanced at the charts on knifesteelnerds. From that it looks like a good steel for EDC folders and small fixed blades, but doesn't appear to have the toughness for heavier duty work that large blades would be expected to take on. That appears to be acceptable to the designers, who it sounds like were more focused on increased edge retention. At a glance it looks like they were able to improve edge retention by 33%-50% over other high hardness simple steels (65+ Rc) while keeping toughness roughly comparable (if not a bit better at the upper hardness range), but still no comparison to the super tough steels. Yeah, it's interesting that the ApexUltra is a stand out in it's category though, on paper at least. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: The toast they serve with the chicken Also bland and tasteless |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:23:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: Also, if we are just talking favorites, S90V and |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:24:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Day early. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218303/IMG_2193_jpeg-3307177.JPG Open it! Open it! Open it! Pics! Pics! |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:25:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: OKOKOK I was chatting with a dude last night and he drops this bomb on me. I mean, why not make me pick one kind of soft and one kind of hard cheese why dontcha?! And of course the real answer is, it doesn't matter for most people most of the time. But, we have this wonderful variety because different steels do different things better. So many questions coming to mind. Are there any limitations? Are there any special considerations? What type of outdoor use? General camp? General utility? Fishing? Hunting? The outdoors is a big place. Nevertheless, we shall endeavor to address this in a vacuum. a wise and handsome gentleman, we'll call him Kuraki, once told me 3V is the only steel you need. You can vary the heat treat to give it the different qualities you need for most any scenario and it is tough as hell for minimal edge deformation so you can strop it back quick. I think we can find a little more breadth than that though. sure, there are lots of other flavors out there, it's fun to discuss the new hotness, but what is ideal for a knife you will be using? chips are bad, very very bad, so toughness has a special place. you don't want to be sharpening all the time, so it should have good edge retention, but on the other hand, if it is easier to sharpen, you can give up a bit on the edge retention. yes yes, diamonds make sharpening many steels easier, but some steels are still easier than others. this may surprise some people, but I am not going to talk about how fucking bad S30V is. The follow up to S30V though, S35VN is a solid place to start. Good corrosion resistance, easy to sharpen, good toughness, decent edge retention. Good all around steel. Similar to Elmax. That being said, I have never really had any issue with M390. Holds a great edge. Little tougher to sharpen, not bad. I've never had any chip on me. Does it beat out S35VN? Maybe not for a general outdoor knife. Don't see too many outdoor knives in M390. And what about Magnacut? still too new to tell for me. On paper it seems great. Not enough real world experience yet. I gotta stick with S35VN/Elmax/XHP/CPM154 (they are all right about the same mix of qualities) for the stainless one. M390 has been good to me, but in theory it would be more likely to chip and for outdoor use, all the more likely. As for carbon steel, jeez. Seems like there has been an explosion of options in the last decade. M4 is the obvious answer landing right in the middle of the charts for a mix of toughness and edge retention. I did like it, but I did not have good luck with corrosion resistance. Sure, it is a tool steel, but M4 rusted for me just looking at it. 80crv2 has good toughness, 52100 has a bit better edge retention, but neither will be as good at edge retention as the high alloy tool steels. ApexUltra looks promising in the low alloy steels, but not enough exposure yet. So looking at the middle ground for toughness and edge retention, K390. I have not had a large sample set for K390, but what I have had has done well. There may be others here that differ in opinion, and while I welcome your thoughts, let's just get this out of the way now, you are wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: OKOKOK I was chatting with a dude last night and he drops this bomb on me. If you had to pick one carbon steel and one stainless steel for an outdoor use fixed blade, what would they be? I mean, why not make me pick one kind of soft and one kind of hard cheese why dontcha?! And of course the real answer is, it doesn't matter for most people most of the time. But, we have this wonderful variety because different steels do different things better. So many questions coming to mind. Are there any limitations? Are there any special considerations? What type of outdoor use? General camp? General utility? Fishing? Hunting? The outdoors is a big place. Nevertheless, we shall endeavor to address this in a vacuum. a wise and handsome gentleman, we'll call him Kuraki, once told me 3V is the only steel you need. You can vary the heat treat to give it the different qualities you need for most any scenario and it is tough as hell for minimal edge deformation so you can strop it back quick. I think we can find a little more breadth than that though. sure, there are lots of other flavors out there, it's fun to discuss the new hotness, but what is ideal for a knife you will be using? chips are bad, very very bad, so toughness has a special place. you don't want to be sharpening all the time, so it should have good edge retention, but on the other hand, if it is easier to sharpen, you can give up a bit on the edge retention. yes yes, diamonds make sharpening many steels easier, but some steels are still easier than others. this may surprise some people, but I am not going to talk about how fucking bad S30V is. The follow up to S30V though, S35VN is a solid place to start. Good corrosion resistance, easy to sharpen, good toughness, decent edge retention. Good all around steel. Similar to Elmax. That being said, I have never really had any issue with M390. Holds a great edge. Little tougher to sharpen, not bad. I've never had any chip on me. Does it beat out S35VN? Maybe not for a general outdoor knife. Don't see too many outdoor knives in M390. And what about Magnacut? still too new to tell for me. On paper it seems great. Not enough real world experience yet. I gotta stick with S35VN/Elmax/XHP/CPM154 (they are all right about the same mix of qualities) for the stainless one. M390 has been good to me, but in theory it would be more likely to chip and for outdoor use, all the more likely. As for carbon steel, jeez. Seems like there has been an explosion of options in the last decade. M4 is the obvious answer landing right in the middle of the charts for a mix of toughness and edge retention. I did like it, but I did not have good luck with corrosion resistance. Sure, it is a tool steel, but M4 rusted for me just looking at it. 80crv2 has good toughness, 52100 has a bit better edge retention, but neither will be as good at edge retention as the high alloy tool steels. ApexUltra looks promising in the low alloy steels, but not enough exposure yet. So looking at the middle ground for toughness and edge retention, K390. I have not had a large sample set for K390, but what I have had has done well. There may be others here that differ in opinion, and while I welcome your thoughts, let's just get this out of the way now, you are wrong. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:25:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Day early. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218303/IMG_2193_jpeg-3307177.JPG And??? |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:26:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 80085: Disagree. Tasted very bland and I don’t understand the hype. Maybe you got a bad one? I've been pretty happy with them. Now they don't compare to some quality bone-in traditional southern fried chicken, but for fast food, I'd choose Caines over many other options. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:33:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2024 4:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By williedikker72: Sebenza hanging with a couple German friends... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48347/20240828_160410_jpg-3307186.JPG |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:00:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: Yeah, but that is because everything else in that category flat out sucks. If you plot it on the high alloy & high speed it gets its ass kicked solidly. that is subjective |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:01:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: Magnacut & Vanadis you don't even own a knife in either, you are just looking at charts |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:02:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: and the mushroom stands alone |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: Sweet! I do like the old avatar being back |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:15:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Reubjames: Caines makes a tasty chicken strip. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Reubjames: Caines makes a tasty chicken strip. Two just opened in CT and now Dave's Hot Chicken is coming as well. Popeye's rules but I'm willing to try. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:17:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sywagon: I think the tonic part is the actual issue. Have a martini instead. How is the tonic the issue? He's down south, year-round mosquito's are a thing. Wouldn't want anyone to catch malaria just to abide by Northern Social Customs. Originally Posted By secretwheelman: I'm not much of a gin man either, so I won't have to swap. We're already on the vodka. Problem solved! |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:20:54 PM EDT
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Here ya go. On the last screenshot, you just need the last six lines.
  
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:22:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Day early. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218303/IMG_2193_jpeg-3307177.JPG Originally Posted By MrSig239: Open it! Open it! Open it! Pics! Pics! Originally Posted By 80085: And??? The suspense is killing US!!! |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:22:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrSig239: Open it! Open it! Open it! Pics! Pics! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrSig239: Open it! Open it! Open it! Pics! Pics! Originally Posted By 80085: And???  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:23:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaxxII: You can have pineapple. You can have gin. You should not put pineapple on pizza. Apparently you should not have gin and tonics (nor wear white) after labor day. Switch to vodka. Problem solved. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaxxII: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By conndcj: Certainly is. Now given the proclivity of some guys here being very set in their ways, I'm a bit worried mentioning this but G&T season ends on Labor Day. Hey, I don't make the rules, I just follow them. First pineapple, now I can't have gin. You can have pineapple. You can have gin. You should not put pineapple on pizza. Apparently you should not have gin and tonics (nor wear white) after labor day. Switch to vodka. Problem solved. Excellent! My only quibble is that seersucker and bucks should also be left in the closet. But those usually aren't an issue up here except for yacht clubs. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:24:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: I think the tonic part is the actual issue. Have a martini instead. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: Originally Posted By MaxxII: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By conndcj: Certainly is. Now given the proclivity of some guys here being very set in their ways, I'm a bit worried mentioning this but G&T season ends on Labor Day. Hey, I don't make the rules, I just follow them. First pineapple, now I can't have gin. You can have pineapple. You can have gin. You should not put pineapple on pizza. Apparently you should not have gin and tonics (nor wear white) after labor day. Switch to vodka. Problem solved. Yes, yes, a GIN Martini as God intended. Painfully dry. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:26:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: Magnacut & Vanadis There ya go. Magnacut and Vanadis 4E. I a m admittedly a 3V slut as well. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:27:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By williedikker72: Sebenza hanging with a couple German friends... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48347/20240828_160410_jpg-3307186.JPG Wow. Pure class all around right there. But I subtract one point for that hideous background. 😆 |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:30:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218303/IMG_2195_jpeg-3307231.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By MrSig239: Open it! Open it! Open it! Pics! Pics! Originally Posted By 80085: And??? Jeez. Beautiful Shiro. Kinda glad my new knife isn't here yet. That crushes it.
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:33:45 PM EDT
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i don't like it
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By conndcj: Here ya go. On the last screenshot, you just need the last six lines. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60239/1000002256-3307228.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60239/1000002257-3307229.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60239/1000002258-3307230.jpg austria I'm sold ETA: Reading that reminds me, DFARM, the other thing about A2 is the naturally occurring fine grain structure. is very nice. ETA2: And the middle of that second screen shot, sywagon, is why it is important to not only think about hi speed hi alloy all the time. when the zombie apocalypse comes, you will need the guys that know how to do a heat treat in 50 gallon drum just off the interstate exit. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:36:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By conndcj: Jeez. Beautiful Shiro. Kinda glad my new knife isn't here yet. That crushes it.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:36:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: i don't like it |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:39:13 PM EDT
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ugh, i feel physically sick
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:39:53 PM EDT
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shiro does do good CF treatment though
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:47:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: ugh, i feel physically sick |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:49:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By conndcj: Wow. Pure class all around right there. But I subtract one point for that hideous background. 😆 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By conndcj: Originally Posted By williedikker72: Sebenza hanging with a couple German friends... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48347/20240828_160410_jpg-3307186.JPG Wow. Pure class all around right there. But I subtract one point for that hideous background. 😆 Orange ya going to cut me any slack??? 
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:50:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Probably all that sausage. i had a lovely salad and pb&J for lunch polish at breakfast |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 5:57:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By conndcj: Two just opened in CT and now Dave's Hot Chicken is coming as well. Popeye's rules but I'm willing to try. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By conndcj: Originally Posted By Reubjames: Caines makes a tasty chicken strip. Two just opened in CT and now Dave's Hot Chicken is coming as well. Popeye's rules but I'm willing to try. I love me some Popeye's, but there's only one around here and the service is horrible (even by IL standards). We've never spent less than 20 minutes in the drive-thru, even when we're the only car in line. Last time we went there the entire menu outside didn't have anything in it. Luckily, we knew what we wanted. Had to go inside once to correct an order and I swear the place was on fire, and the cashier and a customer were about to throw hands. I was coming back from some training and stopped at one in a truck stop south of us about an hour. It was filled with smoke too. Service was fast though. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 6:02:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: i had a lovely salad and pb&J for lunch polish at breakfast Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Probably all that sausage. i had a lovely salad and pb&J for lunch polish at breakfast |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 6:08:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Pb&j sounds good right now. something new we are doing for our people. bread, pb, jam, salad greens, salad dressing. thought it would be nice in addition to the snackies we offer. only a few people have gone for it. we will give it a bit more time. also picked up some sample sunglasses to test before giving them to our people for an upcoming event. some wild names. office manager claimed the ones called "Flamingos on a Booze Cruise" already. 
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Posted: 8/28/2024 6:09:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2024 6:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: I love me some Popeye's, but there's only one around here and the service is horrible (even by IL standards). We've never spent less than 20 minutes in the drive-thru, even when we're the only car in line. Last time we went there the entire menu outside didn't have anything in it. Luckily, we knew what we wanted. Had to go inside once to correct an order and I swear the place was on fire, and the cashier and a customer were about to throw hands. I was coming back from some training and stopped at one in a truck stop south of us about an hour. It was filled with smoke too. Service was fast though. pop eyes by my house, won't talk to us through the call box, they tell you to come around to the pick up window, then they ignore you at the pick up window until you leave. go inside? no. doors are locked. rough neighborhood. mcdonalds by our house, the cashiers jump over the counter and attack customers. true story. cops have been out there many times for the same thing, employees attacking customers. you want to go through the drive through at night? Don't bother. just one "manager" on duty, she won't work, and poor jimmy, he could get you something, but the "manager" is insisting that he clean up the kitchen so she can close early. I don't think we have been there in 15 years. this location still shows up regularly in police reports. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 6:27:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: Interesting that the ApexUltra costs that much more. Paying for a name? I would think as a low alloy steel, it should be cheaper. Maybe a bit more expensive for low production quantity, but 4 times as much? Did they slide some vanadium or unobtanium in there? Remember how it was impossible to get MagnaCut when it was first released? Probably the same thing at work here, high demand and production isn't ramped up. And I do think it has a bit of vanadium in it. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 6:29:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 80085: Disagree. Tasted very bland and I don’t understand the hype. I'm with you there. I've only tried it once - it was fine but not anything special IMO. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 6:29:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Day early. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218303/IMG_2193_jpeg-3307177.JPG Noice. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 6:34:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIC: pop eyes by my house, won't talk to us through the call box, they tell you to come around to the pick up window, then they ignore you at the pick up window until you leave. go inside? no. doors are locked. rough neighborhood. mcdonalds by our house, the cashiers jump over the counter and attack customers. true story. cops have been out there many times for the same thing, employees attacking customers. you want to go through the drive through at night? Don't bother. just one "manager" on duty, she won't work, and poor jimmy, he could get you something, but the "manager" is insisting that he clean up the kitchen so she can close early. I don't think we have been there in 15 years. this location still shows up regularly in police reports. What a nice neighborhood you live in. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 6:35:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: It's a looker. And I'm normally not a carbon fiber fan, but this is good. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218303/IMG_2197_jpeg-3307244.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218303/IMG_2196_jpeg-3307245.JPG Sexy. |
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Posted: 8/28/2024 6:36:34 PM EDT
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I haven't posted in a while. How about some different cutting implements.
   
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